Comments on: What Would PETA Think Of Genetically Modified, Pain Free Livestock? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573697 deowll Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:25:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573697 I'm sure that will fix things for surplus bulls and worn dairy cows, goats ,etc. Crazy. There is a reason living things can feel pain. I’m sure that will fix things for surplus bulls and worn dairy cows, goats ,etc.

Crazy. There is a reason living things can feel pain.

]]> By: jaywontdart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573693 jaywontdart Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:24:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573693 I expected some of the comments, about enjoying the taste of suffering, but did not expect some people to defend "stunning" before "a quick knife cut" to bleed an animal to death. If you look on youtube, there are many grisly animal death videos, including cases of animals who fall from the chain ("chain" might be a NZ term, the rollercoaster/monorail they hang from that moves throughout the factory) and damage equipment, workers and of course themselves. Chickens are apparently stunned by electricity to put them out, oh, except for the ones that miss that step. Really, even if the animals felt absolutely no pain, if we could imagine that they have no idea what is going to happen, I would still be against their pointless deaths. I dont expect anyone here to go vegan from reading my little comments, I hope you do look into how animals die. Just watch this video, there is NO blood or guts for any meat eaters who are squeamish! The cow at the back clearly knows something bad is going to happen, there is no doubt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHTNq33cXBQ I expected some of the comments, about enjoying the taste of suffering, but did not expect some people to defend “stunning” before “a quick knife cut” to bleed an animal to death.

If you look on youtube, there are many grisly animal death videos, including cases of animals who fall from the chain (“chain” might be a NZ term, the rollercoaster/monorail they hang from that moves throughout the factory) and damage equipment, workers and of course themselves.

Chickens are apparently stunned by electricity to put them out, oh, except for the ones that miss that step.

Really, even if the animals felt absolutely no pain, if we could imagine that they have no idea what is going to happen, I would still be against their pointless deaths.

I dont expect anyone here to go vegan from reading my little comments, I hope you do look into how animals die. Just watch this video, there is NO blood or guts for any meat eaters who are squeamish! The cow at the back clearly knows something bad is going to happen, there is no doubt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHTNq33cXBQ

]]> By: Sam http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573572 Sam Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:06:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573572 Somewhat off topic, but as a scientist and a tech nerd, I'm always happy to see bloggers and main/semi-mainstream media using DOI to link to the original journal article. Often there are mentions of the article, sometimes with the name of the journal publishing the article, but rarely a full link to download the actual article. Somewhat off topic, but as a scientist and a tech nerd, I’m always happy to see bloggers and main/semi-mainstream media using DOI to link to the original journal article. Often there are mentions of the article, sometimes with the name of the journal publishing the article, but rarely a full link to download the actual article.

]]> By: bobbo, reading the Omnivore's Dilema http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573527 bobbo, reading the Omnivore's Dilema Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:58:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573527 #16--Glen==go to your local store. Buy every brand of veggie burger they have. I'll bet you'll find one you like. But its more expensive. "Meat" is protein and texture. We have had the protein part down for decades. I'm thinking someone just has to put more effort into the texture part===and then work on the price which is probably simply volume related. I suspect at some point in the future, everything will be just like toothpaste. Healthy, homogenized and acceptable only to those people who know nothing else. #16–Glen==go to your local store. Buy every brand of veggie burger they have. I’ll bet you’ll find one you like. But its more expensive. “Meat” is protein and texture. We have had the protein part down for decades. I’m thinking someone just has to put more effort into the texture part===and then work on the price which is probably simply volume related.

I suspect at some point in the future, everything will be just like toothpaste. Healthy, homogenized and acceptable only to those people who know nothing else.

]]> By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573517 Glenn E. Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:37:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573517 Wouldn't it be best in the long run, if we came up with a way to grow meat in a test tube? Or rather a huge vat, like beer? Without the brain and nerve system to deal with. Just some unconscience muscle tissue, for those of us who only like meat with a grain. Otherwise similar protein could be synthesized as a slury, and formed into whatever shape from there. But without much texture, I'm afraid. Still, extra extra lean! And who knows, developing the technology to do this could lead to the spinoff of growing replacement human muscle and organs. Far less expensively, than hoping medical research will get around to doing it from scratch. Anyway, I'd eat a syntho-meat burger. 100% free of Mad Cow disease, and growth hormones. Wouldn’t it be best in the long run, if we came up with a way to grow meat in a test tube? Or rather a huge vat, like beer? Without the brain and nerve system to deal with. Just some unconscience muscle tissue, for those of us who only like meat with a grain. Otherwise similar protein could be synthesized as a slury, and formed into whatever shape from there. But without much texture, I’m afraid. Still, extra extra lean! And who knows, developing the technology to do this could lead to the spinoff of growing replacement human muscle and organs. Far less expensively, than hoping medical research will get around to doing it from scratch. Anyway, I’d eat a syntho-meat burger. 100% free of Mad Cow disease, and growth hormones.

