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		<title>By: chickenstastegross</title>
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		<dc:creator>chickenstastegross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47 huh, grinder must have missed that one :S</description>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 years ago I bit into a mcnugget, it popped liquid in my mouth. I spat it out took it apart a little to discover what was obviously a baby bird, in tact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 years ago I bit into a mcnugget, it popped liquid in my mouth. I spat it out took it apart a little to discover what was obviously a baby bird, in tact.</p>
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		<title>By: meetsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>meetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh #41...I know where my food comes from...I shop local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh #41&#8230;I know where my food comes from&#8230;I shop local.</p>
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		<title>By: meetsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>meetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vay gan, right?
   Give the soy a few more years, sonny...you&#039;ll see them big fat flabby man boobs, np.
    Most veeeegans are so full of their own excrement that they have little room left to have a sense of humor...they are, however, full of themselves. I know, it&#039;s because they eat with the power of politics. Not sane food choices. Not food that has flavor. NOT food that is nutritionally sound.  NOT food that is to satiate the soul. 
    Keep telling yourself that you are morally superior as you choke down that barely edible food.  I&#039;m so sick of veeeeeeegans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vay gan, right?<br />
   Give the soy a few more years, sonny&#8230;you&#8217;ll see them big fat flabby man boobs, np.<br />
    Most veeeegans are so full of their own excrement that they have little room left to have a sense of humor&#8230;they are, however, full of themselves. I know, it&#8217;s because they eat with the power of politics. Not sane food choices. Not food that has flavor. NOT food that is nutritionally sound.  NOT food that is to satiate the soul.<br />
    Keep telling yourself that you are morally superior as you choke down that barely edible food.  I&#8217;m so sick of veeeeeeegans.</p>
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		<title>By: jaywontdart</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaywontdart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43 WTF does Carl Lewis using steroids have to do with my &quot;analogy&quot; being &quot;fail&quot;?

Incidentally, steroids are most likely vegan? lol, like beer, vodka, wine (&quot;vegan wine&quot; without the fish gut crap &quot;isinglass), weed, cocaine, magic mushrooms and the hard drugs like chocolate and coffee. Everything people get addicted to seems to be made out of a plant.  Do you really think &quot;oh I couldnt give up bacon&quot; compares to a crack heads addiction? :)

I never said anything like &quot;carl lewis was so fast etc because he didnt eat cute baby animals&quot;, I just mentioned that hes a very fit American vegan that people around the world look up to and respect.  He does NOT have &quot;bitchtits&quot; as some ingrate above said vegan guys get.  Yes, Carl Lewis eats soy products, look up &quot;carl lewis vegan &quot; on Youtube , oh, like right here 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY

