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	<title>Comments on: Is Dave Winer the biggest innovator of the web?</title>
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		<title>By: gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. he pioneered RSS  and clearly had a LOT to do with it&#039;s creation as we know it today.

2. yup, same. 

3. So what, I did too. 

4. Yea, so? 

5. Winer is not a Journalist, he&#039;s a op/ed writer. 

6. Yup, and he should go back to developing that platform. 

7. You forget. He also created MORE! which was the precursor to powerpoint and other outline based presentation tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. he pioneered RSS  and clearly had a LOT to do with it&#8217;s creation as we know it today.</p>
<p>2. yup, same. </p>
<p>3. So what, I did too. </p>
<p>4. Yea, so? </p>
<p>5. Winer is not a Journalist, he&#8217;s a op/ed writer. </p>
<p>6. Yup, and he should go back to developing that platform. </p>
<p>7. You forget. He also created MORE! which was the precursor to powerpoint and other outline based presentation tools.</p>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
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		<dc:creator>foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you actually click on the links you gave?
“RDF Site Summary, the first version of RSS, was created by Guha at Netscape in March 1999 for use on the My.Netscape.Com portal. This version became known as RSS 0.9.[4] In July 1999, Dan Libby of Netscape produced a new version, RSS 0.91,[2] which simplified the format by removing RDF elements and incorporating elements from Dave Winer’s scriptingNews syndication format”
And most of the other links are also way overstated.
RSS 2.0 *IS* dead, nobody uses it today (we use RSS 1 and Atom), he had nothing to do with PubSubHubBub, rssCloud has been vaporware for ages and he’s doing it wrong all over again.
Credit is given where it is due. He did help some things along but he’s not a genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you actually click on the links you gave?<br />
“RDF Site Summary, the first version of RSS, was created by Guha at Netscape in March 1999 for use on the My.Netscape.Com portal. This version became known as RSS 0.9.[4] In July 1999, Dan Libby of Netscape produced a new version, RSS 0.91,[2] which simplified the format by removing RDF elements and incorporating elements from Dave Winer’s scriptingNews syndication format”<br />
And most of the other links are also way overstated.<br />
RSS 2.0 *IS* dead, nobody uses it today (we use RSS 1 and Atom), he had nothing to do with PubSubHubBub, rssCloud has been vaporware for ages and he’s doing it wrong all over again.<br />
Credit is given where it is due. He did help some things along but he’s not a genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Somebody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! That&#039;s an impressive list of contributions!

I guess I&#039;d really admire him if he wasn&#039;t Jewish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! That&#8217;s an impressive list of contributions!</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d really admire him if he wasn&#8217;t Jewish.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does everything have to be so extreme? Why does Winer have to be either a genius or an idiot? 

Apparently, he is not a particularly charming individual. I know very little about him. Specifically, I heard him on TWiT once and I hated his guts right away, even though he was introduced by Leo as some kind of genius and described a very interesting (and outrageous) problem he had with Apple and his notebook&#039;s hard disk. I don&#039;t like Apple, but that was certainly not enough to overcome the strong, negative impression I had of him. I also checked a few of his articles afterwards and did indeed detect a fair bit of arrogance.

Winer is just a tech guy doing a pretty good job. I don&#039;t looove his &quot;inventions&quot;, but it seems an awful lot of people do. That&#039;s pretty good credentials to me. Apparently, Einstein wasn&#039;t such a nice fellow either. That&#039;s their business, no one else&#039;s. We don&#039;t need to be their friends, we just need every guy out there constantly wearing a thinking cap and coming up with ideas, especially since there are so few of them.

The whole problem is this article:

1. He invented RSS. No, he didn&#039;t!

2. What is the big deal about &quot;pioneering&quot; something on the Internet? That&#039;s as annoying as those silly characters who use the &quot;I&#039;ve been around since BBS&quot; line as credentials in their online discussions. I spend a lot of time on the Internet, too. I must have &quot;pioneered&quot; a lot of stuff that became very popular or remained totally obscure. What&#039;s the big deal? Is this a gold rush where you get dibs on exploration of stuff you didn&#039;t create yourself to begin with?

3. He knew people would love Twitter in 2001. &quot;He knew&quot;? He just chose a format that he liked and &quot;he knew&quot;? Then how come he didn&#039;t invest a lot more on that idea? Give me a break. That page is not even that similar to Twitter. It&#039;s something quite different. How about another theory: Winer didn&#039;t really have a clue. Someone else saw that page (or some other) and came up with Twitter. Who in fact created what?

The article sticks firmly to this idea that Winer &quot;pioneered&quot; stuff so he is a genius. So someone invents the wheel, you like the wheel, you use the wheel and - bang - YOU are a genius? The overall tone of this article is quite silly.