]]> By: Animby http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573492 Animby Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:21:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573492 I, too, thought of "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe." IIRC, the cow came to their table and suggested which cuts were tenderest, most flavorful, etc. and then wandered off to the kitchen with a smile on it's face. Mmmmmm. Now, if we could just genetically alter PETA people so they, too, would wander into the kitchen with a smile on their faces and volunteer. I'm in agreement with a couple others above. Quick lobotomy and bleed them dry. No pain. The problem is the anxiety they have when being herded to the abattoir. Instead of wasting money on neuron reassignment therapy, maybe we could just slip a Valium into their final feed. I, too, thought of “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.” IIRC, the cow came to their table and suggested which cuts were tenderest, most flavorful, etc. and then wandered off to the kitchen with a smile on it’s face. Mmmmmm.

Now, if we could just genetically alter PETA people so they, too, would wander into the kitchen with a smile on their faces and volunteer.

I’m in agreement with a couple others above. Quick lobotomy and bleed them dry. No pain. The problem is the anxiety they have when being herded to the abattoir. Instead of wasting money on neuron reassignment therapy, maybe we could just slip a Valium into their final feed.

]]> By: bobbo, let's hope so http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573489 bobbo, let's hope so Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:13:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573489 My Mom is suffering year 3 from shingles and is in pain everyday. All the docs can do is give her narcotics to put her to sleep. I'm pushing for "never block" but the experts look at me with a blank stare. Anyway, for the most of you who have had smallpox in your youth, you are subject to getting shingles. If you take a vaccine, it can be prevented. If not, you risk anything from a short minor inconvenience to a life debilitating chronic condition. Maybe something from PETA can help my old cow of a mother??? ((But seriously, she still gives good milk.)) Knowledge is power. Hope this helps. My Mom is suffering year 3 from shingles and is in pain everyday. All the docs can do is give her narcotics to put her to sleep. I’m pushing for “never block” but the experts look at me with a blank stare.

Anyway, for the most of you who have had smallpox in your youth, you are subject to getting shingles. If you take a vaccine, it can be prevented. If not, you risk anything from a short minor inconvenience to a life debilitating chronic condition.

Maybe something from PETA can help my old cow of a mother??? ((But seriously, she still gives good milk.))

Knowledge is power. Hope this helps.

]]> By: Dallas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573477 Dallas Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:32:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573477 This is all pretty sick if you ask me - and that includes the comments. This is all pretty sick if you ask me – and that includes the comments.

]]> By: Hugo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573475 Hugo Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:22:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573475 Douglas Adams made that joke: a Cow designed to want to be eaten, who offers herself to the customers at the Restaurant at The End of the Universe - a joke on the vegetarian debate. It´s my opinion that thats wrong in a whole other level, the discussion becomes where shoud we stop tampering with mother nature. It´s no option over mal-treatment of animals... Douglas Adams made that joke: a Cow designed to want to be eaten, who offers herself to the customers at the Restaurant at The End of the Universe – a joke on the vegetarian debate.

It´s my opinion that thats wrong in a whole other level, the discussion becomes where shoud we stop tampering with mother nature. It´s no option over mal-treatment of animals…

]]> By: Alex http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573468 Alex Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:57:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573468 I wouldn't eat these cows. There's nothing like the taste of suffering infused into veal to give the meat that extra oommph. Besides, where would I then get the cow tears to wash my meal down with? I wouldn’t eat these cows. There’s nothing like the taste of suffering infused into veal to give the meat that extra oommph. Besides, where would I then get the cow tears to wash my meal down with?

]]> By: MrMiGu http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573461 MrMiGu Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:42:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573461 Would this really put an end to their suffering, or just prevent them from feeling the pain caused by the method in which they are freed from the miserable conditions of a factory farm. Would this really put an end to their suffering, or just prevent them from feeling the pain caused by the method in which they are freed from the miserable conditions of a factory farm.

]]> By: Hitos http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573450 Hitos Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:07:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573450 Am I the only one that thought about Douglas Adams' Restaurant at the End of the Universe Am I the only one that thought about Douglas Adams’ Restaurant at the End of the Universe

]]> By: chuck http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573437 chuck Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:32:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573437 How about we just use them suicidal cows instead? http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/29/suicidal-cows-baffle-scientists/ How about we just use them suicidal cows instead?
http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/29/suicidal-cows-baffle-scientists/

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573430 Benjamin Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:00:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573430 #6, A steel bolt is faster and less cruel than raising an animal from birth that feels no pain. The injuries and infections alone would be reason not to do this. Pain keeps us and animals from injuring themselves. Cows would lay in a painful position and not know it and it might injure them. #6, A steel bolt is faster and less cruel than raising an animal from birth that feels no pain. The injuries and infections alone would be reason not to do this. Pain keeps us and animals from injuring themselves. Cows would lay in a painful position and not know it and it might injure them.

]]> By: Pestilence http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/04/what-would-peta-think-of-genetically-modified-pain-free-livestock/comment-page-1/#comment-1573426 Pestilence Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:36:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=57299#comment-1573426 I'm a member of a different branch of PETA. People Eat Tasty Animals #5 - You round them up. I'll supply the steal bolt. I’m a member of a different branch of PETA.

People
Eat
Tasty
Animals

#5 – You round them up. I’ll supply the steal bolt.

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