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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Even THINK About Using iPhone Apps For Business Use!</title>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-2/#comment-1581901</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 And you know is photoshop&#039;d because you&#039;d have no signal if you hold the toy that way. You know, another great design from the mac team. http://tinyurl.com/y8lwlyc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 And you know is photoshop&#8217;d because you&#8217;d have no signal if you hold the toy that way. You know, another great design from the mac team. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/y8lwlyc" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/y8lwlyc' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/y8lwlyc</a></p>
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		<title>By: interglacialman</title>
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		<dc:creator>interglacialman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very pretty, but someone needs to show her how to hold a phone properly or she might end up on PhotoshopDisasters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very pretty, but someone needs to show her how to hold a phone properly or she might end up on PhotoshopDisasters.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'nKangaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581682</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'nKangaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13  Thanks for clearing that up about it being a VAT rolled into the purchase price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13  Thanks for clearing that up about it being a VAT rolled into the purchase price.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581519</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 The oy!Phone is the one that looks photoshop&#039;d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 The oy!Phone is the one that looks photoshop&#8217;d.</p>
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		<title>By: The0ne</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581466</link>
		<dc:creator>The0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bra looks photoshopped. Any agree? She&#039;s hot imo :o It&#039;s the tan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bra looks photoshopped. Any agree? She&#8217;s hot imo <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s the tan!</p>
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		<title>By: seapilot</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581383</link>
		<dc:creator>seapilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are such nerds.  The photo has a great chest.  That&#039;s all I care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are such nerds.  The photo has a great chest.  That&#8217;s all I care about.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581378</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 That&#039;s the point. You need your toy to be connected either wirelessly or synched. That&#039;s something any phone does. They must know each other in order to do anything. No way of actual collaboration with others unless you have that connection established with your toy.

I give you one thing though. It&#039;s quite brave of you to go against god steve&#039;s orders that your toy is for noncommercial use &amp; you&#039;re trying to do actual work (I&#039;m taking your word here) with a toy, aside for being quite cute in doing so. It must be like watching a little child with a toy drill emulate his dad drilling a hole.

#14 I though it was understood that mac owners are mostly braindead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 That&#8217;s the point. You need your toy to be connected either wirelessly or synched. That&#8217;s something any phone does. They must know each other in order to do anything. No way of actual collaboration with others unless you have that connection established with your toy.</p>
<p>I give you one thing though. It&#8217;s quite brave of you to go against god steve&#8217;s orders that your toy is for noncommercial use &amp; you&#8217;re trying to do actual work (I&#8217;m taking your word here) with a toy, aside for being quite cute in doing so. It must be like watching a little child with a toy drill emulate his dad drilling a hole.</p>
<p>#14 I though it was understood that mac owners are mostly braindead.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will leave the fan boys and their bashers to have it out.

I will merely note that I thought Apple was trying to market the iphone to businesses in which case claiming that they weren&#039;t is not merely stupid;  it&#039;s stooopid. A local term for doing something seriously brain dead. 

I suspect that marketing and legal haven&#039;t been talking to each other again and the peon that answered the phone is completely out of the information loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will leave the fan boys and their bashers to have it out.</p>
<p>I will merely note that I thought Apple was trying to market the iphone to businesses in which case claiming that they weren&#8217;t is not merely stupid;  it&#8217;s stooopid. A local term for doing something seriously brain dead. </p>
<p>I suspect that marketing and legal haven&#8217;t been talking to each other again and the peon that answered the phone is completely out of the information loop.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK... from the comments, no one read the article. True, the way the blurb is written, the story makes no sense. Who calls a vendor for tax advice?

The issue has to do with the way Apple doesn&#039;t handle VAT correctly.

The problem is that Apple doesn&#039;t report the VAT (a sales tax) collected on purchases. The receipt was supposed to have the VAT as a line item. This allows consumers to track how much VAT they have paid for tax reasons. He needs a receipt with the VAT listed to qualify for a tax deduction for VAT he paid.

What is weird is that Apple hasn&#039;t been attacked by the tax department for failure to follow the law. In all countries that I&#039;ve lived in, VAT collected has to be a line item on the receipt.

