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		<title>By: Jon from Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1553187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon from Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am writing from Ireland and I am a member of Atheist Ireland. My main reason for responding is to correct the comment #8.

GetSmart said that Irish atheists should get preemptive, and claim Christians, Muslims, Scientologists, Buddhists, Hindus etc. etc. are an outrage to Atheists, and should no longer be allowed to voice their superstitious drivel as it is offensive to Atheists.

Unfortunately, this misinterprets the legislation. Only adherents of religions receive protection from &quot;grossly abusive or insulting&quot; publications.

This means that atheists who are, by definition, not adherents to any religion, cannot take action under this law. I belive that the correct term for this law is &quot;sectarian&quot;.

What this means is that, whilst anyone can indeed spout out religious drivel and fantasy based on superstition and unscientific supernaturalism, such as “there is a divine being (god, allah or whatever takes your fancy)”, “we have books that are the word of our god (see above)”, “we have prophets that you must revere as being perfect”, “you shall go to a place called hell and suffer for all eternity”, “the world is only 5,000 years old (or 6,000 years old or anything significantly less than four and a half billion years old)”, etc., etc., etc., I cannot make a statement such as:

There neither is now nor ever has been any god, creator or divine being. To think or say otherwise is only to parrot the superstitions and supernaturalism of deluded individuals who have somehow managed to pass on their delusions over many centuries and convince others that they are speaking the truth, which they are not.

Two major religions, Christianity and Islam, condone and revere individuals who, on any rational analysis, committed what would be considered as statutory rape in any civilised society. In Christianity, it is taught that the so-called “Holy Spirit” inseminated a virgin called Mary when she was between  12½ and fifteen years old. In Islam, the published history of Mohammed, according to the translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236, states that the prophet Mohammed’s first wife, Khadija, “died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married &#039;Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old”.

Since there is not any god, then it is clearly impossible to hear him, her or it speak. This means that anyone purporting to have heard the word of god is clearly a delusional psychotic or manipulative fraud. It follows that there can be no word of god, either written or spoken and that all religious texts purporting to be so are dangerous works of fiction masquerading as fact.


What the legislation means is that, whilst I am not permitted to make a fully truthful and accurate statement like that above because people who believe in a mythical, imaginary deity might take offence, such people are allowed the protection of the law to continue to disseminate their delusional hocus-pocus completely unchallenged which I and, I am sure, a substantial number of other non-believers, find personally grossly offensive and insulting.

