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	<title>Comments on: Recovery.gov Tells You Where Your Money Went &#8212; After A Mere $9-18 Million Makeover!</title>
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		<title>By: curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552970</link>
		<dc:creator>curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#46 - a decade ago, fortune 500 companies were already spending 9-figures for their web presences, often combined with intranet and extranet components. these days, highly-interactive self-service features are also common. yes many components are better easier and cheaper now, but interactivity is expensive to build or maintain &amp; costly security and privacy reqs only get more and more severe. big business tools cost major moolah. always have, always will.

#44 - I believe you, but RFPs aren&#039;t always tight, often rushed. the key to success is how well the contract is structured and managed.  Let&#039;s hope they have some geniuses doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#46 &#8211; a decade ago, fortune 500 companies were already spending 9-figures for their web presences, often combined with intranet and extranet components. these days, highly-interactive self-service features are also common. yes many components are better easier and cheaper now, but interactivity is expensive to build or maintain &amp; costly security and privacy reqs only get more and more severe. big business tools cost major moolah. always have, always will.</p>
<p>#44 &#8211; I believe you, but RFPs aren&#8217;t always tight, often rushed. the key to success is how well the contract is structured and managed.  Let&#8217;s hope they have some geniuses doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how funding such a website is a problem, considering that it disseminates government information to millions of citizens.

The US Military goes through $18 million dollars an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how funding such a website is a problem, considering that it disseminates government information to millions of citizens.</p>
<p>The US Military goes through $18 million dollars an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: looney</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552546</link>
		<dc:creator>looney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. I just put up MY site for $7.36 a month, using Squarespace and the Tech5 discount (TECH). Thanks, John! It&#039;s great. Perhaps you should send an email to the the HOPECHANGE guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. I just put up MY site for $7.36 a month, using Squarespace and the Tech5 discount (TECH). Thanks, John! It&#8217;s great. Perhaps you should send an email to the the HOPECHANGE guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Baktiva</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552544</link>
		<dc:creator>Baktiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. From the same folks who are going to fix the health care system...

Good luck, suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. From the same folks who are going to fix the health care system&#8230;</p>
<p>Good luck, suckers.</p>
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		<title>By: soundwash</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552496</link>
		<dc:creator>soundwash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transparency my arse..

That website is a huge waste of tax money. 
it is a pure propaganda machine and 
nothing more.

If anything, It should be called the 
&quot;Great Depression v2.0&quot;

MAYBE if they ever decided to tell the 
truth (about anything) and stopped fabricating/spinning the numbers it might 
be a worthy idea.

If you want a glimpse at some real data
concerning this fictitious &quot;recovery&quot;,
head on over http://shadowstats.com/
for healthy dose of reality.

-after that, head over to The Market Oracle: http://marketoracle.co.uk/ and get a clue (with hard data to back it up) from people who actually work in the marketplace, about what is really going on with our economy as well as those around the globe.

Recovery.gov is only for the gullible, brainwashed masses that that love to be 
spoon fed candy coated crap on a daily bases.

-whoever is in charge of hiring/allocating website funding should be tared, feathered and fired.
-s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transparency my arse..</p>
<p>That website is a huge waste of tax money.<br />
it is a pure propaganda machine and<br />
nothing more.</p>
<p>If anything, It should be called the<br />
&#8220;Great Depression v2.0&#8243;</p>
<p>MAYBE if they ever decided to tell the<br />
truth (about anything) and stopped fabricating/spinning the numbers it might<br />
be a worthy idea.</p>
<p>If you want a glimpse at some real data<br />
concerning this fictitious &#8220;recovery&#8221;,<br />
head on over <a href="http://shadowstats.com/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://shadowstats.com/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://shadowstats.com/</a><br />
for healthy dose of reality.</p>
<p>-after that, head over to The Market Oracle: <a href="http://marketoracle.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://marketoracle.co.uk/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://marketoracle.co.uk/</a> and get a clue (with hard data to back it up) from people who actually work in the marketplace, about what is really going on with our economy as well as those around the globe.</p>
<p>Recovery.gov is only for the gullible, brainwashed masses that that love to be<br />
spoon fed candy coated crap on a daily bases.</p>
<p>-whoever is in charge of hiring/allocating website funding should be tared, feathered and fired.<br />
-s</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recovery.gov

Maybe it should be a website to help lawmakers to recover from porkitis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recovery.gov</p>
<p>Maybe it should be a website to help lawmakers to recover from porkitis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552315</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45, deowll,

&lt;i&gt;I think they have only manged to spend about 10% of the “stimulus” package so ... &lt;/i&gt;

Then you wrote,

...&lt;i&gt;somebody with a brain actually has to set down and do some thinking about what actually needs to be done &lt;/i&gt;...

So they aren&#039;t going fast enough but if they went any faster they wouldn&#039;t be thinking.

Another post worthy of the &lt;b&gt;Right Wing Nut of the Day Award&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45, deowll,</p>
<p><i>I think they have only manged to spend about 10% of the “stimulus” package so &#8230; </i></p>
<p>Then you wrote,</p>
<p>&#8230;<i>somebody with a brain actually has to set down and do some thinking about what actually needs to be done </i>&#8230;</p>
<p>So they aren&#8217;t going fast enough but if they went any faster they wouldn&#8217;t be thinking.</p>
<p>Another post worthy of the <b>Right Wing Nut of the Day Award</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552287</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42 They could have most likely gotten the same thing or better for a couple of hundred thousand but if you want to pay more you can always find somebody willing to charge more.

I&#039;m sure they did what amounted to having the software equivalent of a hammer or pulley custom made a few hundred times in this project rather than using a stranded issue hammer.