Jägermeister #7 #13, either someone is using your screen name or you form an opinion amazingly fast!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everything have to be so extreme? Why does Winer have to be either a genius or an idiot? </p>
<p>Apparently, he is not a particularly charming individual. I know very little about him. Specifically, I heard him on TWiT once and I hated his guts right away, even though he was introduced by Leo as some kind of genius and described a very interesting (and outrageous) problem he had with Apple and his notebook&#8217;s hard disk. I don&#8217;t like Apple, but that was certainly not enough to overcome the strong, negative impression I had of him. I also checked a few of his articles afterwards and did indeed detect a fair bit of arrogance.</p>
<p>Winer is just a tech guy doing a pretty good job. I don&#8217;t looove his &#8220;inventions&#8221;, but it seems an awful lot of people do. That&#8217;s pretty good credentials to me. Apparently, Einstein wasn&#8217;t such a nice fellow either. That&#8217;s their business, no one else&#8217;s. We don&#8217;t need to be their friends, we just need every guy out there constantly wearing a thinking cap and coming up with ideas, especially since there are so few of them.</p>
<p>The whole problem is this article:</p>
<p>1. He invented RSS. No, he didn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>2. What is the big deal about &#8220;pioneering&#8221; something on the Internet? That&#8217;s as annoying as those silly characters who use the &#8220;I&#8217;ve been around since BBS&#8221; line as credentials in their online discussions. I spend a lot of time on the Internet, too. I must have &#8220;pioneered&#8221; a lot of stuff that became very popular or remained totally obscure. What&#8217;s the big deal? Is this a gold rush where you get dibs on exploration of stuff you didn&#8217;t create yourself to begin with?</p>
<p>3. He knew people would love Twitter in 2001. &#8220;He knew&#8221;? He just chose a format that he liked and &#8220;he knew&#8221;? Then how come he didn&#8217;t invest a lot more on that idea? Give me a break. That page is not even that similar to Twitter. It&#8217;s something quite different. How about another theory: Winer didn&#8217;t really have a clue. Someone else saw that page (or some other) and came up with Twitter. Who in fact created what?</p>
<p>The article sticks firmly to this idea that Winer &#8220;pioneered&#8221; stuff so he is a genius. So someone invents the wheel, you like the wheel, you use the wheel and &#8211; bang &#8211; YOU are a genius? The overall tone of this article is quite silly.</p>
<p>Jägermeister #7 #13, either someone is using your screen name or you form an opinion amazingly fast!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Morton</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/16/is-dave-winer-the-biggest-innovator-of-the-web/comment-page-2/#comment-1564736</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m disappointed to see an experienced tech journalist like yourself spread the falsehood that Dave Winer invented RSS.

Dan Libby and Ramanthan V. Guha at Netscape created the first version of RSS in March 1999. Winer created ScriptingNews format, an early syndication attempt he scrapped when he switched over to RSS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disappointed to see an experienced tech journalist like yourself spread the falsehood that Dave Winer invented RSS.</p>
<p>Dan Libby and Ramanthan V. Guha at Netscape created the first version of RSS in March 1999. Winer created ScriptingNews format, an early syndication attempt he scrapped when he switched over to RSS.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s wrong with Dave&#039;s design? It&#039;s actually similar to yours, John, but minus the ads. I happen to like the simplicity and functionality of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with Dave&#8217;s design? It&#8217;s actually similar to yours, John, but minus the ads. I happen to like the simplicity and functionality of it.</p>
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		<title>By: sargasso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/16/is-dave-winer-the-biggest-innovator-of-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1564626</link>
		<dc:creator>sargasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimme a GPS receiver that RSS&#039;s it&#039;s co-ordinates. There, another example of the usefulness of this guy&#039;s idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimme a GPS receiver that RSS&#8217;s it&#8217;s co-ordinates. There, another example of the usefulness of this guy&#8217;s idea.</p>
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		<title>By: TonyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TonyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where would podcasting be without RSS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would podcasting be without RSS?</p>
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		<title>By: jbenson2</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/16/is-dave-winer-the-biggest-innovator-of-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-1564581</link>
		<dc:creator>jbenson2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several of these postings do a great job of explaining Winer&#039;s total lack of social skills when dealing with other human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several of these postings do a great job of explaining Winer&#8217;s total lack of social skills when dealing with other human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: jccalhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>jccalhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In essence, I HAVE A LIFE! And this dude ain’t part of it.&lt;/i&gt;
Way to take time our of your life to post on a website and show us just how much of a life you have!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In essence, I HAVE A LIFE! And this dude ain’t part of it.</i><br />
Way to take time our of your life to post on a website and show us just how much of a life you have!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t use ANY of that crap! I strictly use a browser when I want to connect to cyber-space since THAT&#039;S ALL THAT&#039;S NEEDED! In fact, I&#039;m using one now - go figure. I&#039;ve also turned off all my cell phone data since I&#039;m not some &quot;brown nose&quot; who&#039;s electronically tethered to my boss&#039;s butt nor anyone else&#039;s butt too! Believe it or not, I use a phone, cell or otherwise, to TALK to people!

