Constitution — Article VI Says Treaties are as Good as Legal Gold?

By Saturday October 17, 2009

LII: Constitution — read this before watching the video.

Found by Cubachi via Twitter.



80 Comments
  1. t0llyb0ng says:
    10/18/2009 at 10:14 am

    Quote from #37:

    “Spreading the wealth” isn’t going to “save the planet.” The money will just end up going to rich bastards who don’t need it.

    % % % % % % % %

    I’ll second that & add that it just encourages useless skanks to birth another damn baby.

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  2. qb says:
    10/18/2009 at 10:17 am

    #37 FRAGaLOT

    I’m with you in a lot of ways on this. I think investment in emerging economies is the future but the problem I have with this treaty is it ties a large scale investment model with environmental improvements.

    All I have to do is look at the US financial system to know that large scale models are a fool’s paradise. Also, large scale government subsidies in the mortgage and energy sectors have made the US uncompetitive in these sectors.

    I think a model of easier direct investment in emerging economies is great. Personally I get very reasonable returns and actually enjoy investing. I think leveling the playing field from a governmental point of view (e.g. tax laws and tariffs) would encourage new investment without depending on inter-governmental agencies and NGO’s to supply the muscle is pointless.

    Personally I think most people want to do the right thing, we’re just restricted from doing it since the only reasonable tax model is through havens like Churches and NGO’s. Both control your investment dollars with near zero benefits.

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  3. chrish says:
    10/18/2009 at 10:22 am

    A treaty is not the “law of the land” until signed by the president AND ratified by 2/3 of the senate. See U.S. Const. Art. II, Sec. 2.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html

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  4. bobbo, international pastry chef and constitutional scholar says:
    10/18/2009 at 10:25 am

    #37–frag==I’ll chime in my agreement too. It reminds me of an article I read about how USA “cleaned up” its air by moving all its manufacturing to Mexico and the Asian Tiger. Now, Mexico and China etc have all the money from that production but all the pollution too and America is “proud” of how air/water quality has improved over the years. We think it has something to do with “concern” over the environment====hah, hah!!!

    No–I think whoever winds up with the money to do so needs to apply that money themselves to the SOURCE of the pollution. Certain interpretations of cap and trade say they get to that nugget, but it still is several steps removed with all kinds of wiggle room.

    Given USA doesn’t pollute because it doesn’t manufacture==we should sign as many treaties resticting this as we wish==but those who do pollute in such ways won’t sign. And the world continues to stumble on. Course, we do burn a lot of coal. We can just exempt ourselves from the coal provisions then.

    The fall is quite pleasant until the last two feet.

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  5. Box says:
    10/18/2009 at 10:28 am

    What a nob “green peace is communist” – i hear all europeans eat babies.

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  6. bobbo, international pastry chef and constitutional scholar says:
    10/18/2009 at 10:33 am

    #43–chrish==and the important part of that high requirement is that Art % requires a 3/4 vote adoption by the individual states to amend the Constitution==an almost impossible burden==much higher, much more secure against corruption and insider dealing, than mere votes in Congress.

    It would have made “sense” to make treaties on the same level as Constitutional provisions==that way the Supremes could strike the provision down by express authority. Now, they can only do so by their authority gained by respect.

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  7. pedro says:
    10/18/2009 at 12:02 pm

    #35 Communism is not dead, naive grasshopper. It’s just moving closer to the US.

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  8. simongiln says:
    10/18/2009 at 12:12 pm

    Wow, this guy is just a rapid fire BS machine, isn’t he?

    1. Treaties are signed “*under* the authority of the United States”; thus *below* the US constitution, not above it.(article VI).

    2. 2/3 of the senate needs vote for the treaty as well (article II sec 2).

    3. ALL commerce with foreign nations is exclusively regulated by the US congress, not the president (Article I sec 8).

    4. Global Warming is real… Argue about specifics in terms of *how much* we’re contributing to it vs natural environmental factors, but there’s no real argument about *whether* we are.

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  9. bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist says:
    10/18/2009 at 1:06 pm

    #47–Pedro==as defined/demonstrated by #35==of course communism is dead. “Moving closer to the US” sounds meaningful but is rhetorically void.

    Times change my cold warrior.

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  10. Dr Dodd says:
    10/18/2009 at 1:08 pm

    #48-simongiln-Global Warming is real.

    I see that you are behind the times – didn’t you get the word from Algore that it’s back to global cooling.

    If you are going to fleece the sheep you should at least recognize what is happening on the planet before you commit to another false global disaster.

    Global warming – I hate disorganized con jobs.

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  11. bobbo, is it hot in here, or just me says:
    10/18/2009 at 1:21 pm

    #50–Dr Doodiepants==got a link? I stopped following global warming issue but I would guess with Algore’s financial backing of carbon credits he will be rotting in his glacier covered grave before he would hint warming is not the trend.

    Got a link to what you misread?

    On the cooling issue: yes, last year is the largest temperature “ever” recorded according to:

    http://dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

    I would have thought the temp drop after that volcano erupted would have been a bigger drop?–but maybe second place.

