<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The 1st Amendment Is Dead &#8212; Guy Arrested For Saying He Hated Cops</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/</link>
	<description>General interest observations and true web-log.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558371</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558371</guid>
		<description>#52, traaxx the idiot.

Read the effen article. Here, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/disorderly-conduct-conver_n_246794.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ll even link it again for you.&lt;/a&gt;

How does someone so stupid be allowed out of their room?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#52, traaxx the idiot.</p>
<p>Read the effen article. Here, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/disorderly-conduct-conver_n_246794.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I&#8217;ll even link it again for you.</a></p>
<p>How does someone so stupid be allowed out of their room?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Traaxx</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558355</link>
		<dc:creator>Traaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558355</guid>
		<description>This story doesn&#039;t sound right, I&#039;d bet there is alot more to the story than Uncle &#039;the DipCommie&#039; Dave has put up.  

No one just walks up to &quot;five or six police cruisers surrounding two cars&quot;, which implies a felony stop, and starts yelling “I hate the police, I hate the police.”  How many &quot;buddies&quot; were with him?  They were able to get the officer&#039;s attention while they were busy in traffic, with radios blaring, and attention drawn to the two cars and at least two suspects?  

Uncle &quot;the DipCommie&quot; Dave are you really so stupid and ignorant that you couldn&#039;t wonder about this guys description of events?  I bet you&#039;re a Demoncrat, that you&#039;re for abortion and believe in Global Warming. Am I wrong?  Go ahead lie on the blog again.


Whatever.................
Traaxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story doesn&#8217;t sound right, I&#8217;d bet there is alot more to the story than Uncle &#8216;the DipCommie&#8217; Dave has put up.  </p>
<p>No one just walks up to &#8220;five or six police cruisers surrounding two cars&#8221;, which implies a felony stop, and starts yelling “I hate the police, I hate the police.”  How many &#8220;buddies&#8221; were with him?  They were able to get the officer&#8217;s attention while they were busy in traffic, with radios blaring, and attention drawn to the two cars and at least two suspects?  </p>
<p>Uncle &#8220;the DipCommie&#8221; Dave are you really so stupid and ignorant that you couldn&#8217;t wonder about this guys description of events?  I bet you&#8217;re a Demoncrat, that you&#8217;re for abortion and believe in Global Warming. Am I wrong?  Go ahead lie on the blog again.</p>
<p>Whatever&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Traaxx</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Somebody</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558334</link>
		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 06:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558334</guid>
		<description>That was hate speech.

It probably will be illegal this time next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was hate speech.</p>
<p>It probably will be illegal this time next year.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558314</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558314</guid>
		<description>There&#039;s something fundamentally wrong about the way policing is set up in this country (and not only this one). Too many lawyers in charge, too few local cops who know the people (do you actually know the name of a police officer in your community?), it&#039;s all set up so a cop&#039;s life is mostly confrontation. We&#039;re so spread out, I can&#039;t see returning to the beat as practical, but something like that is what we need.

Until quite recently, almost no British cops carried firearms, and that worked out well for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something fundamentally wrong about the way policing is set up in this country (and not only this one). Too many lawyers in charge, too few local cops who know the people (do you actually know the name of a police officer in your community?), it&#8217;s all set up so a cop&#8217;s life is mostly confrontation. We&#8217;re so spread out, I can&#8217;t see returning to the beat as practical, but something like that is what we need.</p>
<p>Until quite recently, almost no British cops carried firearms, and that worked out well for them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: noname</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558313</link>
		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558313</guid>
		<description>I agree with #47 chris,Instead making petty stuff criminal, fight real crime like real men.

I&#039;ll respect the police when I see law enforcement going after truly important crime (nationally important), that will make everyone&#039;s life happier and more productive; when they stop allowing rampant oil speculators, WALL STREET insider trading, Ponzi schemes, Haliburton scamming American tax payers through defense contracts,  Enron and Credit card Co robbing the American people and the list goes on.  

Instead of cops taking a ~2% of an average families yearly income for going 5 miles over the speed limit, why not focus on real crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #47 chris,Instead making petty stuff criminal, fight real crime like real men.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll respect the police when I see law enforcement going after truly important crime (nationally important), that will make everyone&#8217;s life happier and more productive; when they stop allowing rampant oil speculators, WALL STREET insider trading, Ponzi schemes, Haliburton scamming American tax payers through defense contracts,  Enron and Credit card Co robbing the American people and the list goes on.  </p>
<p>Instead of cops taking a ~2% of an average families yearly income for going 5 miles over the speed limit, why not focus on real crime.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558285</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558285</guid>
		<description>Much of the friction between the public and the police has to do with policy decisions made by politicians. If people weren&#039;t locked up for soft drugs imagine how many more resources would be available for traditional policing. 

Prosecutors looking to move up the political ladder also create incentives for the public not to be cooperative with law enforcement.  The lesson of Martha Stewart, not charged with any underlying offense of insider trading, should make anyone leery of talking to anyone with a badge. 

