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By Sunday September 20, 2009

This is what the American media is all about. And for anyone who hasn’t figured it out yet, they all lie.



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  1. derspankster says:
    9/21/2009 at 8:19 am

    Many, many morons out there that are too stupid and/or lazy to think for themselves (although that does require a brain) Instead, they tune in Fox and Glenn Beck and believe anything that fucking turd says.

    I must admit I’m jealous of the $23 mil/year or so he rakes in, but, I’m unsure how he can look himself in the mirror without either laughing or vomiting.

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  2. The Monster's Lawyer says:
    9/21/2009 at 9:09 am

    I don’t know who Rick Sanchez is but I do have to agree with him on this.

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  3. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 9:26 am

    #80 Van Jones was an avowed communist:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B4H4C4dFHs

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  4. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 9:27 am

    Oops, forgot to delete the www

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8B4H4C4dFHs

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  5. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 9:38 am

    #80 Moreover, my posts are not good technically speaking…lots of typos…and missing words…

    What makes this last one “good” is the intuitive correctness…

    Obama’s acts are inexplicable if one expected him to act in accord with classic liberalism…he wants the powers of the state to spy on its citizens even more than Bush…

    Contrary to his antiwar campaign…he seems just as war loving as Bush…if not more so.

    But if one infers from the premise he wants to destroy America…everything he is doing is explicable…predictable.

    His acts reveal a hatred for this country and its people.

    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
    Arthur Schopenhauer
    German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

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  6. jccalhoun says:
    9/21/2009 at 9:44 am

    just because you are being ridiculed doesn’t mean you are right.

    But if one infers from the premise he wants to destroy America…everything he is doing is explicable…predictable.

    There are a lot easier ways to destroy a country than what the President is doing.

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  7. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 10:34 am

    #86 For example, although small business creates most of the jobs…small business creation has been stopped by Obama’s policies and rhetoric against profit…and promises of much higher energy and taxes.

    His high deficits consume all investment capital…leaving none for business creation.

    Its impossible he is ignorant his policies are precisely what one does if they want high unemployment…

    …therefore he must be creating a crisis…because a crisis is too good to waste…in a crisis, the people will accept what they normally will reject…

    Then they will accept his vision of a Marxist fascist state.

    Americas chickens, letting the liberal loons school our children, have come home to roost.

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  8. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 10:55 am

    #86 Your argument there are easier ways to destroy the country…therefore Obama is not trying to destroy the country…would be valid only if no opposition would arise, if people know what is being done to the country.

    Saul Alinsky taught how to destroy…while not appearing to do so…

    Use the language of conservatives, to push liberal program…

    Invent victims that justify destroying, or regulating to death, those who exploited them…

    Everything Obama does is deception…

    For example, when Stephenopolis cited a dictionary to prove his was not misusing English…Obama cited the very act of using a dictionary…as PROOF “he was reaching.”

    It is clear Obama is a critical thinker…but not for truth, only to be a master of fallacy…to deceive.

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  9. jccalhoun says:
    9/21/2009 at 11:18 am

    Your argument there are easier ways to destroy the country…therefore Obama is not trying to destroy the country…would be valid only if no opposition would arise, if people know what is being done to the country.
    and your argument would be valid if it were logical and true. Which it isn’t. It is a conspiracy only one level above the Truthers and Birthers. Your argument is attributing malice where there is no evidence of any. Your argument is attributing everything bad that has happened as being directly caused by or taken advantage of by Obama. Your argument is that he is doing everything from ruining the economy before he was even elected to trying to remake the world in his image.

    And who is the person who knows the “truth?” a guy who didn’t even graduate from high school, doesn’t know how to apply logic correctly, and is a creationist. The simpler explanation is that the crazy theory is wrong…

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  10. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 11:46 am

    #89 Your explanation requires we ignore his radicalism…including associations…and actions.

    It is not simpler to ignore details…its unsound.

    Beck is irrelevant to the conclusion…therefor your ad hominem about him, is immaterial.

    Its is impossible he not realize his policies are hurting the economy, not helping.

    However, we can use his own speeches for proof…to say to Congress “my bill…provides xyz” when there is no bill under his name…is deceptive.

    The bills that are out there, do have death panels, do insure illegals, are a tax increase on those he promised would not see their taxes rise.

    If health care reform were really his concern, rather than a massive subjugation of the populace to Government, then he would open health care insurance to world wide competition…When Loyd’s of London is packing health care products….radical price reduction in insurance will be had…

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  11. bobbo, liberal, conservative and pragmatic says:
    9/21/2009 at 12:06 pm

    #90–jc==thats right. Alfie ((((HEY ALFIE!!!!!)) doesn’t have a clue about what a radical (like ME!) wants for this country. Everything Obama is doing is what BushietheRetard did except for Healthcare which is merely the re-introductions of plans put up by Nixon.

    But our country is in a tailspin to conservative right emotion politics, anti-science, and stupid single issue voters of this country. NOT liberal or left AT ALL.

    Alfie===the usual.

