Comments on: In Case You Were Insufficiently Depressed About the Job Numbers http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:27:13 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Patrick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1550161 Patrick Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:18:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1550161 # 25 brendal said, "But Obama said the stimulus package is working!" It is, the economy is imploding even faster. Makes it easier to stampede the masses into agreeing with a socialist/communist style of gov't... # 25 brendal said, “But Obama said the stimulus package is working!”

It is, the economy is imploding even faster. Makes it easier to stampede the masses into agreeing with a socialist/communist style of gov’t…

]]> By: brendal http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1550056 brendal Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:51:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1550056 But Obama said the stimulus package is working! But Obama said the stimulus package is working!

]]> By: Patrick http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549751 Patrick Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:29:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549751 Has anyone here seen HARD data on money that has made it through the gov't bureaucracy to actually employ new people in ANY meaningful numbers? Has anyone here seen HARD data on money that has made it through the gov’t bureaucracy to actually employ new people in ANY meaningful numbers?

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549618 ECA Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:01:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549618 22, I know.. But Im in Idaho, and the prices are abit cheaper. $600 is about the starting price to RENT. If you want more then 1-2 rooms. I was commenting to Bryans.. "When food costs represent more than 20% of my income, I’ll have reason to worry." 20% of his income?? He would be needing to be PART TIME, and making MINIMUM WAGE at 20 hours per week. in which case, He couldnt afford a home. When rent and utilities cover 3/4 of your Monthly wages after taxes..something is wrong. 22,
I know..
But Im in Idaho, and the prices are abit cheaper.
$600 is about the starting price to RENT. If you want more then 1-2 rooms.

I was commenting to Bryans..
“When food costs represent more than 20% of my income, I’ll have reason to worry.”

20% of his income?? He would be needing to be PART TIME, and making MINIMUM WAGE at 20 hours per week. in which case, He couldnt afford a home. When rent and utilities cover 3/4 of your Monthly wages after taxes..something is wrong.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549575 GregA Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:22:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549575 #21 Where are you seeing trailers for $600 a month? Even in Michigan $600 a month gets you a plot of land at the long term camp ground with ~1000 watts of electric and fresh water, nothing as nice as a trailer. #21

Where are you seeing trailers for $600 a month? Even in Michigan $600 a month gets you a plot of land at the long term camp ground with ~1000 watts of electric and fresh water, nothing as nice as a trailer.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549569 ECA Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:56:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549569 20% of your income?? you must be bringing in some good money not to be affected. A person bringing home $2000 per month. 30% tax -600=$1400 Rent -600 AT LEAST..=$800 Utilities -200-300=$500 Food single person is about -$150=$350 And you have wages in the $24,000 range. Or about $12 an hour.?? FUll time?? And in the USA the average low income person from bureau of labor and stats makes less then $7-$10 per hour which is over 60% of the USA.. OR $1600 per month? $1600- tax(30%)= $1120 Rent -$600=$520 Utilities -$300=$220 minus food -$150=$70 and food is only <10% of his wages?? The OLD way was that RENT could be 1/4 of your wages. And you could even raise a small family. IF you can find rent at <$600, I hope you like your crappy trailer. 20% of your income??

you must be bringing in some good money not to be affected.
A person bringing home $2000 per month.
30% tax -600=$1400
Rent -600 AT LEAST..=$800
Utilities -200-300=$500
Food single person is about -$150=$350

And you have wages in the $24,000 range. Or about $12 an hour.?? FUll time??

And in the USA the average low income person from bureau of labor and stats makes less then $7-$10 per hour which is over 60% of the USA..
OR $1600 per month?
$1600- tax(30%)= $1120
Rent -$600=$520
Utilities -$300=$220
minus food -$150=$70
and food is only <10% of his wages??

The OLD way was that RENT could be 1/4 of your wages. And you could even raise a small family. IF you can find rent at <$600, I hope you like your crappy trailer.

]]> By: Bryan P. Carney http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549503 Bryan P. Carney Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:44:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549503 #6 I have not seen crushing oil prices nor has my food budget significantly increased. Even on my meager income, I can eat like a king after taking Sunday joy-rides in my Ford. When food costs represent more than 20% of my income, I'll have reason to worry. Bobbo, I hope my responses aren't rude or too snarky. I enjoy reading your opinions and even if I don't agree with some they still are valuable to me. I comment on blogs to get feedback on opinions I am still formulating. Thusly, I have nothing to prove but the inaccuracy of my own words. #6

I have not seen crushing oil prices nor has my food budget significantly increased. Even on my meager income, I can eat like a king after taking Sunday joy-rides in my Ford.

When food costs represent more than 20% of my income, I’ll have reason to worry.

Bobbo, I hope my responses aren’t rude or too snarky. I enjoy reading your opinions and even if I don’t agree with some they still are valuable to me. I comment on blogs to get feedback on opinions I am still formulating. Thusly, I have nothing to prove but the inaccuracy of my own words.

