Human rights lawyer alleges CIA kept detainees alive to keep torturing them

Published on October 30th, 2009

Posted by honeyman in General, Politics, military

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Lawyer: CIA kept detainees alive to keep torturing them

According to human rights lawyer John Sifton, the CIA tortured some of its detainees in the War on Terror so severely that it had to take measures to keep them alive so they could continue being tortured.

Sifton, who is the executive director of One World Research, told an interviewer for Russia Today that there was both a CIA detention program and a military detention program and that “The CIA program was by far the most secretive. … That’s the one that only had a few dozen detainees at any given time — but it’s the one that saw the biggest abuses, the most serious forms of torture.”

Ok. What Sifton is getting at is that both the CIA and the military had separate ‘interrogation’ programmes. The military one was a bit rough and ready and many of the detainees died under duress. The CIA one was more planned and methodical, but with few deaths. The implication is that they used methods to keep the detainees alive during torture. This seems to be mostly speculation, but the interview (below) does contain some interesting information on the whole sick taxpayer funded system of detainee abuse.

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# 1 eaze said, on October 30th, 2009 at 8:05 am

is this really news?

in my eyes this stuff is all covered by the broad defenition of torture, which we know goes on.

# 2 Alfred1 said, on October 30th, 2009 at 8:19 am

And we must always believe lawyers…they never lie.

This is why all the reports of corruption in Congress and Senate must be wrong…most of them are lawyers.

This is why tort reform isn’t needed…lawyers never sue unnecessarily.

# 3 tcc3 said, on October 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am

So its a lie now? I thought torture was necessary and justified?

# 4 Dallas said, on October 30th, 2009 at 8:36 am

A legacy of the Cheney administration.

The former fascist regime has weakened America’s position to influence from a point of high integrity.

The above news will haunt and undermine countless presidents for decades when they encounter the challenges of the future.

# 5 dusanmal said, on October 30th, 2009 at 8:53 am

@#4 “A legacy of the Cheney administration.”

Now go back and check what US Army officially did, say in WWII. Not even in secret. Ex. participants in Okinawa battle clearly stated in many interviews that not only did they torture almost all captured Japanese for information (about hidden tunnels/caves and other dangers for which they couldn’t wait) but outright kill them after they concluded nothing more can be gained. Have the World and Society went into dark ages after that? No. Did US go and torture random people for fun? No. Did the rest of the World complain about this? No. Because US spoke from position of strength and used outrageous measures as a last resource, when really needed. If they chose “high point of integrity” tens of thousands of those soldiers (and many other people) would be dead.

Also just imagine this type of story published during WWII… Wait, it wouldn’t be. Author and sources would be in for treason. Rightfully so.

# 6 The Monster's Lawyer said, on October 30th, 2009 at 8:57 am

It’s no fun torturing a dead person.

# 7 SparkyOne said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:11 am

Do these detainees have a majority of their limbs? Can they pass the Mini Mental State Exam twice in two weeks?

If yes to either, keep working, you are not done yet.

# 8 StoopidFlanders said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:13 am

Information gathered from this so called ‘torture’ is the reason you are alive today to bitch and complain about Bush. If is wasn’t for our brave military, doing what needs to be done, you’d be speaking Iraqian right now. Show some respect.

# 9 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:14 am

Was that bad? Should they not have done that? If you really wanted to torture them, they should have read to them from the bible.

# 10 Special Ed said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am

Apparently the harder you hit them, the more English you get out of them.

# 11 ± said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:35 am

If all the people and their loved ones whose lives were saved from information extracted by torture could all be shepherded together in one spot to become the sole victims of NOT having extracted that information, then I would be against torture to protect myself and those that I am responsible for.

As it is, the people who are presumably OK with dying because critical information wasn’t gleaned in time to stop a terrorist catastrophe, want me and my loved ones to die along with them. I’m not OK with that.

I’m proud of my government for having used every means available to protect me. Even in by doing so they saved a bunch of assholes lives too.

# 12 pedro said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:45 am

Incredible. If only they were that fast about the killings, tortures & political prisoners right next to guantanamo that have been going for over 50 years. How selective these human rights attorneys are.

#4 Good thing Obama closed guantanamo, huh? No go back and abuse yourself some more with Obama’s book.

#9 Because you do respect the quran.