    Yes==too many variables for the bumper sticker crowd to comprehend. Keep your panties filled Dr.

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  12. Dr Dodd says:
    10/18/2009 at 1:32 pm

    #51-boob-got a link?

    Who needs a link? I can freeze the brass monkeys just by walking outside.

    Yes, you are right about Algore ever denying global warming, but it does make you wonder if carbon credits will be the new currency of the New World Order.

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  13. qb says:
    10/18/2009 at 1:40 pm

    bobbo

    In a nutshell, if we see more variability in a closed system then we’re buggered. By 2050, it will all be a moot point one way or another.

    Some things are clear. Species are being wiped out at a tremendous rate. That can’t be good for our own species’ health and survival and has ethical implications. Also, our economic system is deriving diminishing returns from a heavily subsidized carbon based economy. The price curve will eventually throttle growth.

    Staying the current course is what losers do. Winners innovate and switch long before the old dies away.

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  14. meetsy says:
    10/18/2009 at 1:49 pm

    How much can Obama get for the US?
    I’m sure he’d sell us for the right price…

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  15. qb says:
    10/18/2009 at 2:21 pm

    bobbo, you were baking and you didn’t invite me over?

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  16. bobbo, is it hot in here, or just me says:
    10/18/2009 at 2:36 pm

    #53–qb==you are leavening a smorgasbord of issues there. I’m not being too disengenuous to challenge you thusly:

    1. Define variability? Over what length of time defines “a trend?”

    2. I think our population growth/resource utilization is so steep that in a vacuum without descriptions or definitions, yea, I kinda agree==most “things”/issues will be moot by 2050. Or not: “How long will this smell last?” comes to mind.

    3. I think almost all species can be wiped out without little to no impact on homo sapiens. The only real issue is we don’t know which ones, which combinations of ones, is critical to our own survivial, or survival in numbers we want to have. I think nature is going to force that issue on us.

    4. I see NO MORAL ISSUES at all. Other than existential ones you wish to make up for yourself.

    5. What would unlimited free energy do to any price/consumption/sustainability curve?

    Yes, baking is good for the soul. I hear juggling is too but you can’t eat bowling balls. Drop by anytime and you can lend a hand. Don’t cook-don’t eat:

    http://drinksmediawire.com/upload/images/cdp/grand/croissant_clayetteHD.jpg

    even better: pastry viennesse

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  17. pedro says:
    10/18/2009 at 2:37 pm

    #49 Sure. Go tell communism is dead to all political prisoners in venezuela to see what they answer you back.

    Just so you know, a new special day has been marked in venezuela’s school calendar. It’s called the socialist day. In it, students will be told what amazing human being che guevara and Karl Marx were http://tinyurl.com/yfxryue

    The same turn to communism is being also pushed on Bolivia, Ecuador, & Nicaragua (again here, with the same nutball & proven pedophile called daniel ortega). Honduras is on such problems today because they stopped the goon who was about to turn Honduras too.

    So, care to re-state that argument of yours?

    BTW, loved this week Parks & Recreation episode. I don’t know if they were mocking more venezuelans or Americans. Trivia for those that don’t know: Fred Armisen is venezuelan. He nailed the current venezuelan officials’ nature spot on. Not to mention how nicely put the US (and all countries accepting venezuelan money) stupid position on the matter is.

    Only 5 minutes into the episode, I knew it was going to end with the venezuelans buying the Parks & Recreation people out, so they could have nice PR and make Americans look like fools, just as Dumbya did and now Obama is also doing.

    BTW, how’s that oil for the Bronx deal doing?

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  18. bobbo, international pastry chef and economic misanthrop says:
    10/18/2009 at 2:43 pm

    Dr Dodd==I’m pretty sure future economics for the “haves” will be carbon credits backed by government guaranteed debt swap insurance certificates, but the peeples will have switched to the taco for daily transactions. Change in chips.

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  19. pedro says:
    10/18/2009 at 2:47 pm

    And bobbo, since an image’s worth a thousand words, here’s a pic taken at the entrance of one of the buildings of the venezuelan’s justice department. http://tinyurl.com/yf9k65w

    Yes, that’s the cuban flag being displayed there permanently

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  20. bobbo, international pastry chef and economic misanthrop says:
    10/18/2009 at 2:49 pm

    #57–Pedro==I recognize YOU are the expert in all things south of the border. I just don’t know why you won’t cure my rash.

    I don’t think any part of South America starting with Mexico has enough social adhesion to go commie. Strong Man dictator is all they have beside corporate thugocracy. Thats not communism.

    =====”So, care to re-state that argument of yours?==== Well, if you think Carl Marx was a communist, thats our disagreement right there. Marx was, Marx was – - – - well, a Marxist!!!

    Your analysis is as stoopid as calling the Catholic Church a follower of Jebus. Jebus would give no tithe to the religion in and of his name. Neither would Marx.

    I assume either one of us could define communism so that it included or excluded whatever we wanted to? Therefore, you post only to argue about it. Something I am too pure to do.

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