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@bobbo
I have no problem with vaccines. I have problems with non-transparent pharmaceutical companies and government agencies that in the end can not be held accountable if something goes wrong. The problem is that government and corporations can not be trusted.
Also, why is there such a hurry? Do they know something we do not? The argument that the virus MAY mutate is a very thin argument. How about a more substantial reason. Any substantial reason.
#21–Improb==thanks for a thoughtful response. Stil . . . . . .
1. “The problem is that government and corporations can not be trusted.” /// Yet you have nothing against vaccines. Seems like you think there is some kind of contradiction/interaction here? Vaccine effectiveness has been and will be demonstrated all the while the government is obtuse, corrupt, inefficient, and never to be trusted. Whats your point?
2. “Also, why is there such a hurry? Do they know something we do not? The argument that the virus MAY mutate is a very thin argument. How about a more substantial reason. Any substantial reason.” /// I was going to parse this, but its all really one issue. Its been posted on this blog MANY times. If you have to ask the question again, you are acting just like “Tommie the Groundhog”==post appears reasonable in a vacuum but the very same issues have been discussed before. How can a thinking person not respond to information already asked for and received? This applies to Tommie, hope it never applies to you.
This particular specific H1N1 Swine Flu contains many of the same genetic components of the very dangerous 1918 Flu Pandemic that killed millions. So far–ie the first initial outbreak, this flu and the 1918 flu have acted the same way too. Very Mild to begin with, then mutates to become very virulent. It takes TIME to develop, make, distribute the vaccine. The flu can kill in 3 days from initial symptoms. Its a case of prepare as best you can while you can. Lots of other issues, but this is the base line. Do you wait to make bullets after the indians attack or do you wisely stock up when the skies are blue?
@bobbo
So basically your argument is this: better safe than sorry. Does that about sum it up? By the way, I would have no problem taking a vaccine if I trusted producers of that vaccine not to cut corners or try other nefarious strategies to maximize their profit and minimize their risk.
If, hypothetically, the CDC produced the vaccine in house and didn’t out source it I would feel better about taking it. I don’t think the government is evil just stupid. For the most part government scientists are the exception.
#23–Improb==your summary is a bit off center. But what rational person would not rather be “Safe than Sorry?” unless your goal is suicide, auto-eroticism by Munchhausen, or a self consuming paranoia?
Yes, life is full of risk. Risk everywhere. Risk in every decision made, not made, avoided, put off.
I think “risk-assessment” can be more finally tuned as an individual than what the generic risk might be for the larger population. Flu is a function of contact with other hoomans.
If I live in a deep dark hole and never came out, I would not get the vaccine. But sadly, I live among men and men are a contagious filthy lot to deal with.
We do need a flu that only infects those too stupid to take a vaccine. THAT really would cure many of our social ills.
They aren’t using the right stimulus to get folks hepped up about the vaccination. When everyone finds out it has different effects on men and women they will be lining up to get the shot. .. On Men it makes your dick grow and stiffen faster. .. Women get bigger tits. .. But they are waiting until fall to offer these shots as it wears off after a few months. .. There ya go Cialis with you 4 hours, the govt is doing a 90 day job that last all winter. .. See the great knowledge you can obtain just by reading DU, fayth and begorra helps.
@noname
Citing Alex Jones as a source of information is like citing a Snapple cap in a research paper! Now take that silly tinfoil hat off and stop embarrassing yourself.
#26, Mr. Hyper,
What is wrong with Snapple caps? If you banned them how would all the right wing nuts pass grade 5?
In light of all the anti-vaccination hype running through the general populace, it might behoove public health officials to spend some precious research dollars to find the critical threshold wherein herd immunity to the current H1N1 strain could be gained. The public relations war against anti-vaccination folks does not seem winnable. Major fallout from this debate should come to a head when a majority of public schools open next week. Of course, all the pandemic talk and vaccination hoopla has made me somewhat popular at social gatherings for a change — keep the ‘debate’ going, its helping my social life!
# 26 Hyperkinetic,
You are right about Alex Jones. He is a confirmed nut-case.
I am not sure about the Snapple caps that # 27 Mr. Fusion has so fixated on.
This is one of the first times someone (# 26 Hyperkinetic) found my sarcasm so sublime, they took it seriously. (plz see
post # 16)
With a little more sarcastic practice, I am sure I will have everyone believing the bizarre. Wow, that is just powerful.
#29, noname,
I am not sure about the Snapple caps that # 27 Mr. Fusion has so fixated on.
It was a case of sarcastic humor. I’m sorry it was over your head. Maybe you got your statistics education from them. I wouldn’t know since I don’t think I’ve ever drank a Snapple.
Vaccines are POISON. The only one[s] who benefit from vaccines are PHARMACEUTICALS. Lots of Vitamin D will protect you from the flu and many other diseases. DON’T be fooled by paid off media hype. STOP the sickening assault on humanity.