I never said being vegan makes you ultra fast/strong/sexy, although I mention Im vegan if it comes up to the ladies and they think its a positive trait.  I dont know many women who get turned on over hunting, the sort of women I go out with prefer a man who can cook to a man who &quot;puts food on the table&quot; in that other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43 WTF does Carl Lewis using steroids have to do with my &#8220;analogy&#8221; being &#8220;fail&#8221;?</p>
<p>Incidentally, steroids are most likely vegan? lol, like beer, vodka, wine (&#8220;vegan wine&#8221; without the fish gut crap &#8220;isinglass), weed, cocaine, magic mushrooms and the hard drugs like chocolate and coffee. Everything people get addicted to seems to be made out of a plant.  Do you really think &#8220;oh I couldnt give up bacon&#8221; compares to a crack heads addiction? <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I never said anything like &#8220;carl lewis was so fast etc because he didnt eat cute baby animals&#8221;, I just mentioned that hes a very fit American vegan that people around the world look up to and respect.  He does NOT have &#8220;bitchtits&#8221; as some ingrate above said vegan guys get.  Yes, Carl Lewis eats soy products, look up &#8220;carl lewis vegan &#8221; on Youtube , oh, like right here </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTETXwfIaY</a></p>
<p>I never said being vegan makes you ultra fast/strong/sexy, although I mention Im vegan if it comes up to the ladies and they think its a positive trait.  I dont know many women who get turned on over hunting, the sort of women I go out with prefer a man who can cook to a man who &#8220;puts food on the table&#8221; in that other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Say What!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say What!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41. Um, I believe Carl Lewis was using steroids. So your analogy is a big fat fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41. Um, I believe Carl Lewis was using steroids. So your analogy is a big fat fail.</p>
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		<title>By: clancys_daddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>clancys_daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33 WTF take a basic biology course geez.  Then again I raise and hunt or catch my food.  Chickens, geese, beef, pork, deer, turkey. fish, right next to the garden raised, home canned veggies, yummy.  I guess it might be coincidental that I was raised on farms and know where my food came from growing up.  Helpful hint never name your food.  Vegetarian old Indian (sorry native american) word for bad hunter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 WTF take a basic biology course geez.  Then again I raise and hunt or catch my food.  Chickens, geese, beef, pork, deer, turkey. fish, right next to the garden raised, home canned veggies, yummy.  I guess it might be coincidental that I was raised on farms and know where my food came from growing up.  Helpful hint never name your food.  Vegetarian old Indian (sorry native american) word for bad hunter.</p>
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		<title>By: jaywontdart</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaywontdart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE Soy, if you dont like soy, you dont have to eat it.  Theres no &quot;soy&quot; in the word &quot;vegan&quot;.  I drink soymilk and eat tofu, and am totally flat chested, yes, I am a guy :)

There are many male vegan bodybuilders, an athlete you may know is Carl Lewis, I believe the americans thought he was JC a few years back at the olympics?

There are plenty of vegans all around you.  If you look at some actual websites, and not weirdo hippy pamphlets, then maybe you will have a better opinion on the topic.

Eating meat doesnt make you tough, especially when you buy it in a plastic package, hiding behind the massive industry in between.

