I think the gun mavens are too paranoid about this bill, but it is very onerous towards anyone who has any sort of firearm. Besides the tax on all guns owned one of the riders floating around makes it so you will have to list all your guns every year on your income tax form. This bill stems from a gang shooting that killed an honor student in Chicago. Does anyone think that the provisions in this bill would have kept a gun out of the hands of the gang member? It makes no sense. There seems to be a desire to leave the public helpless while gang members are armed to the teeth. How is that good? This bill was introduced earlier this year and now seems to be finally getting some attention.
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#59 Of course some of what I say is tongue and cheek. Some. At the same time I think what makes my country special is what de Tocqueville termed American exceptionalism. Some, including those in the States, take issue with that philosophy. So be it. I’ve traveled enough to believe this. Saying I have to live everywhere to compare is a bit much and a faulty notion.
And yes, many are jealous of America for its freedoms (one of which is the Second Amendment).
So I take issue with many who think the Second Amendment is laughable and, by extension, that Americans are foolish for exercising their rights. And you don’t have to be a so-called gun nut to appreciate the Second Amendment just as you don’t have to be a “Bible thumper” to appreciate the First Amendment.
OK, the civics lesson is over…so go out, have fun and remember you too could be here one day as part of the greatness.
Here’s an idea (the NRA will absolutely HATE!). They use to talk about these tiny tagen, that they wanted to add to explosive powders, in order to trace explosions to who bought the stuff. But it wasn’t practical because the number of tagens released would contaminate the environment with way too many of them. But why not require that all manufactured bullets contain a few tagens, that could be traced to whoever bought them. The great majority of people with guns, don’t make their own. Or know anyone that does make them. And anyone that does, could be jailed for selling untagened bullets, for the purpose of beating the trace. Even hunters and target shooters can’t argue that they need untagened bullets to enjoy their sport. And every time some damn gang goes spraying a community with bullets, to prove how fearful they are. They’ll leave a traceable trail off bullet sales. No gun barrel records needed. Besides, those can be altered after purchase. And not cleaning the gun, causes it to change too. But tagging the bullets, in a way that survives its use. Ties its use to is purchaser.
Anyone doing straw purchase sales of bullets for gang members, will get what they deserve when the cops come calling. It would be worth the risk to them, for the tiny profit of a box of bullets. And they’ll rat out the customers. And even the NRA, can’t argue that untampered bullet sales are protect by the US Constitution. Why would they object to tracing bullets that kill people? This is a no brainer solution.
And I’ll bet they could redesign bullets to be tougher to take apart, without destroying their charge or the shell. So gangs can’t just yank out the tagged bullets, and slip in sloppily made ones. Got to be easier that redesigning the guns themselves.
“It WOULDN’T be worth the risk to them, for the tiny profit of a box of bullets.”
Sorry that typo slipped by me. Hope you got my meaning from the context.
Sorry it took so long, but here is my reply.
Jägermeister and Awake, stop proving you have no clue.
I can’t believe you even posted proof positive of your ignorance. I suggest you fact check first.
I did.
Let’s start with this:
“The first divisional commander was SS Oberführer Fritz Witt… It is interesting to note that during their “shake down” training period in Beverloo, Belgium, many of the regularly expected training rules and regulations were tossed aside for the new SS troopers. The battle hardened Eastern front SS and Wehrmacht veterans taught the new HJ SS Panzer Grenadiers all they could … As a result, morale was at very high levels in the entire division throughout their time in Belgium…
Area of operations
Belgium (June 1943 – Mar 1944″
WHAT?? SS TROOPS IN BELGIUM??
The 1st SS Panzer division with troops 20,000 strong was stationed in where?? – BELGIUM??
Since you love wikipedia…
“The 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien was formed from the 5th SS Volunteer Sturmbrigade Wallonien which was a Belgian Waffen SS volunteer brigade comprising volunteers of Walloon background. It saw action on the Eastern Front during World War II.”
Where where they from?? – BELGIUM!!
