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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who the heck is Jan Helfeld? Oh wow, he&#039;s an Objectivist! [They all seem like proto-Scientologists to me.]

I have long noticed a tendency, as TV news gets worse and worse, for &quot;reporters&quot; to try to hog the camera as long as possible, trying to fill the whole time available with their question, droning on and on and on, with dependent clauses multiplying, never getting to the point - - - oops! I just did it myself.

This guy just never shuts up. An actual example of a &quot;nattering nabob of negativism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who the heck is Jan Helfeld? Oh wow, he&#8217;s an Objectivist! [They all seem like proto-Scientologists to me.]</p>
<p>I have long noticed a tendency, as TV news gets worse and worse, for &#8220;reporters&#8221; to try to hog the camera as long as possible, trying to fill the whole time available with their question, droning on and on and on, with dependent clauses multiplying, never getting to the point &#8211; - &#8211; oops! I just did it myself.</p>
<p>This guy just never shuts up. An actual example of a &#8220;nattering nabob of negativism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an old interview. Jan claims the national debt is only $5 trillion, and seems alarmed at that figure, while Stark doesn&#039;t appear to think it is anything to be concerned about.  Check the National Debt clock at http://www.usdebtclock.org/ to find out what it is today.

I live in Pete Stark&#039;s district and he&#039;s &quot;my&quot; congressman, though I&#039;ve never voted for him in my entire life.  Yes, he was a banker before he ran for office, but that doesn&#039;t mean he understands money and finance at all.  He&#039;s been in Washington since 1973 and is one of those &quot;lifetime&quot; politicians who will never lose another election because the district has been gerrymandered to secure it for any Democratic candidate who runs.  It just so happens that Stark runs essentially unopposed every year because it makes no sense for anyone to challenge him.  He is notoriously rude to journalists because he knows he will never lose an election, so he doesn&#039;t have to pretend to be civil to anyone.

I have been in political forums with him and several other candidates, and he is always condescending like this.  He rarely appears at any campaign event that isn&#039;t choreographed by his staff, or if he appears at a League of Women Voters event, it is usually at a senior citizens center where he is popular for his longstanding support of social security and medicare or at a university where he knows the left-leaning students will not dare to challenge him or, if anyone does, he can dismiss them as idiots and never suffer any political damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an old interview. Jan claims the national debt is only $5 trillion, and seems alarmed at that figure, while Stark doesn&#8217;t appear to think it is anything to be concerned about.  Check the National Debt clock at <a href="http://www.usdebtclock.org/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.usdebtclock.org/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.usdebtclock.org/</a> to find out what it is today.</p>
<p>I live in Pete Stark&#8217;s district and he&#8217;s &#8220;my&#8221; congressman, though I&#8217;ve never voted for him in my entire life.  Yes, he was a banker before he ran for office, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he understands money and finance at all.  He&#8217;s been in Washington since 1973 and is one of those &#8220;lifetime&#8221; politicians who will never lose another election because the district has been gerrymandered to secure it for any Democratic candidate who runs.  It just so happens that Stark runs essentially unopposed every year because it makes no sense for anyone to challenge him.  He is notoriously rude to journalists because he knows he will never lose an election, so he doesn&#8217;t have to pretend to be civil to anyone.</p>
<p>I have been in political forums with him and several other candidates, and he is always condescending like this.  He rarely appears at any campaign event that isn&#8217;t choreographed by his staff, or if he appears at a League of Women Voters event, it is usually at a senior citizens center where he is popular for his longstanding support of social security and medicare or at a university where he knows the left-leaning students will not dare to challenge him or, if anyone does, he can dismiss them as idiots and never suffer any political damage.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo, don't get misdirected</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo, don't get misdirected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, Hah.  Pete Stark is a self declared atheist==one of few if not the only one being truthful on that issue in congress.

He was a banker before running for office.

If you try to understand in context the point he makes, you would be richer for it.

Moderation in all things.