]]> By: AdmFubar http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549501 AdmFubar Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:44:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549501 gang the economy is gonna get worse.., the baby boomers are starting to die. these are just warning shots over the bow. as the boomers pull their retirement money out of the stock market to cover their medical costs things will just get worse. the economy rode the wave of baby boomersto it's peak... that wave is starting to break... gang the economy is gonna get worse.., the baby boomers are starting to die.
these are just warning shots over the bow. as the boomers pull their retirement money out of the stock market to cover their medical costs things will just get worse. the economy rode the wave of baby boomersto it’s peak… that wave is starting to break…

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549485 MikeN Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:13:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549485 18 months ago was 2008. 18 months ago was 2008.

]]> By: GregA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549478 GregA Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:45:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549478 Finally we are nearing total capitualtion and acceptance that the economy is in fact bad, and now it will start to get better. Stockmarket tends to preceed the greater economy by about six months to a year on these matters. Stock market was nearing total capitualtion about 6 months ago. I would call bottom, but I am wrong everytime I do that... Eventually peoples cars, refrigerators and houses will wear out and they will need new ones, and people will spend the money even if they dont want to. As I age I wonder if government spending on make work projects doesn't make these things worse than they have to be. I wonder if the TARP funds would have been better spent just giving people a direct tax credit refund thing. The only thing that the TARP funds have seemed to accomplish is cause the remaining banks to raise their banking fees... Finally we are nearing total capitualtion and acceptance that the economy is in fact bad, and now it will start to get better.

Stockmarket tends to preceed the greater economy by about six months to a year on these matters. Stock market was nearing total capitualtion about 6 months ago.

I would call bottom, but I am wrong everytime I do that…

Eventually peoples cars, refrigerators and houses will wear out and they will need new ones, and people will spend the money even if they dont want to.

As I age I wonder if government spending on make work projects doesn’t make these things worse than they have to be. I wonder if the TARP funds would have been better spent just giving people a direct tax credit refund thing.

The only thing that the TARP funds have seemed to accomplish is cause the remaining banks to raise their banking fees…

]]> By: qb http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549466 qb Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:19:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549466 Neither side (left or right) has won this one. New economic models will emerge from countries where their systems are relatively stable. Neither side (left or right) has won this one. New economic models will emerge from countries where their systems are relatively stable.

]]> By: thecommodore http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549465 thecommodore Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:16:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549465 Don't worry - Windows 7 will lift us out of everything. Has before, right? If it doesn't, THEN I'll switch everything over to Ubuntu, or whatever Linux variant makes managing a domain , well, manageable. If the economy doesn't turn around by then, well, I'll join the polygamists in B.C. You only need two wives as starter seed, right? One will carry the hops and the other the orange seeds - global warming should make growing oranges up there possible, right? If not I'll be able to fall back on beer brewing. Don’t worry – Windows 7 will lift us out of everything. Has before, right?

If it doesn’t, THEN I’ll switch everything over to Ubuntu, or whatever Linux variant makes managing a domain , well, manageable.

If the economy doesn’t turn around by then, well, I’ll join the polygamists in B.C. You only need two wives as starter seed, right? One will carry the hops and the other the orange seeds – global warming should make growing oranges up there possible, right? If not I’ll be able to fall back on beer brewing.

]]> By: lynn http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549457 lynn Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:49:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549457 #10 - "the fact that back then there was only one employed person per household" Pfff. During the Depression, my mom and most of her brothers and sisters left school and got jobs to support the family. Meh. The world didn't end in 1938, 1948 or 1958. Probably won't now, either. If I'm wrong, come see me afterward and I'll give you a dollar. #10 – “the fact that back then there was only one employed person per household”

Pfff. During the Depression, my mom and most of her brothers and sisters left school and got jobs to support the family.

Meh. The world didn’t end in 1938, 1948 or 1958. Probably won’t now, either. If I’m wrong, come see me afterward and I’ll give you a dollar.

]]> By: jbenson2 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549420 jbenson2 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:21:17 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549420 #11 - Also, the Community Redevelopment Act, which encouraged and promoted home loans to people who could not afford them. Don't want to forget Barney Frank or Chris Dodd either. #11 – Also, the Community Redevelopment Act, which encouraged and promoted home loans to people who could not afford them.

Don’t want to forget Barney Frank or Chris Dodd either.

]]> By: RTaylor http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/04/in-case-you-were-insufficiently-depressed-about-the-job-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-1549415 RTaylor Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:17:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=52395#comment-1549415 I made fun of survivalist for years. Now I'm not so sure. The states are cutting the safety nets, consumer confidence is abysmal, and the early rounds of layoffs will run out of unemployment. We are a spoiled nation compared to the hardy folks that weathered the Great Depression. Civil unrest might be closer than we think. Could be time to bring some troops home. I made fun of survivalist for years. Now I’m not so sure. The states are cutting the safety nets, consumer confidence is abysmal, and the early rounds of layoffs will run out of unemployment. We are a spoiled nation compared to the hardy folks that weathered the Great Depression. Civil unrest might be closer than we think. Could be time to bring some troops home.

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