# 13 Phydeau said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am

You torture apologists can rant until you’re blue in the face that torturing people saved lives, but you have not one shred of evidence. What’s that? The torturers can’t tell us exactly what it was because it’s too secret. Oh really. How convenient.

I call BS. And now our reputation is in the shitter partly because of torture. Way to go guys.

# 14 Phydeau said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:57 am

#12 So wingnuts are OK with the U.S. being lumped in with petty dictatorships. I think we as a nation are better than that. But wingnuts always have been on the bloodthirsty side, so no surprise.

# 15 Dallas said, on October 30th, 2009 at 11:21 am

#12 Abuelo… the “it’s been done before so what’s the problem” excuse is getting long in the tooth. You need new material.

Are you ding dongs giving up your usual moral high ground fantasy for good or just putting it on hold?

You’re starting to look like cafeteria Catholics!

# 16 pedro said, on October 30th, 2009 at 11:28 am

#13 If by torture apologist you’re calling the Demagogues who are calling for the end of the embargo to the cuban monarchy, then you’re correct. Hypocrite.

#14 I missed the part that if it was bad in the US, it was good for cuba. You lost me there.

#15 Keep on telling us that it’s good if your team does it (or its friends) but bad if we think the other team does it. And again, good thing Obama shut that guantanamo thing down.

# 17 Phydeau said, on October 30th, 2009 at 11:33 am

#16 Still waiting, pedrito. Still waiting for torture apologists to give us any evidence that torturing people has helped protect us from terrorists.

Still waiting…

# 18 Phydeau said, on October 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am

Ya know, wingnuts, we made it through the Cold War, the time of greatest peril to the United States, without resorting to torture. Your hero Ronnie signed a treaty banning torture.

And now we have a band of scruffy fanatics hiding in caves in Pakistan who pulled off one big terrorist act, and you wingnuts are ready to throw away your civil liberties and rights and all that makes America great, for the illusion of a little security.

What a bunch of cowardly pussies you wingnuts are.

# 19 sargasso said, on October 30th, 2009 at 11:50 am

I have to say, good old American hospitality has really taken a downturn.

# 20 pedro said, on October 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

#17 Again, if you want torture apologist, look no further than your own Demagogue party. cuba has been torturing and killing people way before dumbya (and now your dearly beloved Obama) and all I hear is “we should lift the embargo”.

That and a stoopid fatso saying healthcare is better there than in the US.

# 21 chris said, on October 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

Anyone interested in gathering intelligence from war prisoners should read the book “Slow Burn” by Orrin DeForest. He was a CIA supervisor in one of the most violent districts in Vietnam during the war. His methods were effective and didn’t include torture.

ARVN soldiers just beat the piss out prisoners and got nothing. By keeping prisoners isolated from one another and cross checking their information DeForest was able to get proper intel.

His interrogation facilities were more like secured hotels than prisons. Although he was able to pacify the district using intelligence in this way the war was essentially over at that point, so the experiment was moot.

# 22 Phydeau said, on October 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

#20 What’s the matter pedrito, afraid to say what you really think? Afraid to say you like torture?

#21 Thank you Chris, that point needs to be made over and over. Torturing to get intel DOESN’T WORK.

# 23 pedro said, on October 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

#22 But of course I do. Why else do you think I’m registering as a demagogue? I wanna be amongst the first to bring down that unfair blockade against the peaceful castro monarchy, right next to fatso Moore.

# 24 Dallas said, on October 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Someone please decode Pedro’s rationalization of torture by America by referencing Castro. I think he is implying Castro tortures so it’s ok?

I can’t find a gibberish to English translation on google.

# 25 Dr Dodd said, on October 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

Why torture when you can just splatter a terrorist’s brain all over the battlefield.

No muss, no fuss, no gitmo

OK, you loose the whining from the left, but sacrifices must be made.

# 26 Special Ed said, on October 30th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

I have been tortured. I waited in line at a Division of Motor Vehicles. I’ve had my car slammed in the rear by a car load of Julios with no insurance. I listened to rap music in a rental car for an extended period before I realized it. I have answered the door to Jehovah’s Witness. In every case, I would have preferred to be water boarded or worse yet, have a conversation with Alfred.

# 27 Hmeyers said, on October 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

I think the CIA did the responsible thing by keeping them alive.

They are saving lives and that’s what matters!

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