Using RSS or checking the &quot;tweets&quot; is rather pointless and an incredible waste of time. This guy is no &quot;visionary.&quot; That is unless you consider his genius for marketing time wasting tech to the clueless masses who gobble it up like turkeys in late October.

In essence, I HAVE A LIFE! And this dude ain&#039;t part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t use ANY of that crap! I strictly use a browser when I want to connect to cyber-space since THAT&#8217;S ALL THAT&#8217;S NEEDED! In fact, I&#8217;m using one now &#8211; go figure. I&#8217;ve also turned off all my cell phone data since I&#8217;m not some &#8220;brown nose&#8221; who&#8217;s electronically tethered to my boss&#8217;s butt nor anyone else&#8217;s butt too! Believe it or not, I use a phone, cell or otherwise, to TALK to people!</p>
<p>Using RSS or checking the &#8220;tweets&#8221; is rather pointless and an incredible waste of time. This guy is no &#8220;visionary.&#8221; That is unless you consider his genius for marketing time wasting tech to the clueless masses who gobble it up like turkeys in late October.</p>
<p>In essence, I HAVE A LIFE! And this dude ain&#8217;t part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: FriendsOfDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>FriendsOfDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daves a great guy if you follow a few simple rules. 

1. Dave talks to you not with you.

2. No one is as smart as Dave, just ask him.

3. If Dave doesn&#039;t know something then it isn&#039;t worth knowing.

4. Everyone but Dave is either an idiot or a retard.

Remember and follow these rules and you&#039;ll be his best friend in no time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daves a great guy if you follow a few simple rules. </p>
<p>1. Dave talks to you not with you.</p>
<p>2. No one is as smart as Dave, just ask him.</p>
<p>3. If Dave doesn&#8217;t know something then it isn&#8217;t worth knowing.</p>
<p>4. Everyone but Dave is either an idiot or a retard.</p>
<p>Remember and follow these rules and you&#8217;ll be his best friend in no time!</p>
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		<title>By: msbpodcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>msbpodcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He DID do all the crap he is credited for, he was the FIRST to do it (thank your stars he did,) and no, he is not the most even-tempered man you could want to meet because he does not suffer fools gladly.

RSS is essential to syndication and nobody thinks that they can do without it, except idiots and ignorant, petulant children who&#039;s grasp of tech is flimsy.

And he knew it wouldn&#039;t take off without being given away because it was too &quot;way out there.&quot; So he gave it away and that also pissed him off.

He&#039;d had a idea and the only way it would fly would be is he wasn&#039;t trying to make a buck off of it. (That would have been the death knell for RSS.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He DID do all the crap he is credited for, he was the FIRST to do it (thank your stars he did,) and no, he is not the most even-tempered man you could want to meet because he does not suffer fools gladly.</p>
<p>RSS is essential to syndication and nobody thinks that they can do without it, except idiots and ignorant, petulant children who&#8217;s grasp of tech is flimsy.</p>
<p>And he knew it wouldn&#8217;t take off without being given away because it was too &#8220;way out there.&#8221; So he gave it away and that also pissed him off.</p>
<p>He&#8217;d had a idea and the only way it would fly would be is he wasn&#8217;t trying to make a buck off of it. (That would have been the death knell for RSS.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10 - qb - &lt;i&gt;As for inventing things, I’m not so sure. However he is amazingly good at spotting trends and self promotion – two skills not to be underestimated.&lt;/i&gt;

That pretty much sums up my opinion about him as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 &#8211; qb &#8211; <i>As for inventing things, I’m not so sure. However he is amazingly good at spotting trends and self promotion – two skills not to be underestimated.</i></p>
<p>That pretty much sums up my opinion about him as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Yates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Yates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who only knows Mr. Winer through his accomplishments and his Tweets. I have a great admiration for his work and despise him as a human being for what he stands for personally.

Thanks Asshole, and I mean it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who only knows Mr. Winer through his accomplishments and his Tweets. I have a great admiration for his work and despise him as a human being for what he stands for personally.</p>
<p>Thanks Asshole, and I mean it.</p>
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