#10, Bobbo “But you transition to the equivalency of the parties. There are indeed many similarities if not mostly similarities, but on the notion of appealing to the dimmest of the electorate, that partisan activity does belong to the Repuglicans and their running dogs”
So the distinction that gets everyone so heated against them is that they lie to a stupider (in your opinion) group of people? I was kind of hoping there would be more to all this partisanship, something worth getting all upset about.
I assume the republicans out there are going to weigh in and tell me that no, it’s the democrats who are lying to stupid people?
Personally, it seems to me that people who want power are going to lie to us all to get it. Anytime we believe them, and give them the power they seek, we’re the stupid ones. That is something worth getting upset about.
Unless of course they belong to the same club or party or whatever subgroup I identify with. Then they are right against all accusation and anyone who agrees with them is stupid.
#21–No6==”So the distinction that gets everyone so heated against them is that they lie to a stupider (in your opinion) group of people?” /// Let me take the gravamen of your position on from opposing views, then you can decide to take one of them on, both, or add to the dialectic.
1. Yes. But, who said anyone was “heated?” It doesn’t upset me if that is what heated means. Rather, it amuses me. Who is responding to the Death Panel? Who is a Birther? A Deather? A Tea-Bagger. The Astro-turfers? Not exclusively, but mostly they are all Repuglican true believers or those who follow on from their talking points. Now, No6—be honest now—-are these people smarter or dumber than those who dismiss these issues as gibberish?
2. No. Both parties lie to their base but the Repug base responds more to the more stupid, more easily disproved, more objectively fanciful, than does the Dem base. Do the Repugs “lie to” a dimmer group? The best I can do is make the foregoing thin distinction. A Repuglican probably can’t see it, but I do assume you will. Not every Repug is a cartoon.
#23 I don’t know if a third party would help. The problem is actually the way people think, their core values. Government officials are as corrupt and agotists as corporate worms.
Until this kind of views on what reaching a power position means, you can have 100 parties and the problem will live on.
Someone who believes a Republican position is a dumb sheep.
Someone who believes a Democrat position spent a lot of time intelligently weighing the sides and happened to come to the same brilliant conclusion.
The gospel according to Bobbo states this is always true, without fail.
That about sum it up?
I mean, to me, the sheep is anyone that believes any of the bullshit that comes out of any politicians mouth. I guess I was mistaken about the informed insights of the perfect Democrat party. Perhaps your biting wit of always referring to the Republicans as Repugnicans should have clued me into your superior kindness and intelligence.
Hilarious! The video is good too. More amusing are the poor stupid slobs (you know who you are!) trying to blame the other party. They are the idiots this video is trying to teach. They will never learn, and the politicians keep fucking everyone over.
#5, #7 You know how to tell someone totally partisan to the point they are completely blind to reality with an absolutely closed mind from somebody that is open to reason and cares about facts?
Somebody criticizes the government and what its being doing for the last, oh, lets say 30 or so years, and the partisans say really stupid things like the person is a Bush/Palin supporter.
There is nothing in that recording to suggests this person supports any party or any person though I wouldn’t be shocked if they were a Libertarian.
The video was low key and funny as heck.
I can go with what #23 said.
What has turned off a heck of lot of Americans is what Obama and his appointees have said on video and in their own published works. Many are socialists/Marxists/global warmers with the intent of redistributing the wealth even when doing so will kill jobs by the million and they don’t always bother to beat around the bush about saying it. Many of the views expressed are shocking to non socialist/marxists. The green jobs czar and the FCC guys stand out here for being open about their views but they aren’t the only ones. Even Obama hasn’t always shied away from publicly expressing his views either. There are a lot of very interesting videos of him expressing his personal beliefs.
I would add that some of their expressed views would shock those socialists who don’t use spread sheets to decide how much a human life is worth.
Then of course there are the bills they got run through Congress unread and the Welfare for GM bill called cap and trade that’s pretty much bought them two networks though I do admit GM management seems to be socialist anyway though not with their own employees.
Did I say anything about what the Republicans said? No? There’s a reason. I don’t care what other people said about the Obamians! I care about what these socialist/Marxist have said and done!
What they have said and done isn’t a myth and gentlemen it isn’t going away! Their response to charges that they were giving access to individuals citizens bank records/tax records to concerned parties was to say its a myth you will still have the ability to access and use your bank accounts. I heard the audio in person. They didn’t even bother to deny what was in the bills they just answered a charge not made. That’s called attacking the strawman.
Strawman tactics can be effective if people fall for it but people aren’t falling for it because what Obamians and the socialist members of the House and Senate are saying and doing is on the record in video, in publications they created, and in the bills they have passed and the deeds they have done!
That’s more than enough to piss off the majority of Americans even if the Republicans simply sat it out which they seemed to be doing for a while. Of course that was because socialists own most of the media and they were largely able to shut out anyone that disagreed with them.
The Conservatives/libertarians were actually screaming their heads off but other than having a few radio stations they don’t have much of a media outlet and the FCC guy is planning on taking that away from them. He said so. It has been duly recorded in his own words.
