31379p.pdf application/pdf Object — If you ever want to read a government report, read this. The mainstream media has been taking bits and pieces from this report over the last week or so but never linking readers to the report itself. Here it is. Outstanding.
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Also, re#17, bobbo If you ever come to actually understand what I clearly wrote,…”
Why is it that when someone disagrees with you, you think it must be that they are too dumb to understand your superior wisdom?
I understood you perfectly, and thats how I came to disagree with you… a simple concept. You often have interesting and informative posts Bobbo, but your superiority complex just takes the shine off.
#20 JimR
The biggest problem with being addicted to heroin is its illegality and high cost. Many people, who have decent incomes, can maintain a heroin (or cocaine, speed etc) addiction and remain a (relatively) normal citizen.
I’m not saying that maintaining an addiction to these drugs is desirable, I believe in all things in moderation, but that their illegality is causing more harm than the addiction itself.
Drug use is not evil or immoral. Its normal human behaviour. Building a prison society propped up by drug offenders is clearly immoral and evil.
they are closely related.
#21–JimR==”Why is it that when someone disagrees with you, you think it must be that they are too dumb to understand your superior wisdom?
I understood you perfectly, //// Then you did not argue perfectly. I said “A” you said “Not A” as if “A” was never said. I you understood perfectly, then you have the opportunity to argue perfectly by saying “You are wrong about “A” for the following reasons: then you list them.
Easy. And, yes, I am superior. Superior in many ways. Each ratchet on the cog secured by making a mistake and learning from it, usually by some kind soul pointing out the error and telling me how to do better and that I could do it.
I sense YOU can do better JimR. Now, give it a try?
Where is that line “pomposity?” Always good to know where those pesky lines are.
Ya know it takes a lot of some special chemicals, besides the plants they grow down there, to make these drugs. And most of them come from just a handful of industrial chemical manufacturers, who are all known to governments worldwide. And yet, little (or nothing) is done to control the flow of these solvents and such, to these south american drug cartels. Apparently its only illegal to traffic in the finished product. But a good, high profit business (to be protected), to traffic in the components.
This sh*t will only end when we get serious and make drug abuse more unpopular than doing one’s taxes or visiting the dentist (or makeup school work, during summer). But the entertainment media still glamorizes it all, in movies and music (gangster rap?). They’re still keeping what killed Michael Jackson, a big mystery. To protect their music sales profits, no doubt. Just like they did of Elvis and Morrison. Always protecting a bottom line, rather than the health of everyone else, by softening the blow of drug abuse of various celebrity idols.
24 Glenn E.
“This sh*t will only end when we get serious and make drug abuse more unpopular than doing one’s taxes or visiting the dentist (or makeup school work, during summer)”
Unfortunately for your argument, taking drugs is (mostly) fun. Good luck with that.
Drug abuse, on the other hand, is like TV abuse, computer game abuse and hamburger abuse. Its bad for you.
This sh*t will only end when we get serious and make drug abuse more unpopular than doing one’s taxes
The energy crises will only end when we get serious and make wasting energy more unpopular than doing one’s taxes, or
The water crises will only end when we get serious and make wasting water more unpopular than doing one’s taxes.
Do you see the rather empty content of your approach? BECAUSE====I rather enjoy doing my taxes each year. I get it wrong and a penalty each year, but I still enjoy it.
This sh*t will only end when we get serious and make laws on issues that have great popular support. ie, stop making popular activities illegal. Let people be free to screw up their own lives rather than the government doing it for them.
No mention of CIA, that means the report is fake. All the reports I have read regarding illegal drugs state: “CIA has a long history in illegal drugs business…”. I have to mention that those reports talk about international money laundering and arms sales, but drug production/trafficing is how lot of that money is generated.
@bobbo, of many zingers
I rather enjoy doing my taxes each year. I get it wrong and a penalty each year, but I still enjoy it.
That explains a lot. You are a masochist.
#28–Improb==not really. It just amuses me what with my education, love of reading, and quite a few accounting classes, AND a fairly simple income/expense portfolio that I CAN’T FILE A LONG FORM RETURN.
So, every year by doing my own taxes, I get real world reinforcement as to how F’ed Up our government is. Keeps it real for me whenever I think: “What we really need is a good government program==as in health care.”
Its my sense of humor.=====as so much of what I post is.
