Comments on: It’s Official: Stimulus Package has Saved or Created 650,000 Jobs! Yayyyyy! http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hmeyers http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1596133 Hmeyers Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1596133 @57 Yeah that's true but I said "often", hehe, which is true. I'm just pointing out that partisans tend to not give the other side any credit for things they do happen to do well. We've run an imaginary economy since around 1994 (dot-com boom -- which was fake) and then the house refinancing/mortgage debt boom (equally fake) so the current unemployment rate is merely a result of the fake "mortgage your house and spend" employment boom subsiding. Meanwhile, secretly outsourcing plus NAFTA plus excessive regulation has gutted the true jobs. @57

Yeah that’s true but I said “often”, hehe, which is true.

I’m just pointing out that partisans tend to not give the other side any credit for things they do happen to do well.

We’ve run an imaginary economy since around 1994 (dot-com boom — which was fake) and then the house refinancing/mortgage debt boom (equally fake) so the current unemployment rate is merely a result of the fake “mortgage your house and spend” employment boom subsiding.

Meanwhile, secretly outsourcing plus NAFTA plus excessive regulation has gutted the true jobs.

]]> By: badtimes http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1596046 badtimes Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:12:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1596046 #32- just for the record- unemployment under Bush was closer to 5-6% most of the time (<a href="http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000" rel="nofollow"><u>according to the BLS</u></a>). #32- just for the record- unemployment under Bush was closer to 5-6% most of the time (according to the BLS).

]]> By: jescott418 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1596026 jescott418 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:01:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1596026 For most unemployed we are living in the constant depression. I don't think the Obama administration realizes how coming out with numbers like this makes the unemployed mad. Who do they think they are fooling? This administration is just about mind games like other one. Nothing has changed and we might as well give up on the notion of CHANGE. It will never happen in Washington. For most unemployed we are living in the constant depression. I don’t think the Obama administration realizes how coming out with numbers like this makes the unemployed mad. Who do they think they are fooling?
This administration is just about mind games like other one. Nothing has changed and we might as well give up on the notion of CHANGE.
It will never happen in Washington.

]]> By: Hmeyers http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595992 Hmeyers Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:07:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595992 @54 "I know expect our bond rating to fall in less than 10 years" You, sir, are a huge optimist. I bet it is crap in 2 years or less. Unemployment is going to hit around 13% by this time next year. @54

“I know expect our bond rating to fall in less than 10 years”

You, sir, are a huge optimist.

I bet it is crap in 2 years or less. Unemployment is going to hit around 13% by this time next year.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595978 deowll Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:43:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595978 So the government can give out a 50,000 dollar job for 250,000 or so. This is a surprise? These people are incompetent! I know expect our bond rating to fall in less than 10 years. What that means for a nation running on borrowed money is to grim to think about. So the government can give out a 50,000 dollar job for 250,000 or so. This is a surprise? These people are incompetent! I know expect our bond rating to fall in less than 10 years. What that means for a nation running on borrowed money is to grim to think about.

]]> By: BigBoyBC http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595971 BigBoyBC Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:19:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595971 Alfred1, Since when is a WHITE guy saying, "get it right WHITE boys" racist? You're projecting your own racism on me. Turn off the computer, take your meds, and have a lay down and call your mental health specialist and make an appointment, you need some serious counceling... Alfred1, Since when is a WHITE guy saying, “get it right WHITE boys” racist?

You’re projecting your own racism on me. Turn off the computer, take your meds, and have a lay down and call your mental health specialist and make an appointment, you need some serious counceling…

]]> By: gal416 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595963 gal416 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:37:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595963 We were on the brink of a Depression. Check the stock market! We were on the brink of a Depression. Check the stock market!

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595947 ECA Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595947 iT USED TO BE, out in the wild, that the STRONG survived. But the Strong got lonely, and decided to help a few idiots, and keep them around for Fun and sex. After awhile the strong person was out numbered by idiots. Some of the idiots were smart, and decided to RULE the group, so they made friends with the Strong. The Strong didnt mind, as he was smart also, and didnt want the job, to much paper work, and he didnt want the blame. In history we can look back and SEE What the idiot STRONG has done..We can see what happened when the SMART IDIOT, wasnt SMART enough. BUT, when the Smart idiot gets a bunch or IDIOT STRONGS to back him. Its better to leave the pack if you are the SMART idiot or the Smart Strong person. The problem we have is WHERE can we go? Can we take BACK and make this a BETTER PLACE? with out killing each other. Will the IDIOTS let us have this all back and not FIGHT? iT USED TO BE, out in the wild, that the STRONG survived.
But the Strong got lonely, and decided to help a few idiots, and keep them around for Fun and sex.
After awhile the strong person was out numbered by idiots.
Some of the idiots were smart, and decided to RULE the group, so they made friends with the Strong.
The Strong didnt mind, as he was smart also, and didnt want the job, to much paper work, and he didnt want the blame.
In history we can look back and SEE What the idiot STRONG has done..We can see what happened when the SMART IDIOT, wasnt SMART enough.
BUT, when the Smart idiot gets a bunch or IDIOT STRONGS to back him. Its better to leave the pack if you are the SMART idiot or the Smart Strong person.
The problem we have is WHERE can we go?
Can we take BACK and make this a BETTER PLACE? with out killing each other.
Will the IDIOTS let us have this all back and not FIGHT?