On course one very big socialist came out and warned this spending spree is going to break the nations piggy bank which means no money for jack and including social welfare but the evidence suggests that he no longer has influence with Obamians now that they have the power.
Then of course we have the bill before Congress to allow Obama to shut down all or part of the net when he feels like it. A bill like that is something I’d expect in Iran.
I can’t say I’d have thought Congress would have gone for a bill like that in my youth but then the unreasonable and imprudent people running Congress, both parties and for decades, no longer have the respect of anyone with a brain because of what they have said and done. I can believe they’d vote for anything.
The question people need to ask is this: Is Obama, based on the actions, words, and deeds of himself and those he has surrounded himself with and put in his administration taking the nation anywhere you want to go? It the answer is Yes! Then support him. If the answer is NO! Then go to work making that clear!
#27–BitBass==sometimes I will respond to a person who doesn’t have my position, what I said quite right, but YOU are just making shit up. If you have any continuing interest in what I actually said, copy and paste the sentence, respond to what was said, and we can debate. I’ll show you how not to argue with yourself in my response to do-ill.
#29–do-ill==”You know how to tell someone totally partisan to the point they are completely blind to reality with an absolutely closed mind from somebody that is open to reason and cares about facts?” /// Read one of your posts?
“Somebody criticizes the government and what its being doing for the last, oh, lets say 30 or so years, and the partisans say really stupid things like the person is a Bush/Palin supporter.” /// Nobody said that until just now, YOU.
3. “There is nothing in that recording to suggests this person supports any party or any person though I wouldn’t be shocked if they were a Libertarian.” /// Don’t you contradict yourself here or are you divining your LIEBERTARIAN suspicions from “nothing?” Also, I said the same thing and did give “something” at Post#7 & 10.
Do-ill your continue your style of being excessively wordy while saying nothing except to contradict yourself.
Noname #–31 thru 34==I CANNOT CONNECT TO YOUR LINKS.
This “may be” the editor reforming the long url into a short one?
The main reason I come here is to blow hard, but the second reason is to read the links others thoughtfully provide. I hope that functionality is not lost like the “recent posts” feature as this blog continue to improve the service.
#10, Bobbo “But you transition to the equivalency of the parties. There are indeed many similarities if not mostly similarities, but on the notion of appealing to the dimmest of the electorate, that partisan activity does belong to the Repuglicans and their running dogs”
So the distinction that gets everyone so heated against them is that they lie to a stupider (in your opinion) group of people? I was kind of hoping there would be more to all this partisanship, something worth getting all upset about.
I assume the republicans out there are going to weigh in and tell me that no, it’s the democrats who are lying to stupid people?
Personally, it seems to me that people who want power are going to lie to us all to get it. Anytime we believe them, and give them the power they seek, we’re the stupid ones. That is something worth getting upset about.
Unless of course they belong to the same club or party or whatever subgroup I identify with. Then they are right against all accusation and anyone who agrees with them is stupid.
#21–No6==”So the distinction that gets everyone so heated against them is that they lie to a stupider (in your opinion) group of people?” /// Let me take the gravamen of your position on from opposing views, then you can decide to take one of them on, both, or add to the dialectic.
1. Yes. But, who said anyone was “heated?” It doesn’t upset me if that is what heated means. Rather, it amuses me. Who is responding to the Death Panel? Who is a Birther? A Deather? A Tea-Bagger. The Astro-turfers? Not exclusively, but mostly they are all Repuglican true believers or those who follow on from their talking points. Now, No6—be honest now—-are these people smarter or dumber than those who dismiss these issues as gibberish?
2. No. Both parties lie to their base but the Repug base responds more to the more stupid, more easily disproved, more objectively fanciful, than does the Dem base. Do the Repugs “lie to” a dimmer group? The best I can do is make the foregoing thin distinction. A Repuglican probably can’t see it, but I do assume you will. Not every Repug is a cartoon.
Note the song is about “Government”,democrats and republicans. This country needs a serious third party movement badly for the reasonable majority.
#23 I don’t know if a third party would help. The problem is actually the way people think, their core values. Government officials are as corrupt and agotists as corporate worms.
Until this kind of views on what reaching a power position means, you can have 100 parties and the problem will live on.
Meltdown: How Greed and Corruption Shattered Our Financial System and How We Can Recover
Katrina Vanden Heuvel
On Book TV. C-Span 2.
The Simpsons had the GarbageMan can
Bobbo, let me make sure I have this right.
Someone who believes a Republican position is a dumb sheep.
Someone who believes a Democrat position spent a lot of time intelligently weighing the sides and happened to come to the same brilliant conclusion.
The gospel according to Bobbo states this is always true, without fail.
That about sum it up?
I mean, to me, the sheep is anyone that believes any of the bullshit that comes out of any politicians mouth. I guess I was mistaken about the informed insights of the perfect Democrat party. Perhaps your biting wit of always referring to the Republicans as Repugnicans should have clued me into your superior kindness and intelligence.
