Comments on: 57% would vote to replace entire Congress http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:24:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 888 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1572386 888 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:21:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1572386 Founding Father created REPUBLIC, not some "democracy". If any of you dumb Americans have ever read your Constitution once, you'd know the word "democracy" doesn't appear there anywhere. Founding Father created REPUBLIC, not some “democracy”.

If any of you dumb Americans have ever read your Constitution once, you’d know the word “democracy” doesn’t appear there anywhere.

]]> By: FormerHoosierInLouisvilleKY http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1572166 FormerHoosierInLouisvilleKY Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:30:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1572166 Ironically, I really _do_ like my current Congressional representative. He's a relative rarity -- an independently wealthy Republican (was once an aide to a Republican senator) turned Democratic liberal. He's only in his second term, and I voted for him both times. Hate both senators, though. At least one will be retiring next year. Hope the state parties can come up with halfway decent people to run... Can anyone tell me just why we got rid of selection of senators by the state legislatures? Ironically, I really _do_ like my current Congressional representative. He’s a relative rarity — an independently wealthy Republican (was once an aide to a Republican senator) turned Democratic liberal. He’s only in his second term, and I voted for him both times.

Hate both senators, though. At least one will be retiring next year. Hope the state parties can come up with halfway decent people to run…

Can anyone tell me just why we got rid of selection of senators by the state legislatures?

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1572138 deowll Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:58:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1572138 How can the President have more power when he can't make laws or appropriate funds and can be removed at will by Congress? Just asking. How can the President have more power when he can’t make laws or appropriate funds and can be removed at will by Congress?

Just asking.

]]> By: Somebody http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571943 Somebody Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:08:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571943 Again, what's needed is representation in fact not representation in theory. How about returning the ratio of representatives to citizens to what is was in the 1700's? You could maybe still buy them all but not for chump change. Again, what’s needed is representation in fact not representation in theory.

How about returning the ratio of representatives to citizens to what is was in the 1700′s?

You could maybe still buy them all but not for chump change.

]]> By: chuck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571929 chuck Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:45:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571929 Of the 57%, how many actually bothered to vote in the last election? Or have ever voted? Of the 57%, how many actually bothered to vote in the last election? Or have ever voted?

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571922 MikeN Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:26:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571922 When you have a member of Congress requiring a ticket to ask a question at a town-hall, then mocking a retired cop who gets kicked out of the town-hall, I can see why people would be a bit upset. When you have a member of Congress requiring a ticket to ask a question at a town-hall, then mocking a retired cop who gets kicked out of the town-hall, I can see why people would be a bit upset.

]]> By: smartalix http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571890 smartalix Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:26:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571890 Politicians are like lawyers, nobody likes them until they need one, then they don't care how ethical they are as long as they get your ass out of trouble. Nobody likes the other guy's congresscritter "pork", but loves the "business" their congresscritter brings them. Everyone would vote the other guys's representative out of office any day of the week. Politicians are like lawyers, nobody likes them until they need one, then they don’t care how ethical they are as long as they get your ass out of trouble. Nobody likes the other guy’s congresscritter “pork”, but loves the “business” their congresscritter brings them. Everyone would vote the other guys’s representative out of office any day of the week.

]]> By: Phydeau http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571881 Phydeau Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:57:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571881 They're <i>all</i> politicians, the ones <i>in</i> office and the ones <i>wanting</i> to get into office. What makes you think the ones wanting to get into office will be any different from the ones that are there now? Voting them all out is the lazy man's way. The only long-term solution is to properly supervise the politicians we have. That's what a representative government is all about. If we can't properly supervise our politicians, then we don't deserve a representative form of government. They’re all politicians, the ones in office and the ones wanting to get into office. What makes you think the ones wanting to get into office will be any different from the ones that are there now?

Voting them all out is the lazy man’s way. The only long-term solution is to properly supervise the politicians we have. That’s what a representative government is all about. If we can’t properly supervise our politicians, then we don’t deserve a representative form of government.

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571877 Benjamin Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:52:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571877 Vote them all out. Vote them all out.

]]> By: Phydeau http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571855 Phydeau Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:16:18 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571855 If a congressman with hundreds of thousands of constituents receives 100 letters on an issue, it's considered a landslide of public opinion. Face it -- most people are slugs. They work for us, and we're not supervising them properly. That means keeping up on current events, sending an email once a week or so. Hell, you don't even have to do that, just go to their website and fill out a form. But most of us are slugs, so our employees go unsupervised, and you know what happens when employees are unsupervised -- they do what they want, they get into trouble, they cause trouble. When Benjamin Franklin left the Continental Congress after they'd finished with the Constitution, he was supposedly asked: "Well, Doctor, what have we got —- a Republic or a Monarchy?" And he replied: "A Republic, if you can keep it." (http://www.bartelby.net/73/1593.html) It's not the system that's the problem, it's the citizens. We can't have a democratic republic if the citizens won't do their part. If a congressman with hundreds of thousands of constituents receives 100 letters on an issue, it’s considered a landslide of public opinion.

Face it — most people are slugs.

They work for us, and we’re not supervising them properly. That means keeping up on current events, sending an email once a week or so. Hell, you don’t even have to do that, just go to their website and fill out a form. But most of us are slugs, so our employees go unsupervised, and you know what happens when employees are unsupervised — they do what they want, they get into trouble, they cause trouble.