Cops, like everyone else, are mostly decent people who are just trying to get by. We should look instead at politicians who demonize non-dangerous people in order to appear tough. 

If police were tasked only with stopping dangerous people they would be universally respected like firemen. I think we could all deal with fewer drunk drivers, shady businesses, petty thieves, and murderers. When police are ordered to fight culture wars it does a disservice to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the friction between the public and the police has to do with policy decisions made by politicians. If people weren&#8217;t locked up for soft drugs imagine how many more resources would be available for traditional policing. </p>
<p>Prosecutors looking to move up the political ladder also create incentives for the public not to be cooperative with law enforcement.  The lesson of Martha Stewart, not charged with any underlying offense of insider trading, should make anyone leery of talking to anyone with a badge. </p>
<p>Cops, like everyone else, are mostly decent people who are just trying to get by. We should look instead at politicians who demonize non-dangerous people in order to appear tough. </p>
<p>If police were tasked only with stopping dangerous people they would be universally respected like firemen. I think we could all deal with fewer drunk drivers, shady businesses, petty thieves, and murderers. When police are ordered to fight culture wars it does a disservice to everyone.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: deowll</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558280</link>
		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558280</guid>
		<description>Ok, he may or may not have  been breaking the law. That is his actions were neither reasonible nor prudent is beyond doubt. 

This guy is the kind of guy you don&#039;t want for a friend because he will get you into more trouble than you can get out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, he may or may not have  been breaking the law. That is his actions were neither reasonible nor prudent is beyond doubt. </p>
<p>This guy is the kind of guy you don&#8217;t want for a friend because he will get you into more trouble than you can get out of.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cartman</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558279</link>
		<dc:creator>Cartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558279</guid>
		<description>I am a cop and you will respect my authoritah!

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150368&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WATCH IT&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a cop and you will respect my authoritah!</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150368" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">WATCH IT</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Hugh Ripper</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558271</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558271</guid>
		<description>The cop&#039;s standards are clearly slipping. In times of yore they would have taken him down an alley and really given him something to hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cop&#8217;s standards are clearly slipping. In times of yore they would have taken him down an alley and really given him something to hate.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wretched Gnu</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558262</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretched Gnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558262</guid>
		<description>Gates was arrested for making a political point.  This guy was arrested for being a jerk.

Neither is an arrestable offense.  The cops in both cases are knobless, cowardly twits.

But don&#039;t compare Gates&#039;s legitimate, politically-inflected anger with some guy who was just trying to provoke for its own sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gates was arrested for making a political point.  This guy was arrested for being a jerk.</p>
<p>Neither is an arrestable offense.  The cops in both cases are knobless, cowardly twits.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t compare Gates&#8217;s legitimate, politically-inflected anger with some guy who was just trying to provoke for its own sake.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: noname</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558261</link>
		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558261</guid>
		<description># 9 smartalix said,

&quot;We need as renewed debate about the role of law enforcement in our society.&quot;

NO, NO WE DON&#039;T.  

Cops are GODs, and we; are just their charges to which they can do with what they please.  There is nothing questionable about Tasering Grandmothers, Shooting and or Killing unarmed people in the back, slamming a teenagers head into cement and crippling him is all ok.  The Supreme Court on down, Congress and Repuketons have all settled this for U.S.  It&#039;s all ok, it&#039;s all American as apple pie.

We are the Cops and the States maidservants.  Get use to it, love it and ask for more next time you vote.

How dare, someone (he must not have been born in the U.S.A) actually believe police have to respect 1st amendment rights.  

The constitution is not there for U.S., it is there to protect the Cops, the politicians for which it stands, one nation under Cops with liberty and justice only for the wealthy only and well connected.  

Basically if you get into trouble, it&#039;s your own damn fault.  AMERICA SHUT UP AND SUBMIT!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 9 smartalix said,</p>
<p>&#8220;We need as renewed debate about the role of law enforcement in our society.&#8221;</p>
<p>NO, NO WE DON&#8217;T.  </p>
<p>Cops are GODs, and we; are just their charges to which they can do with what they please.  There is nothing questionable about Tasering Grandmothers, Shooting and or Killing unarmed people in the back, slamming a teenagers head into cement and crippling him is all ok.  The Supreme Court on down, Congress and Repuketons have all settled this for U.S.  It&#8217;s all ok, it&#8217;s all American as apple pie.</p>
<p>We are the Cops and the States maidservants.  Get use to it, love it and ask for more next time you vote.</p>
<p>How dare, someone (he must not have been born in the U.S.A) actually believe police have to respect 1st amendment rights.  </p>
<p>The constitution is not there for U.S., it is there to protect the Cops, the politicians for which it stands, one nation under Cops with liberty and justice only for the wealthy only and well connected.  </p>
<p>Basically if you get into trouble, it&#8217;s your own damn fault.  AMERICA SHUT UP AND SUBMIT!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Fed up</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558254</link>
		<dc:creator>Fed up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558254</guid>
		<description>Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F Kennedy

Exchange the world &quot;revolution&quot; with &quot;dissent&quot; as that is the precursor to revolution.

