Under the rules, swimmers – including non-Muslims – are barred from entering the pool in normal swimming attire. Instead they are told that they must comply with the “modest” code of dress required by Islamic custom, with women covered from the neck to the ankles and men, who swim separately, covered from the navel to the knees.
At Loxford School in Ilford, east London, a local Muslim group organises weekly sessions for Muslim men, with the warning that “it is compulsory for the body to be covered between the navel and the knees. “Anyone not adhering to the dress code or rules within the pool will not be allowed to swim”.
Discrimination against Muslims or Catholics or Jews isn’t OK, but against non-Muslims, go for it.
#19–Hugh==
Not sophistry, but still wrong. How can you say Christians don’t want to control your life now? /// Oh, they WANT TO but by electing not to take on the reigns of government, they can’t. Its the combining of government and religion, or rather displacing government and its power of coercion that marks the Muslims as dangerous. Not more stupid, just more dangerous.
Its what the Church is all about! Right to life, /// Roe v Wade is law of the land. Under attack, but Right to Life is NOT THE LAW.
taking your money, /// hmmm? Not really.
waging war on infidels, /// Huh?
hating your body, /// I love my body!!! or certain parts thereof. Doesn’t matter what I think though as long as I can fool the ladies.
hating gays etc. /// And yet gay marriage will be the rule soon.
All good Christian controlling values. /// and yet none control.
Heh, heh. I see sophistry is a stretch goal of yours?
Keep trying. Practice does make better.
There is no sense in resisting this huge cultural change. It can’t be stopped.
From Mark Steyn’s latest column:
In The Hague, variations of the name Mohammed have taken first, second and fifth place in the table of most popular names for boys.
The most popular names for newborn boys in Brussels, the capital city of the European Union, for 2006:
1) Mohamed
2) Adam
3) Rayan
4) Ayoub
5) Mehdi
6) Amine
7) Hamza
Islam is taking over Europe. The Europeans have used birth control to go the way of the Neanderthal.
#20 Bobbo
In behind all this guff is your assertion that the problem with Muslims is that their society is theocratic in nature, and that religious edit is enforced by law. A fair and worthy comment but I’m not sure it was worth the journey.
Sharia law is not applicable to and will not be adopted by Western governments. I’m not ever sure that many Muslims living in the West would want it.
Your argument that Muslims will eventually take over the West and install Sharia is a stretch at best. I see no evidence of this in my own country, and although there are many Muslims in Europe (but still only 3% of the population in Britain), its pretty unlikely to happen there as well.
Anyway, I fail to see how allowing Muslims to have Muslim only pool sessions puts the Western democratic system in jeopardy. Quite the opposite. It demonstrates its tolerance and goodwill and robustness.
#1 – bobbo – Do they have any nude swimming hours?
Boobs okay?
#3 – earlwallace – Islam is a very scary religion.
Religion is very scary.
#17 – NotPC – I think Muslims suck, their faith is a bunch of backward, inhibited and violent crap.
So is Christianity. It’s such a perverted piece of crap. How fucked up is “Eat the body of Christ”?! Organized virtual necrophilia.
# 21 jbenson2
I’m guessing you (and Mark Stenyn) didn’t take stats in school.
Moderator==please punish Jägermeister at Post #24 for his false and misleading link labeled “Boobs.” It goes to a website with not a single boob on it. Not even a reference to Alfie can be found there.
This is a waste of everyone’s time and suck links should get the user banned.
Speaking of a waste of time, we have #23–Hugh. Geeze. Numerator/Denominator==risk?
And you come back with more “absolutes.” Silly.
I also am quite comfortable with Muslims as a tiny minority. NOW–wrap your tensy brain around this======>>> what happens when they aren’t a minority???? Will you turn to blind assumptions or the facts I put in front of your face.
Yes, I know, you didn’t recognize a formula with an unknown to be provided as a fact.
ba – dump.
#26 Bobbo
“I also am quite comfortable with Muslims as a tiny minority. NOW–wrap your tensy brain around this======>>> what happens when they aren’t a minority????”
I dont know mate, what happens then? Bearded mullahs come round to your house and drag you children off to the mosque where they are ritually fed to Great Cthulhu? The White House is replaced by the Kaaba and Christians are forced to circle around it every year while being whipped by Imam’s? Women take to wearing false beard so they can attend public stonings?
Perhaps, like Christianity, Islam will lose its appeal and diminish in an increasingly materialist world.
Your speculation is pretty meaningless Bobbo. This is what the media does. Meaningless speculation based on fear of the unknown and reinforced with dodgy stats and hyperbole.
