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Now someone needs to create the middle of the road panel which fits the vast majority of the country. And, of course, the panel for those who just don’t give a crap.
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Idiotic.
Communism on the left — but no Fascism on the right.
The right does NOT “interfere” in society and my private life? Are you effing kidding me?
The right — which dictates which substances I can and cannot put in my body?
The right — which wants the police to have unlimited access to my private space?
The right — which demands that my tax dollars fund their religion?
The right — which tells me whom I can and cannot marry?
The right — which tells me I should go to jail for free speech directed against authority figures? (Gates)
Yes, the right is all about “non-interference” … I guess this is why they forgot to put Fascism on the spectrum…
BB, I think this is a pretty good system.
Liberal vs Conservative on one axis, Authoritarian vs Libertarian on the other.
Take the quiz, its pretty interesting.
#11, I like the Nolan Chart a lot better or the Worlds Smallest Political Quiz.
18, Agreed 100%
#22, Cool test.
Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
I found it funny they are calling Libertarianism Neo-Liberalism.
#22 I fall just to the left of Angela Merkel. I am usually more Libertarian than that on the smallest political quiz.
The right side should be amended to say “Borrow and Spend” vs the left “Tax and Spend”.
#2 You’re a tool
#17 Pete
I suspect CBS was trying to avoid the “flaming liberal” by making it a “flaming conservative.”
I think that NBC went with the more traditional color assignment.
Looking at red and blue states from 1956 to 1976 is interesting.
Solid Republican except for the Democratic South in 56
http://tinyurl.com/1956Election
#13
Thats what I was wondering
Whats fun with many psychometric evaluations, like this one is=all you have to do is plot how many points of agreement you have on either side, is how the results in certain cases can be very predictive of things that seem to have no relationship:
1. Would you rather ride a motorcycle or build a bookcase?
2. The type of mate you would be most interested in verses the most happy with.
and so on. We are all unique, and all the same.
Doh! #14*
Communist should not be in the main header for the left. You could make a case for socialist (wanting all to govern equally), however. The right should have fascist (wanting corporations to govern) on theirs.
# 16 LibertyLover
> All campaigns should be publicly financed to
> remove control of government by wealthy
> individuals and corporations both here and
> abroad.
I’ve put some thought into this.
My biggest concern is it violates the freedom to associate — sending money to whom you wish.
Interestingly, if you do not allow people to spend even their own money on elections, then you just end up with needing to enforce outright bribery laws. And, there is a limit, albeit fairly high at $12,000 last I checked, to how much tax free money you can gift to someone.
Anyway, I don’t claim to have all of the answers. But, it would be a start.
> remember, from strict definitions of
> the terms: the opposite of conservative is
> progressive; the opposite of liberal is stingy.
Nice. I’m stealing that.
Go for it. It’s not original on my part either.
#19 – LibertyLover,
I think the democrats should be portrayed as piss-yellow and the republicans as shit-brown.
Ah, so you do think one is worse than the other. I agree with your color scheme.
To others who question the liberal/libertarian similarities, I would state as a liberal that I feel far closer to libertarians than to other somewhat similar mind sets.
We share more than the first 5 letters of our labels. True libertarians are socially liberal, just as liberals are, hence the similarity in the names. Both want maximal human rights and freedoms.
The differences only come in when we look at what services we want from government. Liberals tend to want a government that assures a certain base level of living standard that is above abject poverty. Libertarians believe in the freedom to starve (Heinlein’s phrase, not mine. And he thought it was a positive statement. So, I’m not being disparaging.)
What makes more sense is to think of the political compass, which separates out the social from the financial and allows for a finer grained division to understand our similarities and differences.
That said, those of us who are liber(al|tarian)s should really try to work together on our common goals more often. There are far worse people out there than either of us.
We need to stop the big-government, borrow-and-bomb repugnicans who we both hate and who hold a position antithetical to all that is good and decent and moral, for example.
We also need to stop those who would turn this once-great nation into a theocracy.
#34 – me,
I probably should have split that post. Most of it has nothing to do with LibertyLover.
#25 – LibertyLover,
Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
This is what I mean about concentrating on our similarities rather than our differences.
Here’s one from a seriously radical liberal, me.
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31
So, don’t think you can offend me by calling me extremist. I know I am. I’m more left and libertarian than Ghandi, Mandela, and the Dalai Lama.
My quick summation of what my scores mean is this:
I believe people should be as free as possible and that corporations require tremendous regulation.
A corporation is a tool, like a hammer, created by humans for humans’ purposes. Like a hammer, it is not a life form and has no inherent rights. It should be used solely to limit personal financial liability. It should not provide protection from one’s own actions that may be criminal or negligent or both.
#35–Scott==”I probably should have split that post. Most of it has nothing to do with LibertyLover.” //// Heh, heh==as in liberals and libertarians having much in common doesn’t include the infantile fantasies of LL? True nuff.
#27 – Dallas,
The right side should be amended to say “Borrow and Spend” vs the left “Tax and Spend”.
I prefer borrow-and-bomb to describe today’s neocon right wing radical non-conservative reactionary nut jobs.
But, this diagram is about the classic definitions which have mostly been forgotten.
#3 – LibertyLover,
I just got around to following the link in that post. All I should say is “Godwin’s Law: You lose.”
What I will say (that I shouldn’t) is that comparisons between Adolf and the current leaders in the U.S. really belittles the holocaust and disrespects those who lost family and friends during the time.
Pointing out that W may indeed have been following the Mussolini 10 step process may be valid. But, closing a society and making it totalitarian does not necessarily result in a holocaust. It does result in a really bad system and does indeed kill.
However, I think you may be overlooking the systematic genocide that did take place in WW II but has not (yet) even been hinted at within the U.S. Try to keep a sense of proportion about this.
Dang. I forgot to close my bold tag after the close quote. Sorry.
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