Rival political parties in Sweden are split over the prospect of establishing a registry of women who have had abortions, party officials said.
Christian Democrats favor reporting the identities of women who have had abortions but the Moderate, Centre and Liberal parties oppose the move on integrity grounds, the Swedish News Agency reported.
Integrity from theocrats?
Anders Milton, who was commissioned by the government to investigate the issue, suggested inclusion of personal identification numbers of women who had an abortion because he said it would help in follow-up of complications and improve prevention.
“The register always awakes feelings of unease, but I definitely think the idea is worth a try,” Chatrine Palsson Ahlgren, Christian Democrat Member of Parliament said to the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper.
Gee. They could even make it mandatory for these women to sew little patches on their coats. It worked before.
#46, Scott,
Just to clarify, there are two thoughts here. One is the technically correct term “fetus” while there is the colloquial “baby”. When my wife was seven months along there is just no way I would ask her how the “fetus” was doing. Our couch was pretty lumpy.
A similar situation is the colloquial use of the word “theory”. We both understand how that one works.
Yes, the colloquial misuse leads to confusion. YET, in the case by most of the religious wing nuts, the use is not the endearing one of an expectant couple. I believe it is a firmly held belief that does effect their thinking.
#66, King,
As for the argument by others between what constitutes a fetus vs. a baby they are one in the same, traveling 8 inches down a birth canal does not change the nature of the fetus/baby it only changes the location in proximity of the mother.
So if I shot someone in the shoulder that is OK. But, another 8″ over and it is a whole new game. The same with the birth.
Once a fetus is cut from the cord and takes its first breath, it becomes a baby. Not until or in lieu of. If the fetus never takes that first breath, for whatever reason, it is stillborn and not a person.
BTW, cancer cells usually have the same DNA as the person.
A fetus changes very slowly. Some may be viable at 28 weeks while another fetus isn’t viable until 32 weeks. All premature fetuses though are NOT fully developed and most will require some care to survive.
Bobbo, I don’t think you have much of an idea what Roe v Wade is, if you think it is the centerpiece of understanding abortion, instead of just abortion law. Even with regards to the law, you have to understand it along with the companion case of Doe v Bolton. Even then, you have only started to understand US law, not the more restrictive laws in Europe.
#82–Mickey==I googled Bolton. It is less than one page long and offers NOTHING regarding abortion except confirmation of Roe v Wade which from memory is about 100 pages long going into the history, science, and morality of the abortion issue.
You get caught quite often making false arguments. I never said it was the centerpiece of abortion law (although it certainly is) and was comfortable making a lesser statement that you have to read it in order to intelligently discuss the issues. “Baby vs fetus” and “When does life Begin” and in fact what the actual issue of taking the fetus’s life is all about. It cannot be appreciated without reading Roe.
So==you huff and puff, but are just a gas bag. Hopefully, your desire to contest an issue will provide you with the motivation to actually become competent at doing so?
King==read Roe v Wade. 8 inches isn’t a lot, but it demonstrates the “CONTINUUM” that life exhibits from conception to death. Along that continuum is the time from being mother dependent to independent as stated by Fusion. Words, actually their definitions, contain the culmination of human thinking on a subject. Constantly changing but words don’t mean whatever you mean by uttering them.
Fetus and Baby have meaning that arose centuries ago before abortion became the issue it is today. Words get group tested not for their meaning, but for their impact. Manipulators of the public square choose their words to influence public opinion–not to conform to facts.
So, as life gains autonomy along the continuum, that life gains rights and duties as well. All subject to history, knowledge, custom, argument. Don’t foul the nest by corrupting the ideas represented by words.
Word.
Bobbo, Doe v Bolton expands substantially the status of legal abortion. The 3 trimester rule that frequently is associated with Roe does not stand up under Doe.
#79 Hugh I do understand that it would mean a woman carrying to term what was put there immorally.
I also understand that in many cases that woman may actually be no more than a teen.
I also further understand that the child may actually grow into a person that can destroy or assist society.
I will go one farther, and that if the day-after pill is administered (and it can be now in most places) this will stop the whole process BEFORE it has to come to a living being with brain activity.
I am not one who thinks a splat of cells with no sentience is a human. No brain waves = no life in my book. If the shoe fits for death, it should fit for life.
So there are ways of dealing with it. My thought is that after there are brain waves, unless it means the death of the mother, there is no need for abortion. Carry it to term, let others adopt it and move on.
As for Alfred1; he has brain activity… its just sociopathic. And as we all know:
Neurotics build castles in the sky.
Psychotics live in them.
Sociopaths are the guards because they like to push people around and wear uniforms.
Cursor_
I’d like to see some helpful legislation passed requiring training, licensure and registration for all people wishing to purchase a bible.
It would be good if we could extend that to Qu’rans and other “holy” literature, too, but that might be seen as racist.
He who has not sinned can cast the first stone.
#86–Mickey==I won’t even go back an check THE ONE PAGE AFFIRMATION that is Bolton. YOU have NO CREDIBILITY warranting the effort to do so.
The three trimester rule from Wade is the law of the land.
MY POINT, offered 5 times now, is that if you want to intelligently engage the abortion debate, you have to read Wade. That is very consistent with you wanting to discuss Bolton.
Heh, heh.
#89–killer==you do know that that admonishment is NOT A METAPHOR. In the correct context, that is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. Thanks.
#87, Cursor,
Carry it to term, let others adopt it and move on.
Two points.
First you confirm my comment to Misanthrope Scott that those against abortion, the anti-choice crowd, don’t believe the fetus is human. If they did they would call “it” a “fetus”, “the baby”, or “he / she”. Calling the fetus an “it” is acknowledgment the fetus is not a person, the same as a cancerous tumor is not a person.
Second, you suggest carrying the fetus to term and giving the baby up for adoption? Do you have any idea how many kids are waiting to be adopted now? Few things burn my butt as much as hearing some bible thumping goody nut bar go to China or elsewhere to adopt a baby when there are so many waiting to be adopted here.
Carrying a baby to term only to lose the baby is one of the most gut wrenching emotional trials any person can go through.You don’t understand what you are expecting women to go through to satisfy men who want to control their bodies.
Over 100K kiddies waiting for adoption in USA:
http://photolisting.adoption.com/
I wonder how many of the mothers wanted but could not get an abortion?
How many kiddies are living with parents who don’t want them?
If kiddieship is such a joy, shouldn’t it be restricted to those who DESERVE the little treasures?–ie, want them?
Speaking of that pesky continuum, like a fetus to a baby, baby to a full adult, I also think there is a continuum link from sperm or egg to zygote.
“Every sperm is precious.”