So it really is Apple&#039;s bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230; from the comments, no one read the article. True, the way the blurb is written, the story makes no sense. Who calls a vendor for tax advice?</p>
<p>The issue has to do with the way Apple doesn&#8217;t handle VAT correctly.</p>
<p>The problem is that Apple doesn&#8217;t report the VAT (a sales tax) collected on purchases. The receipt was supposed to have the VAT as a line item. This allows consumers to track how much VAT they have paid for tax reasons. He needs a receipt with the VAT listed to qualify for a tax deduction for VAT he paid.</p>
<p>What is weird is that Apple hasn&#8217;t been attacked by the tax department for failure to follow the law. In all countries that I&#8217;ve lived in, VAT collected has to be a line item on the receipt.</p>
<p>So it really is Apple&#8217;s bad.</p>
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		<title>By: jobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 I have no problem moving files back and forth from itouch to computer wirelessly or connected. I have apps that sync and can be edited. Big deal. 

You said shipped, but we all know that it doesn&#039;t ship that way anymore. I said it comes with copy &amp; paste out of the box and we all know it does. 

Don&#039;t need to rationalize anything I know it&#039;s a great toy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 I have no problem moving files back and forth from itouch to computer wirelessly or connected. I have apps that sync and can be edited. Big deal. </p>
<p>You said shipped, but we all know that it doesn&#8217;t ship that way anymore. I said it comes with copy &amp; paste out of the box and we all know it does. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t need to rationalize anything I know it&#8217;s a great toy.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there goes the plan of charging workers for their personal use of cell phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there goes the plan of charging workers for their personal use of cell phones.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an idiot.  I always call Infiniti to to get mileage deduction advice and Microsoft to write off my MDSN subscription.

Oh, and yes, i am in business and have said iPhone.  Oh and I do business on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an idiot.  I always call Infiniti to to get mileage deduction advice and Microsoft to write off my MDSN subscription.</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, i am in business and have said iPhone.  Oh and I do business on it.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581344</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 Reading comprehension, have you?

It has it now, after 3 software versions. It didn&#039;t when it shipped (came out), or are you gonna tell us this is a lie?

But hey, whatever gets you thru the night. Keep rationalizing what a great toy you have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 Reading comprehension, have you?</p>
<p>It has it now, after 3 software versions. It didn&#8217;t when it shipped (came out), or are you gonna tell us this is a lie?</p>
<p>But hey, whatever gets you thru the night. Keep rationalizing what a great toy you have.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/23/dont-even-think-about-using-iphone-apps-for-business-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1581319</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 Well, to tell you the truth, I&#039;m doing quite OK. Doing things that blow people&#039;s mind and in complete disbelief that what I have in my hand is a phone. Hope you can just install a file from your oy!phone to another computer or take a file from a computer, without the need of e-mail or synch, and use it/edit it on your oy!Phone. Let me know when that happens. I&#039;ll be waiting here in my comfy seat.

I bet people using Android are doing these kinds of things too. Real work.

But again, who in their right mind buys an oy!Phone for anything other than playing around. It&#039;s like buying a Nintendo DS and complaining you cannot send a mms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 Well, to tell you the truth, I&#8217;m doing quite OK. Doing things that blow people&#8217;s mind and in complete disbelief that what I have in my hand is a phone. Hope you can just install a file from your oy!phone to another computer or take a file from a computer, without the need of e-mail or synch, and use it/edit it on your oy!Phone. Let me know when that happens. I&#8217;ll be waiting here in my comfy seat.</p>
<p>I bet people using Android are doing these kinds of things too. Real work.</p>
<p>But again, who in their right mind buys an oy!Phone for anything other than playing around. It&#8217;s like buying a Nintendo DS and complaining you cannot send a mms</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, Alphie,

Valid response. 

Apple though should have declined to offer an answer at all and referred him to a tax specialist. 

Instead they denied their product was actually for the use it is advertised for. I can see some lawyer, especially in the EU using this in an anti-trust case against Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, Alphie,</p>
<p>Valid response. </p>
<p>Apple though should have declined to offer an answer at all and referred him to a tax specialist. </p>
<p>Instead they denied their product was actually for the use it is advertised for. I can see some lawyer, especially in the EU using this in an anti-trust case against Apple.</p>
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