“A number of volunteer Waffen-SS units from Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium fought in Narva, in what has been called by several authors the Battle of the European SS.”
Huh?? How could BELGIUM SS troops go to battle if there were no BELGIUM SS troops??
Please, Jägermeister and Awake, stop trying to prove it’s ok to be stupid.
Domestic bank accounts are insured by the FDIC and they are known by the IRS.
Automobiles are registered by state governments in a huge database that the Feds can search.
Deeds of land and houses are databased by county governments and are over 90% searchable for FREE on the internet. With your name, your spouse (most times) and your physical and mailing address (in case you don’t live at the site and rent it).
Births, marriages, divorces, adoptions, bankruptcies, arrests and deaths are all public knowledge as mandated by law.
Now tell me why registering your firearm is any more onerous or dangerous than any of these other things we allow in the government hands? Especially seeing how much of our personal land and homes with street addresses are available for FREE on the net?
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#65–cursor==first bad post I have seen you make. “Now tell me why registering your firearm is any more onerous or dangerous than any of these other things we allow in the government hands?” /// Because the fear is the Government will use the list to come and get your guns. And thats legitimate. Going to serve a warrant? Do a computer check first.
Also, on those issue you list, just be coincidence, the ownership/status of those things benefit from registration. Not so with guns.
#56 You distilled jelousy in that post. You must be a 12 year old girl. Now, I’ll be waiting for you to say that the US stole everything from you. C’mon say it, I know you can.
#59 OK, what’s your definition of a great country? Examples highly encouraged.
#65 Oh, I don’t know, because registering & taxing them will do squat for what they claim the bill will do?
Note to Everyone, don’t use #’s anymore, over time the numbers change and everyone is confused.
Maybe use the approximate # and include the name and few word snippit of what they said.
I’m just sayin’
What am I sayin?, wordpress or the blog or who knows what is going on… when there are a lot of comments going through the pipe the numbers change.
Could be a glitch or the “kind-of-captcha” or whatever.
Regardless, if you’re gonna talk crap about someone’s comment… I wanna be able to tell whose comment you are talking about.
In closing, If you state the name of the poster and the approximate # of the comment you are talking about… and a few word indicator of the post you are talking about… I can read and tell if you are either a dummy, or “spot on”
“In a perfect world” … whatever… Again, I’m just sayin…
In a perfect world we would all be able to understand what we are reading.
#64 – Ah_Yea
Your story is still fake.
Read this quote from your fake story:
This puts the story near the blitzkrieg on the Low Countries (May, 1940), correct? As I’ve told you before, no SS units took part in the attack on Belgium. And as for your “proof”… they’re all references to events that happened long after the attack:
Your 1st link: You even posted the time period yourself… June 1943 – Mar 1944
Your 2nd link: The references to the 1st SS being 20,000 strong was in June 1944.
Your 3rd link: The predecessor to the 5th/28th SS was formed in August 1941.
Your 4th link: The Battle of Narva was in 1944.
Sometimes it’s better to just accept that you’ve been fooled by a fake story than posting a stupid reply that shows off your ignorance.
Bobbo…
What the smeg prevents them from taking your house? Turning it upside down to try and find weapons and then holding said house as property of the state because you refuse to comply?
In the situation of martial law where they would want your guns, that would happen. And of course they know it is your house, they have the registration. They also know it is your car, your wife, your bank account, your children and the rest of your family. They even have your picture. Is you gun more valuable then all of the above?
It seems a bit overmuch to think that somehow your one or two guns, even IF they were m60s, could stave off the hordes of totalitarians that want your guns and won’t just load up a couple of 80mm rounds into your whole house.
Until you obtain a couple of RPGs you are not going to stop a well armed military assault if they want ANYTHING you have. It is pure nonsense. They don’t need to know IF you have a gun. They will just assume that if you don’t comply you are a rebel, armed and dangerous and therefore shoot to kill you and anyone with you.
Let them have your guns! We can always make them or use IEDs. Damn man there is more than one way to skin a facist!
