Comments on: People Fleeing New York in Droves… Taxed to Death! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:23:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595557 Misanthropic Scott Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:31:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595557 #47 - amodedoma, You haven't been here since the 70s, have you? Things are quite a bit different now. We also have the lowest crime rate of any major city in the U.S. But, don't tell anyone. We've got enough new people moving in, despite this stupid NY Post article. Want to read about sports? Read the Post. Want to read news? Try the Times. The Times isn't perfect, of course. But, the Post is a rag. #47 – amodedoma,

You haven’t been here since the 70s, have you? Things are quite a bit different now. We also have the lowest crime rate of any major city in the U.S.

But, don’t tell anyone. We’ve got enough new people moving in, despite this stupid NY Post article. Want to read about sports? Read the Post. Want to read news? Try the Times. The Times isn’t perfect, of course. But, the Post is a rag.

]]> By: amodedoma http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595414 amodedoma Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:45:01 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595414 Mick Jagger said it best--- Don't you know the crime rate is going up, up, up, up, up To live in this town you must be tough, tough, tough, tough, tough! You got rats on the west side Bed bugs uptown What a mess this town's in tatters I've been shattered My brain's been battered, splattered all over Manhattan Uh-huh, this town's full of money grabbers Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don't mind the maggots... Shadoobie, shattered, shattered. Mick Jagger said it best—

Don’t you know the crime rate is going up, up, up, up, up
To live in this town you must be tough, tough, tough, tough, tough!
You got rats on the west side
Bed bugs uptown
What a mess this town’s in tatters I’ve been shattered
My brain’s been battered, splattered all over Manhattan

Uh-huh, this town’s full of money grabbers
Go ahead, bite the Big Apple, don’t mind the maggots…

Shadoobie, shattered, shattered.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595380 MikeN Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:44:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595380 New York had for 2007 a 6.85% top tax rate, vs 3% in Pennsylvania, 5.3% in Mass, 8.97% in NJ, 5.95% in Delaware, and 5.0% in Connecticut. Then Paterson raised rates on the rich. New York had for 2007 a 6.85% top tax rate, vs 3% in Pennsylvania, 5.3% in Mass, 8.97% in NJ, 5.95% in Delaware, and 5.0% in Connecticut.

Then Paterson raised rates on the rich.

]]> By: StoopidFlanders http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595377 StoopidFlanders Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:41:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595377 Interesting #44, please enlighten us. Care to share your solution? Interesting #44, please enlighten us. Care to share your solution?

]]> By: amodedoma http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595371 amodedoma Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:26:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595371 I read a lot of posts in this blog made by mindless individuals who are only interested in fixing political blame, meanwhile the problems go unsolved. No new perspectives, no intelligent proposals, just mindless bullshit. Just like the politicians they seem to be obsessing on. It's not gonna be fun when the shitstorms begin, and these people are going to be a serious obstacle to getting things done when they do. I read a lot of posts in this blog made by mindless individuals who are only interested in fixing political blame, meanwhile the problems go unsolved. No new perspectives, no intelligent proposals, just mindless bullshit. Just like the politicians they seem to be obsessing on. It’s not gonna be fun when the shitstorms begin, and these people are going to be a serious obstacle to getting things done when they do.

]]> By: Alphie's very sorry Daddy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595329 Alphie's very sorry Daddy Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:38:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595329 #42, Alphie, Why are you quoting someone democratically elected? You do prefer dictators. ... <i>smart idea of Obama…run off the rich lest they invest in business and hire people…very smart.</i> I guess you think someone should hire you? <a href="http://koti.mbnet.fi/pu82/fugly.gif" rel="nofollow">What chair could hold your butt</a>? #42, Alphie,

Why are you quoting someone democratically elected? You do prefer dictators.

… smart idea of Obama…run off the rich lest they invest in business and hire people…very smart.

I guess you think someone should hire you? What chair could hold your butt?

]]> By: Alfred1 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595298 Alfred1 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:21:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595298 A quote attributed to Margaret Thatcher: <b> "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]." </b> Escape from the USA is already happening...smart idea of Obama...run off the rich lest they invest in business and hire people...very smart. A quote attributed to Margaret Thatcher:

“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money [to spend].”

Escape from the USA is already happening…smart idea of Obama…run off the rich lest they invest in business and hire people…very smart.

]]> By: Lou http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595291 Lou Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:35:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595291 It costs alot to run a police state/city. It costs alot to run a police state/city.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595276 pedro Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:27:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595276 #27 I see you finally put the Obama book down. #31 Give them hell. And while you're at it, give it a nudge to the "all goverment/no private" utopia of yours. Go to cuba, you'll love it there (it's a monarchy, but you'll be delighted with the lack of private "demons"). #33 Tell me then, why public healthcare workers steal from the hospitals they work at? #27 I see you finally put the Obama book down.