I love when John talks about &quot;vay-guns&quot; on NA!  I use clips from NA on my podcast quite often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE Soy, if you dont like soy, you dont have to eat it.  Theres no &#8220;soy&#8221; in the word &#8220;vegan&#8221;.  I drink soymilk and eat tofu, and am totally flat chested, yes, I am a guy <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are many male vegan bodybuilders, an athlete you may know is Carl Lewis, I believe the americans thought he was JC a few years back at the olympics?</p>
<p>There are plenty of vegans all around you.  If you look at some actual websites, and not weirdo hippy pamphlets, then maybe you will have a better opinion on the topic.</p>
<p>Eating meat doesnt make you tough, especially when you buy it in a plastic package, hiding behind the massive industry in between.</p>
<p>I love when John talks about &#8220;vay-guns&#8221; on NA!  I use clips from NA on my podcast quite often.</p>
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		<title>By: meetsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>meetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$6.00 eggs...aren&#039;t necessary.  I have chickens in my yard that eat food scraps, bugs, and grains. I get about a dozen eggs a day -- in the summer, three dozen a week in the winter.  They cost me....ummm, well a 50lb bag of grain costs $18.00 currently.   Feeds them for 30 days... so roughly... a dozen eggs costs me about .05 each (summer) and .15 each (winter).  That&#039;s under a dollar a carton.
   Locally grown eggs (small farmers) cost $3-4.00 a dozen.   
   I buy my local grown and butchered pastured chickens for $3.00 a pound, and locally grown grass fed beef $2.00 a pound hanging weight, plus .35 a pound for cutting/wrapping by the butcher.
    Oh, and we get raw milk from a certified dairy for $6.75 a gallon.
    The numbers are not that off from other parts of the country....so why are we eating crap food, again?  Oh right, because you can go to a big chain grocery store and buy it. Gotcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$6.00 eggs&#8230;aren&#8217;t necessary.  I have chickens in my yard that eat food scraps, bugs, and grains. I get about a dozen eggs a day &#8212; in the summer, three dozen a week in the winter.  They cost me&#8230;.ummm, well a 50lb bag of grain costs $18.00 currently.   Feeds them for 30 days&#8230; so roughly&#8230; a dozen eggs costs me about .05 each (summer) and .15 each (winter).  That&#8217;s under a dollar a carton.<br />
   Locally grown eggs (small farmers) cost $3-4.00 a dozen.<br />
   I buy my local grown and butchered pastured chickens for $3.00 a pound, and locally grown grass fed beef $2.00 a pound hanging weight, plus .35 a pound for cutting/wrapping by the butcher.<br />
    Oh, and we get raw milk from a certified dairy for $6.75 a gallon.<br />
    The numbers are not that off from other parts of the country&#8230;.so why are we eating crap food, again?  Oh right, because you can go to a big chain grocery store and buy it. Gotcha.</p>
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		<title>By: meetsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>meetsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go VEGAN???  No way. I would like to have a balanced diet with some taste.  Plus, you get weird, and lose your sense of humor, and...no diet can be good for you if it increases maternal (meaning if you are pregnant) health risks for BOTH mother and baby.  It&#039;s not good for children.  The low B12 in the diet is one issue, as is the risk of malnutrition from eating a diet that is politically motivated, instead of nutritionally sound.
  NO THANK YOU. 
  And, soy...not that good for you...makes men grow bitchtits, and women have too much estrogen....which is implicated in an array of diseases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go VEGAN???  No way. I would like to have a balanced diet with some taste.  Plus, you get weird, and lose your sense of humor, and&#8230;no diet can be good for you if it increases maternal (meaning if you are pregnant) health risks for BOTH mother and baby.  It&#8217;s not good for children.  The low B12 in the diet is one issue, as is the risk of malnutrition from eating a diet that is politically motivated, instead of nutritionally sound.<br />
  NO THANK YOU.<br />
  And, soy&#8230;not that good for you&#8230;makes men grow bitchtits, and women have too much estrogen&#8230;.which is implicated in an array of diseases.</p>
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		<title>By: maryland157</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryland157</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what the Chick-fil-a Cow image has to do with the story, the picture is unrelated and gave me the feeling that the story had to do with Chick-fil-a.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what the Chick-fil-a Cow image has to do with the story, the picture is unrelated and gave me the feeling that the story had to do with Chick-fil-a.</p>
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		<title>By: Hitos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hitos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35#

The &quot;essence of humane&quot; is as convenient and confortable as possible.

Some don&#039;t like the idea of grinding up little chicks because this makes them uncomfortable. Most people don&#039;t care because it&#039;s convenient that way.

Yes, it&#039;s that selfish. Most people don&#039;t accept it because it makes them uncomfortable.

Ethics are not inherently human. If they were, we wouldn&#039;t exploit animals and environment as we do and would be in a very different situation (maybe extinct, who knows).

This is unpleasant, but as far as an issue go, it&#039;s not very important. I suppose the ground up chicks are being put to good use as animal food. By measure it&#039;s less of an issue than fur used for fashion(as opposed to plain clothing) purposes, which is much less issue than humans starving on the streets(YMMV, since these are living beings that have been allowed to live, while the others have not), which I don&#039;t know and therefore don&#039;t care. Most people just pretend to care about these homeless people, sparing just a few dollars while they have home, food and many comforts.