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  12. Guyver says:
    9/21/2009 at 12:27 pm

    Just stop watching / reading anything that claims to be objective. Even when people try to be objective, there will be nuggets of bias injected into what is being “covered”.

    If that’s not your style, just go to some place like Drudge Report where most “news” is at your fingertips.

    The lazy way out is read / watch / listen overtly biased sources and rely on those sources to rat the opposing viewpoint out. Afterwards, you can come to your own conclusions.

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  13. jccalhoun says:
    9/21/2009 at 12:53 pm

    Beck is irrelevant to the conclusion…therefor your ad hominem about him, is immaterial.

    What? Once again I have no idea what you are talking about.

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  14. Mr. Fusion says:
    9/21/2009 at 3:24 pm

    #93, jc,

    With all due respect sir, does anyone?

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  15. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 4:34 pm

    #93 Your response was a string of ad hominems (fallacies), irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent.

    Let’s review:

    It is a conspiracy only one level above the Truthers and Birthers.

    ad hominem.

    Your argument is attributing malice where there is no evidence of any. Your argument is attributing everything bad that has happened as being directly caused by or taken advantage of by Obama. Your argument is that he is doing everything from ruining the economy before he was even elected to trying to remake the world in his image.

    Straw man…while his votes as a senator, for the bailout, was bad for us…he wasn’t alone in that error and I never mentioned his acts before the election, as ruining the economy.

    Before the election he pretended to be a pragmatic centrist leaning left…recall he spoke about tax cuts…no earmarks…going line by line to cut the budget deficit…

    That is not the Obama we have today.

    And who is the person who knows the “truth?” a guy who didn’t even graduate from high school, doesn’t know how to apply logic correctly, and is a creationist. The simpler explanation is that the crazy theory is wrong…

    I assumed this ad hominem was spoken against Glen Beck…either way, its a fallacy this has anything to do with sound thinking.

    Anyone can speak truth, even Hitler…therefore the messenger is irrelevant to the soundness of the message…

    Therefore you are not applying logic correctly.

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  16. jccalhoun says:
    9/21/2009 at 6:09 pm

    Dude, did Glenn Beck drop out of high school? Is Glenn Beck a creationist? I seem to remember someone on here claiming to be a high school drop out. Or was that a lie?

    Claiming that a conspiracy theory is only one step above other conspiracies is not “ad hominem” by any stretch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    nor is it a straw man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Even if you didn’t mention the economy, calling it a “straw man” is not a refutation of the assertion: Your argument is attributing malice where there is no evidence of any. Your argument is attributing everything bad that has happened as being directly caused by or taken advantage of by Obama.

    You wrote, Anyone can speak truth, even Hitler…therefore the messenger is irrelevant to the soundness of the message…

    It is not irrelevant when discussing the likelihood of the accuracy of that message. If the person saying that the sky is falling is someone who is wrong about nearly everything else, it is logical to doubt that person is right this time as well.

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  17. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 7:35 pm

    #96 If you refer to logic, someone’s lack of it, it behooves you to somewhat knowledgeable about it.

    Ad hominem is a fallacy because the messenger is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent when trying to determine the truth of the message.

    For example, if Hitler said “2+2=4″ its entirely beside the truth of that statement he was a “madman, murderer, left loon…etc.”

    “2+2=4″ regardless of such ad hominem.

    So Glen Beck is irrelevant to the truth of what he communicated…

    Logic is the study of arguments. Arguments are composed of a conclusion, and one or more premises…The premises are the evidence for the conclusion.

    To prove an argument unsound, you don’t attack the messenger, he is irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent to the argument…you attack the premise, prove it false, or prove the conclusion is non sequitur…irrelevant to the point being made.

    That you failed to do…

    You have not acted logically.

    Everything about the person, including any track record, is irrelevant.

    The only time a person is relevant, is when the fact DEPENDS upon them, their truthfulness, as when they are a witness to an event. Then their “track record” is material…

    Nothing discussed here is in the nature of testimony…its all conclusions upon premises…rendering ad hominem, a fallacy.

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  18. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 7:39 pm

    “…, or prove the conclusion is non sequitur…irrelevant to the point being made”

    I meant,

    “or prove the conclusion is non sequitur…irrelevant to the premise cited.”

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  19. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 7:40 pm

    The Fox ad was accurate, by smearing the tea parties as racist tea baggers without a clue, CNN missed the story.

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  20. Alfred1 says:
    9/21/2009 at 7:46 pm

    #96 When you attribute a premise to an opponent, and he calls it a straw man, that is, a position he doesn’t hold…

    That is the refutation…no more is needed.

    For example, If I claimed you believed in a flat earth, but you denied it, your declaration suffices to refute my claim…

    No more proof from you is required.

    If I insisted you did believe in a flat earth, then I would have to prove that is your belief, by citing something you said to that effect…

    My claim is refuted until I proved you weren’t truthful…the straw man is defeated simply by your saying “I don’t believe in a flat earth…and never have.”

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