#31 Give them hell. And while you’re at it, give it a nudge to the “all goverment/no private” utopia of yours. Go to cuba, you’ll love it there (it’s a monarchy, but you’ll be delighted with the lack of private “demons”).

#33 Tell me then, why public healthcare workers steal from the hospitals they work at?

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595255 MikeN Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:03:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595255 Didn't the governor say he would have raised taxes sooner if he knew it meant Rush Limbaugh would leave the state? Guess he didn't realize so many others would be leaving with him. Didn’t the governor say he would have raised taxes sooner if he knew it meant Rush Limbaugh would leave the state?

Guess he didn’t realize so many others would be leaving with him.

]]> By: chris http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595251 chris Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:49:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595251 #31 is quite correct, the tax base is decreasing because people are moving out. The way the story is framed is BS. Do any of you read the news? There was a little bother with banks recently. A ton of people who pumped/traded faulty mortgage paper got canned. These people tended to make a lot of money. Lots of unemployed people mean that companies can offer lower compensation for similar jobs. I'm waiting for a story that suggests that this year's Ivy League students are dumber because the investment banks aren't recruiting like they did a few years ago. #31 is quite correct, the tax base is decreasing because people are moving out. The way the story is framed is BS.

Do any of you read the news? There was a little bother with banks recently. A ton of people who pumped/traded faulty mortgage paper got canned. These people tended to make a lot of money.

Lots of unemployed people mean that companies can offer lower compensation for similar jobs.

I’m waiting for a story that suggests that this year’s Ivy League students are dumber because the investment banks aren’t recruiting like they did a few years ago.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595229 deowll Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:35:15 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595229 I will note that astute retirees are getting the heck out of high tax locations and going to where the living is easy and cheaper. On the other hand the article was right. This is a big hunk of the tax base moving out because they found the location unattractive. I will note that astute retirees are getting the heck out of high tax locations and going to where the living is easy and cheaper.

On the other hand the article was right. This is a big hunk of the tax base moving out because they found the location unattractive.

]]> By: Misanthropic Scott http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595220 Misanthropic Scott Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:12:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595220 #35 - sargasso, Perhaps lack of shoulder room is what makes it great. Certainly, it helps to make it great environmentally, if only by U.S. standards. We still produce just 1/3 of the CO2 per capita of the rest of the U.S., even though the average for the rest of the U.S. includes us. When people live stacked on top of each other, heating and cooling bills are lower. And, we have the best public transportation and lowest car ownership in the U.S. Really though, the lecture circuits, the museums, the theaters, the food, etc., etc., etc., you're just not going to get all of that without a dense and diverse population. #35 – sargasso,

Perhaps lack of shoulder room is what makes it great. Certainly, it helps to make it great environmentally, if only by U.S. standards. We still produce just 1/3 of the CO2 per capita of the rest of the U.S., even though the average for the rest of the U.S. includes us.

When people live stacked on top of each other, heating and cooling bills are lower. And, we have the best public transportation and lowest car ownership in the U.S.

Really though, the lecture circuits, the museums, the theaters, the food, etc., etc., etc., you’re just not going to get all of that without a dense and diverse population.

]]> By: sargasso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595167 sargasso Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:27:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595167 A great city, that could use a little more shoulder room, anyway. A great city, that could use a little more shoulder room, anyway.

]]> By: badtimes http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/28/people-fleeing-new-york-in-droves-taxed-to-death/comment-page-1/#comment-1595126 badtimes Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:01:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61339#comment-1595126 E.J. McMahon, the director of the Manhattan Institute (author of the cited report), sounds like a Grover Norquist conservative. It's not odd that he would draw the conclusions he did. From a report on a panel on reforming the NY legislature at the Brennan center: "E.J. McMahon had what was perhaps the most provocative suggestion: turning the legislature into a "Citizen's Legislature," where the number of legislators was increased, the legislative calendar shortened to 30 days, and the position of Senator and Assemblyman turned into a part-time job." Now just think for a minute- this is his idea for the state of New York. Would you trust the judgement of someone proposing this? And if so, why? E.J. McMahon, the director of the Manhattan Institute (author of the cited report), sounds like a Grover Norquist conservative. It’s not odd that he would draw the conclusions he did.
From a report on a panel on reforming the NY legislature at the Brennan center: “E.J. McMahon had what was perhaps the most provocative suggestion: turning the legislature into a “Citizen’s Legislature,” where the number of legislators was increased, the legislative calendar shortened to 30 days, and the position of Senator and Assemblyman turned into a part-time job.” Now just think for a minute- this is his idea for the state of New York. Would you trust the judgement of someone proposing this? And if so, why?

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