Interesting article along the lines of our discourse, Bobbo.
http://gallup.com/poll/104731/muslims-want-democracy-theocracy.aspx
Note, “In the United States, a 2006 Gallup Poll indicates that a majority of Americans want the Bible as a source of legislation.”
The only thing muslims should be bathing in is fire.
Oh, and you have to keep your left hand out of the water.
how funny code……….
Are you going for swimming or war????????????
#27–Hugh==how come we aren’t “connecting?” Gotta be connecting to have discourse.
1. “what happens when they aren’t a minority????”
I dont know mate, what happens then? /// Well, I think in the majority of Nations with a Muslim Majority of the Population, the Muslim’s take control and Merge religion and government and impose Sharia. In Saudi Arabia it is ILLEGAL to open a Christian Church. Is it illegal anywhere else in the world to open a Sharia Center???? Probably the answer is “yes” and it is a different Muslim Sect that has outlawed it????
I am using blanks because I don’t know the right number and unlike yourself, I avoid blanket statements went attempting discourse. Plus a whole lot more “study” would have to be dedicated to really get at the issue. I assume, but would accept not, that something more than merely being Muslim would account for the percentage of nations imposing that system on all its citizens??
Logically, it should be of concern to any thinking person. To dismiss it as a legitimate concern is suspicious–revealing some other motive or defect.
It is “hard” for a truly democratic spirit to recognize intolerance and its dangers. It involves embracing an inherent contradiction. Some people don’t have enough cranial folds to accomplish that task.
2. “Bearded mullahs come round to your house and drag you children off to the mosque where they are ritually fed to Great Cthulhu? /// Exactly–whenever they get around to taking over Guatamala (wherever). Actually, they only drag off the male children. Female children get a face full of acid and are told to stay home.
3. “Perhaps, like Christianity, Islam will lose its appeal and diminish in an increasingly materialist world.” /// Yes, completely possible, as is the opposite. The trend will be set and measured by the numerator/denominator, don’t you agree?
4. “Your speculation is pretty meaningless Bobbo.” /// Are you equating speculation and a request for consideration/calculation with meaningless because you can’t do the same? Thats not what the word means.
5. “This is what the media does. Meaningless speculation based on fear of the unknown and reinforced with dodgy stats and hyperbole. /// The media doesn’t do this enough, its not politically correct. Fear of the unknown is one issue, Fear of the KNOWN is another. Our future is a mix of the two. There are no dodgy stats–just a method for calculating them. Whatever the number, its not dodgy then either, just the basis for the consequential questions. 90% of cases claiming hyperbole are made when no other defense is available.
BORDERS ARE SET AND MAINTAINED to keep the enemy OUT. However the enemy might be defined. Once done, NO REASON AT ALL to allow said enemy in by way of emigration. Allowing people in your country, whatever country that is, who have an avowed belief in mandating State Enforced Religion are the enemy. Muslim, Pope, Jewish, Vegetarian==whatever. The paradox of freedom.
I always like stories like this. When I get down about how f-d up things are in the US, its the stories like this that make me feel good again.
why do you not mention the fact that there are only certain times in which this is enforced.
I’m not keen on it either, but your innitial post suggests that you can never go to the pool.
#32 Bobbo
Ahh and so we have it. Muslims are the ENEMY. This is the reason behind all your confused claptrap and magic numbers. Its Christian VS Muslim everyone. Heaven VS Paradise. Get your seats while you can.
#35–Gee Hugh==I STARTED at #7 with:
“Silly to allow non-tolerant fascist religions into any country. Keep them locked up festering in their own.” // YOU are the one that constantly argues with the ASSUMPTION this applies to all Muslims.
I suspect you are strongly a Fascist Muslim trying to nose his way in under the tent.
ALL I have asked for is an analysis of the question/risk. Its only once we have an answer that firm values apply.
Maybe a few more years in language school will give your cabal the covertness you really do need.
#36 Bobbo
When you talk about not allowing a religion into a country OF COURSE it applies to all followers of that religion. This is another example of confused thinking.
And the correct spelling is forest. I assume you’re not referring to Gump.
#37–Hugh==stop trying to confuse me. You can’t post all stupid and then alternate with a good sense of humor. OR – I guess your lack of consistency gets demonstrated 5-6 ways?
“When you talk about not allowing a religion into a country OF COURSE it applies to all followers of that religion.” /// Of course, thats right. But I don’t think monolithically–if there was only one Muslim religion of concern there would be no numerator and denominator. The arab muslim branch is much more theocratic than the Indonesia branch for instance. Religion/Sect/Group/Church/Leader–definitions are important.
I can’t spel, and I can’t tipe. Its all part of my anti-authoritarian complex.
#38 Bobbo
A reasonable attempt at a save but I’m afraid I’m gonna red card this thread. It has become irreparably tangled.