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And you thought this was a settled issue decades ago.
Anti-abortion conservatives are proposing a new constitutional amendment that critics claim would make it a crime to take birth control pills in Florida.
The “Personhood Amendment” that conservative activists are filing today in Tallahassee would add language to the state constitution that defines someone as a “person,” regardless of age or health status, “from the beginning of the biological development of that human being.”
Pat McEwen of Palm Bay is one of two leaders of the loose collection of activists, collectively known as Personhood Florida.
Since Alfred1 loves offering this quote out of context, I looked for it. It comes from a book Holdren coauthored in 1973.
Holdren isn’t a “czar.” he is Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.
#60, Alphie
You are budding Nazis, just like the National Socialists BEFORE Hitler…but waiting for Hitler…whom you will cheer.
Maybe, but you get to meet Hitler in Hell before we do. You and your full fledged NAZI brethren.
You see I don’t believe in Hell, but you claim you do. And your actions are exactly what your bible says will get you there.
Hope you like the heat.
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For me Hell would be reading your posts for eternity.
50 AlfredETerrorist
I FINALLY UNDERSTAND YOU!
“The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being. ”
You were never given the early socializing experiences that the rest of humanity did. You know… childhood with family, friends and society. And you’re angry and jealous about it now. You basically want everyone to have your development (read: none) so you don’t feel like such a freak.
Freak.
#61 What part of the quote is inaccurate?
Cite the precise words…
AND yes, he is the Science Czar.
Google it if you don’t like this tea party list.
He said a fetus become human, after birth, after being socialized, learning social skills…
Hitler would agree, especially when he declared certain folks, like Jews and Gypsies, non human…they never achieved socialization would have been a convenient thing for him say.
We had to wait for Obama’s Science Czar to learn how to dehumanize people, scientifically.
As a socialist…one might suspect where he will go with that.
And it would fit the temper of many posters here…look how they relate to conservatives…they want to kill them.
They can’t bring themselves to discuss the real issues…they smear everything said by them…even this blog is smears Personhood Amendment, as being against contraception…
Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of the work done here.
Declaring us non human would seem quite appropriate to him, and most posting here.
I die free.
64 AlfredETerrorist,
“I die free.”
Make sure you also do it alone.
#65 I will take as many of you with me, as I can….
Its time to beg your momma to allow you a long distance call…from the Ozarks, to Homeland Security…
And rat me out, like the troll you are.
What part of the quote is inaccurate?
Cite the precise words…
I didn’t say it was inaccurate. I said it was out of context. Taking a quote from a book written more than 30 years ago and not saying it was from a book the person co-wrote more than 30 years ago is taking it out of context.
AND yes, he is the Science Czar.
Just because you say it enough doesn’t make it true. Czar is a meaningless term. Just because you don’t know what he does doesn’t make him a Czar.
66 AlfredETerrorist
“I will take as many of you with me, as I can….”
Cowardly motherfucker. And you quote the Bible (KJV)? Why don’t you do everyone a favour and suck a shotgun barrel.
#68 As I said…
I die free.
Its why over 100,000, perhaps a million, of Americans went to Washington on 9/12…
Freedom…
Its worth it.
So before they ban smoking, they’ll ban birth control pills. They’d have to ban them totally. Because there’s no way they can patrol every woman’s uterus, to know if fertilization has been successful. The pill only prevents this. It doesn’t stop the cells growing, once they’ve become fertilized. So is this “law” about making sperm and eggs “persons”? How do they rationalize the fact that out of millions of sperm, only one actually makes it into the egg. And women loose eggs most of their life, without having given birth. These “Personhood” wackos obviously are operating in a biological vacuum, or fantasy world. Where the womb is a magical land of mystery. Don’t confuse them with any facts or reality.
Of course, just like during the Prohibition Era. Some stinkin politicians will back these nutjobs. In order to get into office. That got us a booze black market and speakeasy bars, back in the 1920s. And eventually lead to organized crime. What will banning birth control lead to in the 21th century? I shutter to think.
Hmmm. BTW, why would it be illegal to prevent new life in Floridah? But not execute old life? I mean, I’m pretty sure these very same “conservatives” support the death penalty in that state. Where do they think sperm and eggs come from? Thin air. People make them. And executing people, is preventing births too. And sending them off to wars, is also interrupting the life cycle. And letting cops use guns to reduce crime, also ends new life. And keeping kids from seeing adult movies, and teaching about sex, also screws up the life process. What particular part of the life cycle, do they approve of?! And who the hell appointed them GOD?! They should go away, and wait until their argues make any damn sense. Before applying to amend the State’s constitution. And politician ought to grow some balls, and roundly denounce these nutjobs. Instead of courting their causes.
Its why over 100,000, perhaps a million, of Americans went to Washington on 9/12…
There’s a big difference between 100,000 and a million.
72 jccalhoun,
When you’re a psychotic budding terrorist who is planning to “take as many of you with me, as I can” do you really think Alfred The Terrorist has any care about facts?
He’s threatened terrorism and now murder. The guy is a real nut.
#69: “I die free.”
What you haven’t figured out yet is that your ‘freedom’ is an illusion. When/if you ever figure out what I’m talking about, you are really going to be pissed.
It’s women’s fault, sadly. They outnumber us as voters, yet let this sh*t go on. Screw them if they can’t protect their own interests.
#72 Neither SEIU, ACORN or Organizing for America could field as many…they don’t have the cash…
Moreover, 1 Tea Party demonstrator is worth 100 of Obama’s astroturf with their factory made signs…
But we don’t stake out the elderly and bite their fingers off…so SEIU beats us on that score.
What you miss…we have jobs…businesses…so for everyone that showed up…there might be a million who wanted to, but couldn’t.
#74 My freedom is real, yours is not…you have enslaved yourself and made yourself fearful.
Being a doer, a producer, has taught me the lion in the courtyard…is mostly imaginary…that when you overcome fear and anxiety, and go forth to do whatever you have proposed to do…the obstacles aren’t as great as first thought…
when you actually go forth…what seemed like mountains, were actually small hills and sometimes, a level plain.
But you have enslaved yourself…in this great country, the land of opportunity…you fear everything…your ego would have you believe you are important, so THEY are watching you…keeping you down…
You are your worst enemy…you rob yourself of freedom…
I am free…and if Obama tries to take that from me..he’ll have fight on his hands..
I die free.
And I will take as many of you who would take that from me, with me.
#73 Beg your momma to pay for that long distance call to Homeland Security…and rat me out…
I’m sure you are good at squealing…
Then you do what comes natural to you.
#69, Alphie
Its why over 100,000, perhaps a million, of Americans went to Washington on 9/12…
The official estimates were from 50,000 to 65,000. By the Washington Fire Department. And they don’t use some university they can’t remember the name of.
#77, Alphie,
And I will take as many of you who would take that from me, with me.
And so there is another good reason we should do away with anonymity on the internet.
I worry that in the near future we will read about some deranged fanatic that shot up a mall because they allowed Sunday shopping.
If you are a plant then you are very good. If you are real, you are seriously sick.