So much for human rights to freedom of speech and expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am writing from Ireland and I am a member of Atheist Ireland. My main reason for responding is to correct the comment #8.</p>
<p>GetSmart said that Irish atheists should get preemptive, and claim Christians, Muslims, Scientologists, Buddhists, Hindus etc. etc. are an outrage to Atheists, and should no longer be allowed to voice their superstitious drivel as it is offensive to Atheists.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this misinterprets the legislation. Only adherents of religions receive protection from &#8220;grossly abusive or insulting&#8221; publications.</p>
<p>This means that atheists who are, by definition, not adherents to any religion, cannot take action under this law. I belive that the correct term for this law is &#8220;sectarian&#8221;.</p>
<p>What this means is that, whilst anyone can indeed spout out religious drivel and fantasy based on superstition and unscientific supernaturalism, such as “there is a divine being (god, allah or whatever takes your fancy)”, “we have books that are the word of our god (see above)”, “we have prophets that you must revere as being perfect”, “you shall go to a place called hell and suffer for all eternity”, “the world is only 5,000 years old (or 6,000 years old or anything significantly less than four and a half billion years old)”, etc., etc., etc., I cannot make a statement such as:</p>
<p>There neither is now nor ever has been any god, creator or divine being. To think or say otherwise is only to parrot the superstitions and supernaturalism of deluded individuals who have somehow managed to pass on their delusions over many centuries and convince others that they are speaking the truth, which they are not.</p>
<p>Two major religions, Christianity and Islam, condone and revere individuals who, on any rational analysis, committed what would be considered as statutory rape in any civilised society. In Christianity, it is taught that the so-called “Holy Spirit” inseminated a virgin called Mary when she was between  12½ and fifteen years old. In Islam, the published history of Mohammed, according to the translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236, states that the prophet Mohammed’s first wife, Khadija, “died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married &#8216;Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old”.</p>
<p>Since there is not any god, then it is clearly impossible to hear him, her or it speak. This means that anyone purporting to have heard the word of god is clearly a delusional psychotic or manipulative fraud. It follows that there can be no word of god, either written or spoken and that all religious texts purporting to be so are dangerous works of fiction masquerading as fact.</p>
<p>What the legislation means is that, whilst I am not permitted to make a fully truthful and accurate statement like that above because people who believe in a mythical, imaginary deity might take offence, such people are allowed the protection of the law to continue to disseminate their delusional hocus-pocus completely unchallenged which I and, I am sure, a substantial number of other non-believers, find personally grossly offensive and insulting.</p>
<p>So much for human rights to freedom of speech and expression.</p>
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		<title>By: maggi</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1552415</link>
		<dc:creator>maggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>s36. as noted, there&#039;s plenty of opinion floating around, all of which seems far more extreme than the mild mannered people dealt with daily in our ordinary lives.   Stop the protest, let&#039;s get a proper handle on what this is all about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s36. as noted, there&#8217;s plenty of opinion floating around, all of which seems far more extreme than the mild mannered people dealt with daily in our ordinary lives.   Stop the protest, let&#8217;s get a proper handle on what this is all about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551565</link>
		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little &lt;a href=&quot;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nQZLOCqglvA/SYX9qBWbjLI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/_eeuGD4pcnI/s400/Even+more+Sunday+Blasphemy&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blasphemy&lt;/a&gt; once in a while is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little <a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nQZLOCqglvA/SYX9qBWbjLI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/_eeuGD4pcnI/s400/Even+more+Sunday+Blasphemy" title="" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">blasphemy</a> once in a while is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551226</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24, GetSmart,

Exactly!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24, GetSmart,</p>
<p>Exactly!!!</p>
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		<title>By: GetSmart</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551171</link>
		<dc:creator>GetSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 Zybch: Grew up long ago, thanks. Just wanted to point out how to make this law go away faster than you can say &quot;Religious Dundermentalist&quot; If the Irish Atheists DID challenge every other religious belief system  as causing &quot;Outrage&quot; to Atheists in the Irish courts,  the religious folk would be screaming at the top of their lungs to have this blasphemy law struck down. The irony would be delicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 Zybch: Grew up long ago, thanks. Just wanted to point out how to make this law go away faster than you can say &#8220;Religious Dundermentalist&#8221; If the Irish Atheists DID challenge every other religious belief system  as causing &#8220;Outrage&#8221; to Atheists in the Irish courts,  the religious folk would be screaming at the top of their lungs to have this blasphemy law struck down. The irony would be delicious.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551156</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot have a law against blasphemy unless you have a state religion.  Then you are throwing out tolerance.  Western civilization is based on religious tolerance.  This law is ridiculous.  It is not going to be used to protect Christians.  It will be used to let Islam gain power and destroy Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot have a law against blasphemy unless you have a state religion.  Then you are throwing out tolerance.  Western civilization is based on religious tolerance.  This law is ridiculous.  It is not going to be used to protect Christians.  It will be used to let Islam gain power and destroy Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolafa</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551100</link>
		<dc:creator>Rolafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry I must have stumbled across the &quot;Atheist Central Trivial News Blog&quot;. Can someone direct me to where the Dvorak Uncensored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry I must have stumbled across the &#8220;Atheist Central Trivial News Blog&#8221;. Can someone direct me to where the Dvorak Uncensored?</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo, the self aware ape</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551095</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbo, the self aware ape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its fun looking down on religious idiots and political advocates of all stripes.  Go to a Bar and talk to anyone long enough and you will find some subject to get violent about or to become totally dismissive of the other person.

What should a wise, self aware, self actualized non-hypocrite do?