What worth wisdom if my idols must be smashed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, Hah.  Pete Stark is a self declared atheist==one of few if not the only one being truthful on that issue in congress.</p>
<p>He was a banker before running for office.</p>
<p>If you try to understand in context the point he makes, you would be richer for it.</p>
<p>Moderation in all things.</p>
<p>What worth wisdom if my idols must be smashed?</p>
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		<title>By: Robart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#34 &quot;Basic premise:
Since the government will only take on an amount of debt proportional to how much it can pay back in interest, the heavier the apparent debt load, the better the economy is.&quot;

I would change &quot;will&quot; to &quot;should&quot; in your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34 &#8220;Basic premise:<br />
Since the government will only take on an amount of debt proportional to how much it can pay back in interest, the heavier the apparent debt load, the better the economy is.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would change &#8220;will&#8221; to &#8220;should&#8221; in your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: The0ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot damn, I&#039;m am getting richer by the day! Imagine that. You mean to tell me that even though I can&#039;t afford to house myself or my family, buy food for them or clothe them that I&#039;m actually richer?! Woohooo...yes, my life is hit but I&#039;m happy I&#039;m rich!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot damn, I&#8217;m am getting richer by the day! Imagine that. You mean to tell me that even though I can&#8217;t afford to house myself or my family, buy food for them or clothe them that I&#8217;m actually richer?! Woohooo&#8230;yes, my life is hit but I&#8217;m happy I&#8217;m rich!</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Video Is going to give me nightmare.</description>
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		<title>By: iCurmdgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>iCurmdgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Pete Stark is obviously a bumbling idiot, so is the guy trying to &quot;interview&quot; him. This was clearly a hatchet job right from the start.  Hasn&#039;t this guy ever heard of common courtesy? Send him to finishing school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Pete Stark is obviously a bumbling idiot, so is the guy trying to &#8220;interview&#8221; him. This was clearly a hatchet job right from the start.  Hasn&#8217;t this guy ever heard of common courtesy? Send him to finishing school!</p>
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		<title>By: RogerDucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>RogerDucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Pete Stark apparently has no idea how to explain it, because he doesn&#039;t know the theory behind it either and just wanted to shout the interviewer down in an attempt to not look stupid.

Basic premise:
Since the government will only take on an amount of debt proportional to how much it can pay back in interest, the heavier the apparent debt load, the better the economy is.

Also:
When a country&#039;s economy appears more stable, foreign bond investors are more likely to want to buy that country&#039;s bonds -- higher demand = lower interest rate. So, when debt is accrued during times of economic boom, it&#039;s possible to get a overall lower repayment than when it&#039;s done when people aren&#039;t as sure about the government&#039;s financial health. In other words -- better credit rating = lower interest rates, so you might be able to get a bigger loan for the same monthly payment amount.

That wasn&#039;t so hard to explain, was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Pete Stark apparently has no idea how to explain it, because he doesn&#8217;t know the theory behind it either and just wanted to shout the interviewer down in an attempt to not look stupid.</p>
<p>Basic premise:<br />
Since the government will only take on an amount of debt proportional to how much it can pay back in interest, the heavier the apparent debt load, the better the economy is.</p>
<p>Also:<br />
When a country&#8217;s economy appears more stable, foreign bond investors are more likely to want to buy that country&#8217;s bonds &#8212; higher demand = lower interest rate. So, when debt is accrued during times of economic boom, it&#8217;s possible to get a overall lower repayment than when it&#8217;s done when people aren&#8217;t as sure about the government&#8217;s financial health. In other words &#8212; better credit rating = lower interest rates, so you might be able to get a bigger loan for the same monthly payment amount.</p>
<p>That wasn&#8217;t so hard to explain, was it?</p>
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		<title>By: Animal Mother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Animal Mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa! Rep. Stark, what a prick!