The down side of that kind of thinking is that the custom code is more likely to have undiscovered bugs and design flaws in it.

Of course the provider may not in fact have written all new code and just charged like they did.

There is an old saying, &quot;A fool and his money are soon parted.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42 They could have most likely gotten the same thing or better for a couple of hundred thousand but if you want to pay more you can always find somebody willing to charge more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they did what amounted to having the software equivalent of a hammer or pulley custom made a few hundred times in this project rather than using a stranded issue hammer.</p>
<p>The down side of that kind of thinking is that the custom code is more likely to have undiscovered bugs and design flaws in it.</p>
<p>Of course the provider may not in fact have written all new code and just charged like they did.</p>
<p>There is an old saying, &#8220;A fool and his money are soon parted.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-3/#comment-1552284</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t get Congress to do anything. 

Obama and the Dem leaders seem to be very good at getting the House and sometimes the Senate to pass huge spending bills sight unseen. They just claim its and emergency and they don&#039;t have time for due diligence and the twits go along with it.

I think they have only manged to spend about 10% of the &quot;stimulus&quot; package so for and while _some+ of the projects seem like something worth doing as jobs packages go they are a sick joke.

Let&#039;s be honest this was a giant pork package where they threw everything every Congress critter had ever requested together but hadn&#039;t as yet been passed without any regard for the cost or the actual need if any for the project and passed it in order to show the American people their Congress critters cared and were looking out for them. 

This was not a jobs program. In order to create a jobs program somebody with a brain actually has to set down and do some thinking about what actually needs to be done to increase employment and put together something that would have a chance of creating jobs.

That was not how the stimulus package was done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t get Congress to do anything. </p>
<p>Obama and the Dem leaders seem to be very good at getting the House and sometimes the Senate to pass huge spending bills sight unseen. They just claim its and emergency and they don&#8217;t have time for due diligence and the twits go along with it.</p>
<p>I think they have only manged to spend about 10% of the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; package so for and while _some+ of the projects seem like something worth doing as jobs packages go they are a sick joke.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be honest this was a giant pork package where they threw everything every Congress critter had ever requested together but hadn&#8217;t as yet been passed without any regard for the cost or the actual need if any for the project and passed it in order to show the American people their Congress critters cared and were looking out for them. </p>
<p>This was not a jobs program. In order to create a jobs program somebody with a brain actually has to set down and do some thinking about what actually needs to be done to increase employment and put together something that would have a chance of creating jobs.</p>
<p>That was not how the stimulus package was done.</p>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
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		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42 curmudgeon

I posted something here with links but it got flagged as spam. If you compare the RFP for the site with sales literature from IBM you&#039;ll notice that whoever put this bid together either copied and pasted IBM&#039;s &quot;solution architecture&quot; or they just had IBM do it.

You&#039;re right about the money, but it&#039;s pathetic how poorly the bid process was run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42 curmudgeon</p>
<p>I posted something here with links but it got flagged as spam. If you compare the RFP for the site with sales literature from IBM you&#8217;ll notice that whoever put this bid together either copied and pasted IBM&#8217;s &#8220;solution architecture&#8221; or they just had IBM do it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the money, but it&#8217;s pathetic how poorly the bid process was run.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow Bone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow Bone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could have found a random web developer to do this free of charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could have found a random web developer to do this free of charge.</p>
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		<title>By: curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your outrage is largely misguided and based in the stone age. check some facts first.
$18M for a big secure corporate site - and the US government is larger more complex than most businesses - is nothing.
$100M &amp; hundreds of staff are not unheard of for the design, construction, operation &amp; maintenance of massive sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your outrage is largely misguided and based in the stone age. check some facts first.<br />
$18M for a big secure corporate site &#8211; and the US government is larger more complex than most businesses &#8211; is nothing.<br />
$100M &amp; hundreds of staff are not unheard of for the design, construction, operation &amp; maintenance of massive sites.</p>
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		<title>By: ECA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>33.

aLL STAR?
So obama has spent more then $18 trillion dollars in 6 months??
The bills posted by obama had ADDONS PORT from WHO??  that doubled the bills??
YOU TRY, to talk 2/3 of congress and reps into DOING ANYTHING..
YOU TRY to get corps out of washington.
The ONLY way he is going to get anything done, is to bring it up to the PEOPLE of this nation and LET THEM WATCH, as there senators and reps, MESS IT ALL UP.  SHOW the public what is going on..GET US PISSED OFF at our REPRESENTIVES, that we VOTED for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33.</p>
<p>aLL STAR?<br />
So obama has spent more then $18 trillion dollars in 6 months??<br />
The bills posted by obama had ADDONS PORT from WHO??  that doubled the bills??<br />
YOU TRY, to talk 2/3 of congress and reps into DOING ANYTHING..<br />
YOU TRY to get corps out of washington.<br />
The ONLY way he is going to get anything done, is to bring it up to the PEOPLE of this nation and LET THEM WATCH, as there senators and reps, MESS IT ALL UP.  SHOW the public what is going on..GET US PISSED OFF at our REPRESENTIVES, that we VOTED for.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/12/recovery-gov-tells-you-where-your-money-went-after-a-mere-9-18-million-makeover/comment-page-2/#comment-1552244</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, Why do I have the feeling that the information at Recovery.org is going to make the government look much worse than the information at Recovery.gov?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, Why do I have the feeling that the information at Recovery.org is going to make the government look much worse than the information at Recovery.gov?</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38 - Toxic Asshead

Bush Jr. inherited the terrorist threat. Did he do anything to ramp up security?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38 &#8211; Toxic Asshead</p>
<p>Bush Jr. inherited the terrorist threat. Did he do anything to ramp up security?</p>
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