Look inward.  What crazy ideas do I happen to cling to myself?  Its a private exercise we all should do from time to time.  One, just one of many, of my own failings, is the continuous mindset that people think for themselves and therefore take responsibility for what they do and say.  Turns out, all too often, people operate from a morass of emotions.  Political/philosophical/religious/early trauma/lack of fatherly or motherly love.  All too quickly, the mind closes and new information that would allow a healthier view/a more moderate view and happier life are taken as insults leading to laws to protect one&#039;s own self from having to face the morass.

Ireland.  One of the great fertilizers of the English Language moving to ban language.

Time for some self analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its fun looking down on religious idiots and political advocates of all stripes.  Go to a Bar and talk to anyone long enough and you will find some subject to get violent about or to become totally dismissive of the other person.</p>
<p>What should a wise, self aware, self actualized non-hypocrite do?</p>
<p>Look inward.  What crazy ideas do I happen to cling to myself?  Its a private exercise we all should do from time to time.  One, just one of many, of my own failings, is the continuous mindset that people think for themselves and therefore take responsibility for what they do and say.  Turns out, all too often, people operate from a morass of emotions.  Political/philosophical/religious/early trauma/lack of fatherly or motherly love.  All too quickly, the mind closes and new information that would allow a healthier view/a more moderate view and happier life are taken as insults leading to laws to protect one&#8217;s own self from having to face the morass.</p>
<p>Ireland.  One of the great fertilizers of the English Language moving to ban language.</p>
<p>Time for some self analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551090</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In certain countries dominated by Islam, religion and law are intertwined. Religion IS the law. Some Christian churches must be terribly envious of that.

If faith was really strong in the hearts of these screwballs, they wouldn&#039;t give a damn what people think or say about their sacred beliefs. But since it&#039;s so feeble, they crumble and get angry at the slightest sign of criticism. I am not a psychiatrist, but my bet is that deep down, subconsciously, they KNOW their religion is bullshit. That&#039;s why they&#039;re so touchy about it.

&quot;How apt the poor are to be proud.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In certain countries dominated by Islam, religion and law are intertwined. Religion IS the law. Some Christian churches must be terribly envious of that.</p>
<p>If faith was really strong in the hearts of these screwballs, they wouldn&#8217;t give a damn what people think or say about their sacred beliefs. But since it&#8217;s so feeble, they crumble and get angry at the slightest sign of criticism. I am not a psychiatrist, but my bet is that deep down, subconsciously, they KNOW their religion is bullshit. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re so touchy about it.</p>
<p>&#8220;How apt the poor are to be proud.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your making that statement may constitute blasphemy.</description>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551083</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;And I don’t want to see a swastika spray painted on the side of a synagogue. 

How about on a temple?  It is a Hindu symbol of peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;And I don’t want to see a swastika spray painted on the side of a synagogue. </p>
<p>How about on a temple?  It is a Hindu symbol of peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could come to that here too if the cops run out of stuff to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could come to that here too if the cops run out of stuff to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Don</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/09/does-ireland-need-a-blasphemy-law/comment-page-1/#comment-1551077</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus rode a dinosaur?

The things you learn on Dvorak&#039;s blog ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus rode a dinosaur?</p>
<p>The things you learn on Dvorak&#8217;s blog &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Headshaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headshaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who does honestly need a blasphemy law?  If God get&#039;s offended by it, let him sort it out.

It was ironic when the Pope made a comment about Islam being violent.  What happened - Muslims burned down churches, and killed nuns because they felt insulted.  Could it be because he was RIGHT!

If Allah needs people to defend him, then he&#039;s a big sissy girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who does honestly need a blasphemy law?  If God get&#8217;s offended by it, let him sort it out.</p>
<p>It was ironic when the Pope made a comment about Islam being violent.  What happened &#8211; Muslims burned down churches, and killed nuns because they felt insulted.  Could it be because he was RIGHT!</p>
<p>If Allah needs people to defend him, then he&#8217;s a big sissy girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent Salmonberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agent Salmonberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good reason to insult Muslims all I can here in THIS country.</description>
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