When Benjamin Franklin left the Continental Congress after they’d finished with the Constitution, he was supposedly asked:

“Well, Doctor, what have we got —- a Republic or a Monarchy?”

And he replied:

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

(http://www.bartelby.net/73/1593.html)

It’s not the system that’s the problem, it’s the citizens. We can’t have a democratic republic if the citizens won’t do their part.

]]> By: Cursor_ http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571826 Cursor_ Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:21:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571826 None of the situation we are in will change until we remove the current system. It doesn't matter if you vote all of the congress out and replace them with another set of people. The basic workings of the government are BROKEN. No matter who you elect in any of the three branches will have the same broken set of tools to work with and therefore produce inferior results. VOTING will not work to fix the system. Reform will not work to fix the system. No matter how much paint you slap on. No matter how much siding you nail on. No matter how many colourful lights you string on it, it will still be busted. We need a new constitution and a new government. It is naive to believe you can fix it or reform it within the current construct. We are no longer a largely agrarian nation. We are no longer even an industrial giant. Yet our government is a hybrid of these two lifestyles that have come and gone with the added baggage of Post-French Revolution ideologies. Representation can no longer be justified by ideology which in large part modern Americans don't even know correctly. The county is a consumer nation now. Started in the 1920's and has been ever since. We do not find a voice though the ideologies of the current system. We need one based on socio-economic levels. The high have their representatives, the middle theirs and the low theirs. All of the current representative are Plutocrats. They have no real concept of what it is to make below 100k a year. NONE. They all make at least 1 million a year. Most could retire today and never lift a finger and have money to last them for the next 100 years or more. We need to throw out the broken tools and start over. Cursor_ None of the situation we are in will change until we remove the current system.

It doesn’t matter if you vote all of the congress out and replace them with another set of people.

The basic workings of the government are BROKEN.

No matter who you elect in any of the three branches will have the same broken set of tools to work with and therefore produce inferior results. VOTING will not work to fix the system.

Reform will not work to fix the system. No matter how much paint you slap on. No matter how much siding you nail on. No matter how many colourful lights you string on it, it will still be busted.

We need a new constitution and a new government. It is naive to believe you can fix it or reform it within the current construct.

We are no longer a largely agrarian nation.
We are no longer even an industrial giant.

Yet our government is a hybrid of these two lifestyles that have come and gone with the added baggage of Post-French Revolution ideologies.

Representation can no longer be justified by ideology which in large part modern Americans don’t even know correctly.

The county is a consumer nation now. Started in the 1920′s and has been ever since. We do not find a voice though the ideologies of the current system. We need one based on socio-economic levels. The high have their representatives, the middle theirs and the low theirs. All of the current representative are Plutocrats. They have no real concept of what it is to make below 100k a year. NONE. They all make at least 1 million a year. Most could retire today and never lift a finger and have money to last them for the next 100 years or more.

We need to throw out the broken tools and start over.

Cursor_

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571812 ECA Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:37:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571812 dO YOU KNOW how TO GET THEM OUT?? EASY. GET 66% of the USA to VOTE. LESS THAN 1/3 vote and GUESS who they are.. POLITICIANS... dO YOU KNOW how TO GET THEM OUT??
EASY.

GET 66% of the USA to VOTE.
LESS THAN 1/3 vote and GUESS who they are..
POLITICIANS…

]]> By: Lou Minatti http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571737 Lou Minatti Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:48:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571737 We all agree that Congresscritters suck ass but they don't get voted out due to our indifference and the power of incumbency. OK. Then term limit them. Term limits work in local politics, they work on the Executive level. No reason term limits on Congress won't work. Being a congressman shouldn't be a career with lifetime retirement benefits and unlimited free travel benefits. We all agree that Congresscritters suck ass but they don’t get voted out due to our indifference and the power of incumbency. OK. Then term limit them. Term limits work in local politics, they work on the Executive level. No reason term limits on Congress won’t work. Being a congressman shouldn’t be a career with lifetime retirement benefits and unlimited free travel benefits.

]]> By: eaze http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571735 eaze Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:38:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571735 It would have been 100%, but 43% of us couldn't bare to loose Ron Paul. I'll vote him out of congress if it means he gets to be president. It would have been 100%, but 43% of us couldn’t bare to loose Ron Paul. I’ll vote him out of congress if it means he gets to be president.

]]> By: ± http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/30/57-would-vote-to-replace-entire-congress/comment-page-2/#comment-1571728 ± Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:29:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=56957#comment-1571728 Ones thing is certain. If these 57% vote R or D in the next election, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. New Ds and Rs will slip right into the extant corruption scheme. The only chance for true change is to make Ds and Rs extinct. And that means anyone who ever served in either party. No promises tho. Any third party in charge might fall right into the pockets of big money just like Rs and Ds are now. But not trying doesn't make sense. Ones thing is certain. If these 57% vote R or D in the next election, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. New Ds and Rs will slip right into the extant corruption scheme. The only chance for true change is to make Ds and Rs extinct. And that means anyone who ever served in either party. No promises tho. Any third party in charge might fall right into the pockets of big money just like Rs and Ds are now. But not trying doesn’t make sense.

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