When you take the rose-coloured glasses off, you see that our concerns are very selfish most of the time, even when they don&#039;t seems so.</description>
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<p>The &#8220;essence of humane&#8221; is as convenient and confortable as possible.</p>
<p>Some don&#8217;t like the idea of grinding up little chicks because this makes them uncomfortable. Most people don&#8217;t care because it&#8217;s convenient that way.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s that selfish. Most people don&#8217;t accept it because it makes them uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Ethics are not inherently human. If they were, we wouldn&#8217;t exploit animals and environment as we do and would be in a very different situation (maybe extinct, who knows).</p>
<p>This is unpleasant, but as far as an issue go, it&#8217;s not very important. I suppose the ground up chicks are being put to good use as animal food. By measure it&#8217;s less of an issue than fur used for fashion(as opposed to plain clothing) purposes, which is much less issue than humans starving on the streets(YMMV, since these are living beings that have been allowed to live, while the others have not), which I don&#8217;t know and therefore don&#8217;t care. Most people just pretend to care about these homeless people, sparing just a few dollars while they have home, food and many comforts.</p>
<p>When you take the rose-coloured glasses off, you see that our concerns are very selfish most of the time, even when they don&#8217;t seems so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35 I have no problem with an instantaneous shredding machine. Did you read anything about me objecting to one?

My point was clear. &lt;i&gt; If a more ethical treatment for animals can be found, I am all for it.&lt;/i&gt;

I support PETA for bringing these topics forward even if I don&#039;t agree with them all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35 I have no problem with an instantaneous shredding machine. Did you read anything about me objecting to one?</p>
<p>My point was clear. <i> If a more ethical treatment for animals can be found, I am all for it.</i></p>
<p>I support PETA for bringing these topics forward even if I don&#8217;t agree with them all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo, all dogs and cats are gourmands</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo, all dogs and cats are gourmands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that ground up chicken would be quite good for our pets.  Meat.  Bones would be a source of calcium.  Even the feathers could be non-digestible bulk, good for the morning crap.

#26--Dalls==you do know not everything revolves around sex?  like food?  Seems to me the &quot;essence&quot; of humane is as quick and painless as possible.  Now exactly what is your objection to an instantaneous shredding machine?

My objection to espresso machine is they perform a simple function with very simple parts.  I can see minor price hikes given the differing parts, boiling chamber versus thermoblock, and 1-2 or 3 thermometers and pressure guages.  I just can&#039;t see any of those parts adding up to over $200--much less 500, 1000, or 1500 for a freaking cup at a time home machine.

I really wish it made sense to go to a machining class.  A manual hand lever espresson machine would be a delight to design, build, and use.  I&#039;d make it as big as a volkswagon and have it occupy my dining room.  Living Large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that ground up chicken would be quite good for our pets.  Meat.  Bones would be a source of calcium.  Even the feathers could be non-digestible bulk, good for the morning crap.</p>
<p>#26&#8211;Dalls==you do know not everything revolves around sex?  like food?  Seems to me the &#8220;essence&#8221; of humane is as quick and painless as possible.  Now exactly what is your objection to an instantaneous shredding machine?</p>
<p>My objection to espresso machine is they perform a simple function with very simple parts.  I can see minor price hikes given the differing parts, boiling chamber versus thermoblock, and 1-2 or 3 thermometers and pressure guages.  I just can&#8217;t see any of those parts adding up to over $200&#8211;much less 500, 1000, or 1500 for a freaking cup at a time home machine.</p>
<p>I really wish it made sense to go to a machining class.  A manual hand lever espresson machine would be a delight to design, build, and use.  I&#8217;d make it as big as a volkswagon and have it occupy my dining room.  Living Large.</p>
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		<title>By: arealmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>arealmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33---&quot;Their cells become our cells when eaten?&quot;

 I was under the impression that human cell division, you know, those teeny little balls containing 46 chromosomes you learned about in 7th grade, were responsible for generating new cells. 

I must have skipped the chapter about chicken cells subverting the processes of interphase and mitosis. Who knew?  

I&#039;m pretty confident our cells are OUR cells, no matter what we eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33&#8212;&#8221;Their cells become our cells when eaten?&#8221;</p>
<p> I was under the impression that human cell division, you know, those teeny little balls containing 46 chromosomes you learned about in 7th grade, were responsible for generating new cells. </p>
<p>I must have skipped the chapter about chicken cells subverting the processes of interphase and mitosis. Who knew?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty confident our cells are OUR cells, no matter what we eat.</p>
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