They are obviously the problem, not the fix.

The private insurance companies have a lot to lose so they are spending millions on these shills that talk about death panels and these congressmen who cite against public reform. They have successfully framed this as a healthcare debate, when nothing here will change your healthcare. You keep your doctors, you keep your insurance, nothing changes
except hopefully the price goes down.

A sick and bankrupt workforce cannot compete globally and cannot buy products. Preventitive medicine, which can only be done if people
can afford to go to the doctor, will save this country billions if not trillions of dollars. Healthy Americans can be more productive. It’s simple.

But are the European health care ‘companies’ all quasi government industries? And as such are immune to bankruptcy since the government will just give them more money?

You don’t know the answer to the question, so we’ll ignore it. But, I DO know that some private companies like Goldman Sachs and AIG got some serious cash for fucking up the economy… But, since they’re American, Fuck Yeah, it’s OK?

And you used a USA source..

Pedro,
you know whats happening. And you are correct.

whats happening is the 1 side has done something that LOOKS GOOD, and the other side is Jealous.

I love these idiots that ask..WWJD(what would Jesus do) AND bitch about socialist/communism and dont understand that SHARING is not commercialism.

IF’ the CORPS dont treat us RIGHT, the GOV has to FIX IT..
If’ you are paying to MUCH for medical GUESS WHO will fix it? THAt is the role of government.

UNDERSTAND…
LESS THEN $10 per hour and LESS THEN 32 hours..in 1 JOB…
NO BENEFITS…
LESS THEN $15 an hour and FULL TIME…STILL NO BENEFITS..you pay them yourself. thats 20% of your MONTHLY PAY..

figure it out.
NO MEDICAL COVERAGE…

Sure we need health care reform. I want health care reform.

All I see is couple of trillion dollars being flushed as the government sets up another underfunded, poorly run program that avoids any measures that might reduce health care costs and exempts unions and such while bleeping over those on their enemies lists.

They don’t even want you to buy meds from Canada. No you have to buy in the states so the drug companies can rob you. There is no tort reform because the tort lawyers have paid their dues to the Democratic Party according to Howard Dean as posted on Youtube.

What do you achieve to reduce medical costs by taxing medical equipment? The health care consumer is going to have to pay the tax.

True the Dems did get mad a the health insurers for not paying the designated extortion and shutting up and are going to revoke their right to fix prices but they should have done that anyway. The reason they are doing it bleeps.

This a totally sold out, bleeped over abomination that is almost certain to increase the amount Americans spend on health care while giving them much less.

Right now _every_ American owns over $340,000 on the dept. I would not be shocked if our far sighted leaders double or triple it again this year given the chance.

The people running this nation are not just handing the next generation bleep on a stick. They are handing most of the younger adults alive now bleep on a stick because I don’t think it’s going to take ten years for the buzzards to come home to roost on this mess.

You guys have fun. Eat drink and be merry today for soon enough the nation will be bankrupt and then you will be lucky to have a can of beans to eat even though you may well be a trillionaire.

Nonsense!

Total nonsense.

Medicare has greatly reduced poverty and increased life expectancy among our seniors.

The post office has a been a TREMENDOUS INFRASTRUCTURE TOOL for business. (just ask Netflix.)

I personally really like our National Parks and owe a debt of gratitude to my public university education, the fire department, the FAA and the police.

Oh, and defeating the Nazis was kinda cool.

How has Franken ever been a “dick”?

Or did you just get that general impression about him from watching Fox? You know those guys just make crap up. Perhaps you can find some isolated instances but I doubt this is a pattern with him, despite what O’Reilly wants you to believe.

I was a fan of his radio show and he certainly had strong opinions — but he was fair to those who opposed him. Even more, he would correct guests and callers who where mis-characterizing the Right. This is a rare but valuable quality.

Especially compared to Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh who can be such jerks if any caller or guest dare question them.

What I especially appreciated about Franken was that he argued against what conservatives ACTUALLY BELIEVE and what they REALLY DO. Yes, he argued hard and effectively (and thus, maybe was a “dick” if you lost the debate with him) but he argued fairly.

Rush Limbaugh and his army of media wannabes spend their whole careers mis-characterizing what we liberals really believe and do — and then they argue against their own lies about us. At no point is there a real debate.

They are cynically and relentlessly unfair, untruthful and cheap. Franken was not that.

#29 I see your point. Is good and valid… but, what I’ve seen so far as healthcare reform in the US is scary.

Not to mention that in your own words, you guys have 25 years trying to get the train running and is just stuttering.

All I see in the end is just bringing false hope by giving crappy healthcare. And then people get mad at the likes of John Edwards.

Believe, I’m more with you on this than you think, only I don’t see the US on the right track. Too many agendas.

#31 So far, I like what I’ve seen from Franken. But if he ever get to the white house, it would be a blast to see SNL make fun of president Stewart Smalley.

#35 Don’t be so naive, the current bill is shite.

The whole question sounds like it is silly to begin with. There are no bankruptcies in France due to medical costs because the government pays for them all. And EVERYONE knows that governments can’t go bankrupt. Right?

A socialized government run health care system won’t “go” bankrupt because the government already IS bankrupt. What a time saver.

Life expectancy first CIA data

France 80.98 yrr. ranked # 9
Switzerland 80.25 yrs. ranked #10
Germany 79.26 yrs. ranked #32
United States 78.11 yrs. ranked #50

Now Health care Costs as % of GDP(2004)

United States 15.4% ranked # 1
Switzerland 11.5% ranked # 6
Germany 10.6% ranked # 9
France 10.5% ranked # 10

So lets see Switzerland, Germany, & France spend significantly less money on health care then we do and get better results.

But of course our system is better because everyone knows that spending more money to get worse results is better.

Bull Shit.