Is it wise to provoke the cops?  No.  But evidently, this person has seen enough that he can&#039;t keep it quiet any more.  A lot of people know how he feels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.</p>
<p>John F Kennedy</p>
<p>Exchange the world &#8220;revolution&#8221; with &#8220;dissent&#8221; as that is the precursor to revolution.</p>
<p>Is it wise to provoke the cops?  No.  But evidently, this person has seen enough that he can&#8217;t keep it quiet any more.  A lot of people know how he feels.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John E. Quantum</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-3/#comment-1558252</link>
		<dc:creator>John E. Quantum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558252</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve had occasion to call the police several times after being the victim of property theft  crimes. In none of the cases did I receive what I considered an adequate response. Usually, the police officer had an attitude like &quot;this kind of thing happens all the time. We can&#039;t prevent or solve it, so why are you bothering us.&quot; That was very frustrating.

The other side of police work that doesn&#039;t get discussed much- My son drove a cab for a little while. While stopped and looking at a map, someone ran up to his cab and told him his buddy had just been struck by a train. My son called 911 and the police arrived quickly. The officers that walked over and looked at the mangled body of the poor SOB that had been struck by the Accela high speed train are going to live with that image for the rest of their lives. They regularly have to view the results of homicide and suicide and vehicular mayhem. I can see why some of them get a little twisted. Most ordinary citizens aren&#039;t prepared or equipped to deal with what the police routinely confront.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had occasion to call the police several times after being the victim of property theft  crimes. In none of the cases did I receive what I considered an adequate response. Usually, the police officer had an attitude like &#8220;this kind of thing happens all the time. We can&#8217;t prevent or solve it, so why are you bothering us.&#8221; That was very frustrating.</p>
<p>The other side of police work that doesn&#8217;t get discussed much- My son drove a cab for a little while. While stopped and looking at a map, someone ran up to his cab and told him his buddy had just been struck by a train. My son called 911 and the police arrived quickly. The officers that walked over and looked at the mangled body of the poor SOB that had been struck by the Accela high speed train are going to live with that image for the rest of their lives. They regularly have to view the results of homicide and suicide and vehicular mayhem. I can see why some of them get a little twisted. Most ordinary citizens aren&#8217;t prepared or equipped to deal with what the police routinely confront.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bobbo, arguing with the best</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-2/#comment-1558226</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbo, arguing with the best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558226</guid>
		<description>Fusion, your passion is making you sloppy.  A coach is not a cop.  I hope that is not your real thinking and you just got caught up in the moment?

All these things fall on various continuums.  The pure free speech issue is our right to post right here:  &quot;I hate cops.&quot; and not have the government retaliate.

The pure interfering with a cop performing his duites is jumping on his back and scratching his face while he is trying to arrest someone else.

Does this instant case fall at either end of this continuum or is it somewhere inbetween even if &quot;very near&quot; one end or the other?  Should such propinquity allow arrest subject to the judgment of the arresting cop or should all cops be subject to an objective standard?

I&#039;m ok with any rule/standard proposed.  You don&#039;t spit into the wind and you don&#039;t tug on Superman&#039;s cape, and you don&#039;t mess around with cops carrying guns who have been subjected to who knows what.

Intelligent people avoid cop confrontation unless they have other motives in mind.

Gates?  Professor Gates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fusion, your passion is making you sloppy.  A coach is not a cop.  I hope that is not your real thinking and you just got caught up in the moment?</p>
<p>All these things fall on various continuums.  The pure free speech issue is our right to post right here:  &#8220;I hate cops.&#8221; and not have the government retaliate.</p>
<p>The pure interfering with a cop performing his duites is jumping on his back and scratching his face while he is trying to arrest someone else.</p>
<p>Does this instant case fall at either end of this continuum or is it somewhere inbetween even if &#8220;very near&#8221; one end or the other?  Should such propinquity allow arrest subject to the judgment of the arresting cop or should all cops be subject to an objective standard?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ok with any rule/standard proposed.  You don&#8217;t spit into the wind and you don&#8217;t tug on Superman&#8217;s cape, and you don&#8217;t mess around with cops carrying guns who have been subjected to who knows what.</p>
<p>Intelligent people avoid cop confrontation unless they have other motives in mind.</p>
<p>Gates?  Professor Gates?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/31/the-1st-amendment-is-dead-guy-arrested-for-saying-he-hated-cops/comment-page-2/#comment-1558220</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=54395#comment-1558220</guid>
		<description>Shit!!! I forgot the link. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/cheerleader-sues-school-coach-after-illicit-facebook-log-in.ars&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit!!! I forgot the link. </p>
<p><a href="http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/07/cheerleader-sues-school-coach-after-illicit-facebook-log-in.ars" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Here.</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