Term limits now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Rep. Stark, what a prick!</p>
<p>Term limits now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key words used are :The more we owe, the richer we are&quot; simply because of what I was taught in my &#039;check / credit counseling course&#039; during the military service.  The instructor said &quot;Why write a $20.00 check you KNOW is going to bounce and cost you $75.00 to clear up?  If you know the check is going to bounce, WRITE IT BIG.  That way, the fee&#039;s and fines you pay leverage out the amount you made from the check&quot;
Meaning, for those of less understanding, you write a $20.00 check with $50.00 in fees when it bounce, it is not a good return on your investment (250% interest) whereas if you write a check for $1000.00 with $50.00 in fees, it is a better return (.02 % interest).  I think this is the Government method, and they think it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key words used are :The more we owe, the richer we are&#8221; simply because of what I was taught in my &#8216;check / credit counseling course&#8217; during the military service.  The instructor said &#8220;Why write a $20.00 check you KNOW is going to bounce and cost you $75.00 to clear up?  If you know the check is going to bounce, WRITE IT BIG.  That way, the fee&#8217;s and fines you pay leverage out the amount you made from the check&#8221;<br />
Meaning, for those of less understanding, you write a $20.00 check with $50.00 in fees when it bounce, it is not a good return on your investment (250% interest) whereas if you write a check for $1000.00 with $50.00 in fees, it is a better return (.02 % interest).  I think this is the Government method, and they think it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 Please move here so you can.  Politicians have created enough wealth for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Please move here so you can.  Politicians have created enough wealth for us.</p>
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		<title>By: doughoist</title>
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		<dc:creator>doughoist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I Lived in California just so I could vote this guy out of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I Lived in California just so I could vote this guy out of office.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, Stark is partially correct, the  budget deficit isn&#039;t the same a personal debt...unlike personal debt, in a sense, a budget deficit is in accounting only... 

For example, if the budget is 1 billion in the red, takes in 1 billion less than it spends, they sell treasuries to make up the difference, so the money goes out...

Unlike personal debt, the deficit ROBS the economy of the 1 billion, that might have been spend investing in new business etc.

Hence the CBO said the Stimulus, while initially stimulating, eventually depresses the economy, because it robs it of investment capital.

Interesting Stark interpreted the ability to spend the money anyway, as meaning we are richer by spending it...that explains why these fools won&#039;t stop spending money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Stark is partially correct, the  budget deficit isn&#8217;t the same a personal debt&#8230;unlike personal debt, in a sense, a budget deficit is in accounting only&#8230; </p>
<p>For example, if the budget is 1 billion in the red, takes in 1 billion less than it spends, they sell treasuries to make up the difference, so the money goes out&#8230;</p>
<p>Unlike personal debt, the deficit ROBS the economy of the 1 billion, that might have been spend investing in new business etc.</p>
<p>Hence the CBO said the Stimulus, while initially stimulating, eventually depresses the economy, because it robs it of investment capital.</p>
<p>Interesting Stark interpreted the ability to spend the money anyway, as meaning we are richer by spending it&#8230;that explains why these fools won&#8217;t stop spending money.</p>
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		<title>By: Probeee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Probeee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is &quot;Democratic&quot; Congressman Pete Stark from California&#039;s 13th District. Somehow you left that out of the lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is &#8220;Democratic&#8221; Congressman Pete Stark from California&#8217;s 13th District. Somehow you left that out of the lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ArianeB is correct.  So long as you feel that FRB is a good way of running things, then more debt is a good thing as it allows the banks to create more money out of nothing.

But in the REAL world, this is a bad situation that is getting worse.  When the rest of the world stops lending money to the USA, you guys are toast.  In a non-FRB based system, this would/could not happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ArianeB is correct.  So long as you feel that FRB is a good way of running things, then more debt is a good thing as it allows the banks to create more money out of nothing.</p>
<p>But in the REAL world, this is a bad situation that is getting worse.  When the rest of the world stops lending money to the USA, you guys are toast.  In a non-FRB based system, this would/could not happen.</p>
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