Bobbo, as usual you sidestep the issues when confronted. You say cocaine will be grown/made in backyards. I say the process is too dangerous and complicated for that to happen. You say… nothing… to counter point, but instead resort to insults, misinformation about my posts, and self worship.
Typical of a fraud, and not worthy of my respect. Every time I attempt to have a reasonable discussion with you, I am disappointed in your lack of evidence and ability (or willingness) to actually defend your sometimes very weak arguments.
So in lieu of that, I won’t bother with you any more.
Hah, hah. Poor ol’ JimR. I guess you really don’t know what the subject of a sentence is or the theme of a paragraph?
Without trying to find your specific reference in the pile of dead red herrings, I do recall saying that high prices could be kept down by growing MJ and Poppies in my garden. I can see doing that for MJ because it is a nice looking plant, and maybe for brownies, but my pink lungs are for breathing sweet non-polluted air. Still, home grown MJ would provide quite a high percentage of the market.
As to Poppies==I was really thinking of growing the leaves to suck on as an appetite suppressant. But again==should the market price get too high, again the home-grown could provide some price competititon.
IF there was a lot of violence surrounding alcohol and tobacco production today, I would be concerned of your issue. As there is no such element, your concerns don’t rise to legitimate.
JimR==don’t learn from the kind souls around you who offer help. Stay just the perfect way you are.
If you can grow pot you don’t need to grow anything else. Seriously, it is easier than brewing beer or fermenting wine.
Bobbo, Re wher you said: “how will marijuana and cocaine maintain a high price when both can be grown in my garden?”
Now you are changing it to “growing MJ and Poppies in my garden.”
See how dishonest you are? You can fool some people Bobbo, but now but your thin facade is more transparent than ever.
And by the way, you can try if you like, but you can’t grow cocaine… cocoa leaves maybe… if you can manage the growing conditions.
re: #33, Damn, that should be coca leaves.
Improbus, I have no problem with pot or its occasional use if that’s your desire, but allowing the wholesale distribution of cocaine and heroin would be disastrous. Bobbo keeps citing alcohol as a comparison. Alcohol is legal, but I don’t see many people distilling their own whiskey, vodka, or gin. They would rather pay the high price and get a better product. Same with cocaine. It’s not easy to make. Decriminalizing it’s distribution might make it cheaper, but drug lords would still have a big stake and the destruction it would cause would be extremely expensive to everyone. Try making cocaine when you are stoned all the time.
#33–Jimmy the R==I said “by memory” that means I don’t care enough to look it up because it is off point.
But I used to be a big gardener and currently grow about 10 different herbs. You are telling me illiterate poor Afghan farmers can grow fields of poppies, but I can’t? What skill/knowledge/environmental requirements would I be lacking??? My neighbor down the street is Afghan. Could he not grow it either???
Whatever. The original issue was comparing the nature of the harm caused by the illegality of drugs compared to the harm caused by making drugs legal.
What you see with legal alcohol is lots of people with small wineries as the barrier to entry is quite low. I’ve made my own beer. Yes, I’d rather buy it and my town has many micro-breweries.
Same with the other drugs.
When they created that map, they forgot to put the biggest arrow of all, labeled “DEMAND” flowing from the US to all those countries.
We want it, we get it, no matter what the price. It’s the miracle of capitalism.
What’s our vector, Victor?
Criminals are the real capitalists. Republicans just give capitalism lip service to so they can pass laws that benefit their corporate masters.
As to these other hard illegal drugs … what happens in the future when these and other drugs are pharm’d by bacteria. Instead of bio-fuel think bio-drugs. The ability to manipulate life on that level is closer than you think and it will be able to be done with a graduate student’s knowledge. There are people out there that are bio-engineering in garages right now.
Sigh, Bobbo I said nothing about poppies. I grow several varieties myself.
The more sophisticated drugs, however, will still be made by those with connections and the drug lords will survive.
Interesting that you are using poppies as an example though. Poppies are easy and legal to grow. Opium poppies are widely grown here and nothing is said because of their ornamental use. Opium doesn’t even make the top 10 most dangerous drugs.
Bottom line, I don’t think throwing a drug addict in jail merely for procession is meaningful, just as you.
A dealer?.. yes and throw away the key.
Legalize the use of heroin, barbiturates, cocaine, methadone and the like? … no way in hell.
I really don’t want to be at odds with you Bobbo, we aren’t all that different in our beliefs on just about everything else.
A truce and tolerate each other?