Hilarious! The video is good too. More amusing are the poor stupid slobs (you know who you are!) trying to blame the other party. They are the idiots this video is trying to teach. They will never learn, and the politicians keep fucking everyone over.
#5, #7 You know how to tell someone totally partisan to the point they are completely blind to reality with an absolutely closed mind from somebody that is open to reason and cares about facts?
Somebody criticizes the government and what its being doing for the last, oh, lets say 30 or so years, and the partisans say really stupid things like the person is a Bush/Palin supporter.
There is nothing in that recording to suggests this person supports any party or any person though I wouldn’t be shocked if they were a Libertarian.
The video was low key and funny as heck.
I can go with what #23 said.
What has turned off a heck of lot of Americans is what Obama and his appointees have said on video and in their own published works. Many are socialists/Marxists/global warmers with the intent of redistributing the wealth even when doing so will kill jobs by the million and they don’t always bother to beat around the bush about saying it. Many of the views expressed are shocking to non socialist/marxists. The green jobs czar and the FCC guys stand out here for being open about their views but they aren’t the only ones. Even Obama hasn’t always shied away from publicly expressing his views either. There are a lot of very interesting videos of him expressing his personal beliefs.
I would add that some of their expressed views would shock those socialists who don’t use spread sheets to decide how much a human life is worth.
Then of course there are the bills they got run through Congress unread and the Welfare for GM bill called cap and trade that’s pretty much bought them two networks though I do admit GM management seems to be socialist anyway though not with their own employees.
Did I say anything about what the Republicans said? No? There’s a reason. I don’t care what other people said about the Obamians! I care about what these socialist/Marxist have said and done!
What they have said and done isn’t a myth and gentlemen it isn’t going away! Their response to charges that they were giving access to individuals citizens bank records/tax records to concerned parties was to say its a myth you will still have the ability to access and use your bank accounts. I heard the audio in person. They didn’t even bother to deny what was in the bills they just answered a charge not made. That’s called attacking the strawman.
Strawman tactics can be effective if people fall for it but people aren’t falling for it because what Obamians and the socialist members of the House and Senate are saying and doing is on the record in video, in publications they created, and in the bills they have passed and the deeds they have done!
That’s more than enough to piss off the majority of Americans even if the Republicans simply sat it out which they seemed to be doing for a while. Of course that was because socialists own most of the media and they were largely able to shut out anyone that disagreed with them.
The Conservatives/libertarians were actually screaming their heads off but other than having a few radio stations they don’t have much of a media outlet and the FCC guy is planning on taking that away from them. He said so. It has been duly recorded in his own words.
On course one very big socialist came out and warned this spending spree is going to break the nations piggy bank which means no money for jack and including social welfare but the evidence suggests that he no longer has influence with Obamians now that they have the power.
Then of course we have the bill before Congress to allow Obama to shut down all or part of the net when he feels like it. A bill like that is something I’d expect in Iran.
I can’t say I’d have thought Congress would have gone for a bill like that in my youth but then the unreasonable and imprudent people running Congress, both parties and for decades, no longer have the respect of anyone with a brain because of what they have said and done. I can believe they’d vote for anything.
The question people need to ask is this: Is Obama, based on the actions, words, and deeds of himself and those he has surrounded himself with and put in his administration taking the nation anywhere you want to go? It the answer is Yes! Then support him. If the answer is NO! Then go to work making that clear!
This just pisses me off
No more suckling
How would you improve the worker situation?
Your duty as an American
#27–BitBass==sometimes I will respond to a person who doesn’t have my position, what I said quite right, but YOU are just making shit up. If you have any continuing interest in what I actually said, copy and paste the sentence, respond to what was said, and we can debate. I’ll show you how not to argue with yourself in my response to do-ill.
#29–do-ill==”You know how to tell someone totally partisan to the point they are completely blind to reality with an absolutely closed mind from somebody that is open to reason and cares about facts?” /// Read one of your posts?
“Somebody criticizes the government and what its being doing for the last, oh, lets say 30 or so years, and the partisans say really stupid things like the person is a Bush/Palin supporter.” /// Nobody said that until just now, YOU.
3. “There is nothing in that recording to suggests this person supports any party or any person though I wouldn’t be shocked if they were a Libertarian.” /// Don’t you contradict yourself here or are you divining your LIEBERTARIAN suspicions from “nothing?” Also, I said the same thing and did give “something” at Post#7 & 10.
Do-ill your continue your style of being excessively wordy while saying nothing except to contradict yourself.
Good Job.
Noname #–31 thru 34==I CANNOT CONNECT TO YOUR LINKS.
This “may be” the editor reforming the long url into a short one?
The main reason I come here is to blow hard, but the second reason is to read the links others thoughtfully provide. I hope that functionality is not lost like the “recent posts” feature as this blog continue to improve the service.
So True…..
#34 You gotta admit, he’s got you.
They work when I click on them?
Shit, if it’s true.
#39–noname==still not for me. First time links have not worked. Firefox 3.0.
I get Error 403. “Must connect to website and not directly to an imbedded video or image.”