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#68 Using names is more confusing. You wouldn’t know which post of said person you’re replying to. Both together is better.
This bill was originally HR-2666 last session. I’ve heard nothing about it on No Agenda either.
Jägermeister, get it together, man! You’re simply wrong but can’t admit it.
The article says “A year or two later, the blitzkrieg rolled across the Low Countries. … One day not long after … A squad of German SS troops banged on the door”
You then made the terrible mistake of:
A) Inferring that the SS troops were involved in the Blitzkrieg, and
B) Some weird interpretation for ‘one day not long after’
You are wrong on both counts.
First, where does the story state that SS troops were part of the Blitzkrieg? Show me.
Second, you seem to have some wonderful psychic understanding of the phrase “One day not long after”.
So, Jägermeister, just how long did the author intend to mean by “not long after”?
Remember, this story was related to Neil Knox in 1955, which he transcribed in 2000.
So who said “not long after”? Was it the Belgium 10 years after the incident, or was it Neil 45 years later?
You seem to know, so please impart to the rest of us mere mortals the light of your wisdom.
No? So…
You picked the most inane and trivial points of the story to try and disprove the entire account, and failed spectacularly.
In fact, you have proven the rabid and imbecilic response mechanism of the anti-gun group. Pick any frivolous point (such as ‘not long after’ to attack an honest, important, and personal account of a terrible tragedy which we all should take to heart for our own good.
You would have made a good goose-stepper since you obviously think it’s ok to trample the rights of the individual for the good of the Republic.
Sorry.
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#73 – Ah_Yea
When you’re in a hole… Stop digging!
And trying to paint me as a Nazi, because I point out your fake story doesn’t match historical facts, proves that you truly can’t argue the point I made.
And the story about the Belgian Corporal is still fake.
#73 You falsely assume a lefy will acknowledge when he’s wrong.
Pedro. I know. It’s sad…
Jägermeister. Ok, you say it’s a fake.
Why? Show me.
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#76 – Ah_Yea
It’s quite meaningless to repeat the facts to you again… you’re like Teflon… nothing sticks.
So, show me some facts. I disproved your illusions.
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Jägermeister, let’s take this one step further.
You wouldn’t be the SS officer, you would be the blind bureaucrat who passed out the order forcing registration of all the guns.
You may not actually kill the family, you would simply be the facilitator. You would create the means where others complete the horror.
You think it’s ok to give up personal freedoms for the greater good.
Fine for you. If you are in any way consistent and not entirely insane, you would also be a full supporter of the patriot act.
Why not? Isn’t the patriot act all about giving up personal freedom for security??
Don’t think this horror in the article couldn’t happen here.
Blacks historically were not allowed to protect themselves. They were forbidden to have firearms.
Lynchings, torture, wholesale murder, entire towns destroyed.
Equal rights means EQUAL RIGHTS. Including to right to defend yourself. The freedom to own guns were the foremost civil right given to minorities, and we are truly better for it.
That is what you want for the rest of us, isn’t it? Freedom and civil rights?
You’re for civil rights, aren’t you? After all, how can you secure your civil rights if you at the mercy of others?
Dvorak” too paranoid about this bill”
Dvorak, ‘I think the Jews are being too paranoid about these stars’; ‘It’s only a temporary relocation, we’re supposed to report to the local police department. Don’t be paranoid’.
Dvorak, ‘So they want to tax your guns every year, over and over. I live in a safe remote neighborhood, I don’t see a problem; don’t be paranoid.’
Dvorak, ‘I want free health care’, so that they can euthanize in about two years when I turn 65. Heck, I paid for some health care in Canada and it wasn’t a problem for me. You won’t have this option in the US, specifically if you’re poor, but don’t be paranoid.”
Dvorak is one of the biggest sell-outs of the public there ever was. All self-interest and no interest in the Republic or evidently any identifications with t this Nation or it’s people. He may not be a socialist, but he is typically of what is wrong with the leaders today. His head is in the sand unless he can make a buck.
Whatever………………………
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