Oxford Hills Comprehensive High School will be the site of a National Guard riot control drill Thursday morning to prepare in the event of a panic over distribution of serum to treat the swine flu.
The school on Route 26 at the Paris-Norway [Maine] town line has been designated by state officials as a distribution site for the H1N1 flu vaccine. The drill is to prepare for a worst-case scenario should the serum have to be transported from Augusta and people rush to get it.
On Thursday morning, four or five National Guard Humvees will travel from Augusta to Paris with vials of fake serum. The National Guardsmen will take on the roles of panicked citizens and military police and practice what they would do, such as using tear gas, in the case of a riot.
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Plans were developed in April to have vials of serum sent from the federal government to Augusta, Parker said. From Augusta, the supplies will be transported to designated distribution centers.
During the April conference, concerns were raised about a possible out-of-control rush on the serum, Parker said. Because of that concern, Gov. John Baldacci and Gen. John Libby, adjutant general of the Maine National Guard, agreed that a plan should be devised to quell such a disturbance.
And just for Adam Curry, here is “evidence” that the Illuminati, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group in collusion with the drug companies are behind the swine flu epidemic. Why? To depopulate the US so third world countries can gain control via the U.N.
both found by Brother Uncle Don
#18 & #20
I still consider both burnt hands.
The history of man has been filled with both reasonable ideals and irrational fears. Sometimes they worked hand in hand.
And yes billions have died because of that interaction over the course of human history; but that would be considered the price of progress to some and misery to others.
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Mr Fusion, assuming that everyone who questions conventional wisdom is a nut is… well, nutty.
You must be talking some other country with only 45 swine flu deaths, in the US it was 353 this week. (Total, not just for this week.)
Funny, if there were no so-called death panels in HB3200 why did the Democrats announce today that they are removing that section from the final bill. They said it might be misconstrued or misused.
Misused is more likely.
Sarah Palin was right and the Democrats got it up the ass.
#22, Phydeau,
No no no!!! Challenging conventional wisdom is healthy. IF, … it is done intelligently. Just screaming “the sky is falling” or whatever with no, or little, evidence won’t convince anyone you have a valid argument.
Question mercury or squaline if it seems suspicious. At the same time though, accept that your challenge might be faulty and the prevailing science is much more solid than you initially thought.
From your previous posts I always thought you a critical thinker. I don’t believe I ever read a previous post where you advocated something without a firm basis. We disagree today but I still value your intelligent discourse, wisdom, and insight.
#23, Mr. Diesel
I think we might have both been wrong.
Data as of Aug. 13, 2009 shows shows 44,000 confirmed cases of swine flu in the United States with 436 deaths. In New Jersey, 1,463 cases have been confirmed with 16 deaths.
#24 Mr Diesel, a million wingnuts chanting “death panel” doesn’t make it so. People who have actually read the bills know that’s nonsense.
You’re thinking with the little head there, listening to Sarah Palin.
And btw, does anyone really believe it’s her writing those facebook screeds? The sentences are too grammatically correct for Caribou Barbie.
Mr Fusion, from the NIH website.
Adjuvant oils such as Bayol F (Incomplete Freund’s adjuvant: IFA) and squalene (MF59) have been used in human and veterinary vaccines despite poor understanding of their mechanisms of action. Several reports suggest an association of vaccination and various autoimmune diseases, however, few were confirmed epidemiologically and the risk of vaccination for autoimmune diseases has been considered minimal. Microbial components, not the adjuvant components, are considered to be of primary importance for adverse effects of vaccines. We have reported that a single intraperitoneal injection of the adjuvant oils pristane, IFA or squalene induces lupus-related autoantibodies to nRNP/Sm and -Su in non-autoimmune BALB/c mice. Induction of these autoantibodies appeared to be associated with the hydrocarbon’s ability to induce IL-12, IL-6, and TNF-alpha, suggesting a relationship with hydrocarbon’s adjuvanticity. Whether this is relevant in human vaccination is a difficult issue due to the complex effects of
vaccines and the fact that immunotoxicological effects vary depending on species, route, dose, and duration of administration. Nevertheless, the potential of adjuvant hydrocarbon oils to induce autoimmunity has implications in the use of oil adjuvants in human and veterinary vaccines as well as basic research. Copyright 2004 Elsevier SAS
Few? How many is “few”? One study? Two studies?
And btw, back at ya on the compliments.
Aaaaargh, line break alert! Rassin’ frassin’… sorry about that folks.
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Fusion, the new flavor of kool-aid. And free with your purchase the all-new stuffed blog troll.
I was born in ’50. That either means I’m not worth saving or I’m better off without the shot. Take your pick.
If the strain mutates, and it very well might, I’m not sure how much the shots will help.
By the way the number of cases is almost certainly way higher than the number of reported cases. Most cases are mild and people just stay home for a few days.
# 19 Mr. Fusion
Fair enough. I do read my comments before pressing submit, however I did not refer back to my previous one. So in the spirit of reconciliation, perhaps we are both being pompous, insulting, bastards.
I stand by the rest (except he 45 number).
# 20 (same)
Perhaps. Until we know the cause I can not be sure. The increase in autism is real. The (sometimes) irrational search by parents of sufferers is understandable. The fear of H1N1 is also understandable, it is however statistically irrational (currently).
To #4 I think it’s only fare to point out that the Obama administration has used the same ploy several times this year and tried to use it with the health care bill so it really isn’t the last time that ploy was used.
I agree the results have been staggeringly bad legislation in all such cases in which Congress has abdicated their Constitutional responsibilities.
#28, Phydeau,
Good reference. BUT, plainly put, I am not a biologist so I can not pass judgment upon this article and what it means. I do agree with your point about “a few”.
#31, doill,
Most cases are mild and people just stay home for a few days.
As of August 14, there were 436 deaths in the US and Flu season hasn’t hit yet.
Even if the strain does mutate, a vaccination will lessen the impact of the illness. It is only when the strain mutates a lot that the immunization doesn’t work. And sometimes a little is much better than nothing.
#32, LDA,
When an argument or opinion is backed up with factual reasoning, I enjoy them, regardless if I disagree. Since our first disagreement you have explained yourself well and I appreciate your position.
I tip my hat (ancient saying) to you sir.
#33, doill,
Here, let me fix that for you.
“The results have been disappointing when the right wing nuts have had to resort to making stuff up in order to rebut something they don’t have any true argument against.”
There, much better.
Don’t argue with conFusion, he’s a true believer…in socialism and will defend the right of the STATE over any individual rights. In fact he doesn’t believe in individual rights.
He’s the worst religious nut-job on this site. Ask him who signs his paycheck, the one he gets for posting here.