]]> By: Alfred1 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595941 Alfred1 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:12:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595941 #42 Check out the arguments for <a href="http://fairtax.org/site/News2?news_iv_ctrl=1441&page=NewsArticle&id=8703" rel="nofollow">"the fair tax"</a> For me its not theory...as costs are pegged to wages...I reduce wages...by lowering what I pay...or not hireing. Its elementary, whenever you tax something, you get less of it... If all taxes, including taxes on wages, were shifted to comsumption...factories would start coming back... The other thing, less EPA nonsense...and restrictions on bogus lawsuits.. I have a bogus lawsuit on me now...it might put me out of business...or the lawyer fees might do that...I'm stubborn enough to fight it out... But if my business were the sort that could pack up and move over the border...I would...in a heartbeat...if only to prevent the fraud. #42 Check out the arguments for “the fair tax”

For me its not theory…as costs are pegged to wages…I reduce wages…by lowering what I pay…or not hireing.

Its elementary, whenever you tax something, you get less of it…

If all taxes, including taxes on wages, were shifted to comsumption…factories would start coming back…

The other thing, less EPA nonsense…and restrictions on bogus lawsuits..

I have a bogus lawsuit on me now…it might put me out of business…or the lawyer fees might do that…I’m stubborn enough to fight it out…

But if my business were the sort that could pack up and move over the border…I would…in a heartbeat…if only to prevent the fraud.

]]> By: Alfred1 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595939 Alfred1 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:06:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595939 #48 <i>Get it right white boys!</i> Racist dickhead... #48 Get it right white boys!

Racist dickhead…

]]> By: BigBoyBC http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595934 BigBoyBC Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:48:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595934 Alfred1, you pig-ignorant, judgmental little troll, where do you get off accusing me of racism! What the heck was the rest of your comment, it was totally irrelevant to what I posted. Next time, think before you type... Oh, by the way, use both hands... Alfred1, you pig-ignorant, judgmental little troll, where do you get off accusing me of racism!

What the heck was the rest of your comment, it was totally irrelevant to what I posted. Next time, think before you type…

Oh, by the way, use both hands…

]]> By: OvenMaster http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595931 OvenMaster Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:42:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595931 Here's an example of some of these newly created jobs, courtesy of my Dad. He was talking with a guy from Maine. It turns out that Maine's unemployment insurance department found work for five men at the local post office. Great... working for Uncle Sam! Too bad the postal jobs lasted only eight hours! At the end of the day, they were let go and allowed to continue to collect state unemployment benefits. The local newspaper trumpeted "Five new positions at local Post Office!" but failed to report that the jobs were already lost by the time the story went to press. Here’s an example of some of these newly created jobs, courtesy of my Dad.

He was talking with a guy from Maine. It turns out that Maine’s unemployment insurance department found work for five men at the local post office. Great… working for Uncle Sam! Too bad the postal jobs lasted only eight hours! At the end of the day, they were let go and allowed to continue to collect state unemployment benefits.

The local newspaper trumpeted “Five new positions at local Post Office!” but failed to report that the jobs were already lost by the time the story went to press.

]]> By: Alfred1 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595928 Alfred1 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:32:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595928 #45 They never should have spent any of it...when the Treasury borrows...its the rich that lends...the very money they might have used to build factories...invest...goes to the Government... He should have followed Reagan's prescription of reducing regulation and taxes on production...then the real economy would have boomed. Reagan got a worse economy from J. Carter...double digit unemployment...stagflation...many pundits were saying it was the end of America...and Reagan turned it around... Obama did precisely what he shouldn't have done...bankrupted us. #45 They never should have spent any of it…when the Treasury borrows…its the rich that lends…the very money they might have used to build factories…invest…goes to the Government…

He should have followed Reagan’s prescription of reducing regulation and taxes on production…then the real economy would have boomed.

Reagan got a worse economy from J. Carter…double digit unemployment…stagflation…many pundits were saying it was the end of America…and Reagan turned it around…

Obama did precisely what he shouldn’t have done…bankrupted us.

]]> By: MikeN http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595913 MikeN Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:50:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595913 They should have spent all the money fast. Instead they have the high deficits, and no boost in employment. So now they can't get health care passed because the high unemployment has made them unpopular,so some Democrats won't vote with them,while other Dems are worried about adding to the deficit. They should have spent all the money fast. Instead they have the high deficits, and no boost in employment. So now they can’t get health care passed because the high unemployment has made them unpopular,so some Democrats won’t vote with them,while other Dems are worried about adding to the deficit.

]]> By: Alfred1 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/30/its-official-stimulus-package-has-saved-or-created-650000-jobs-yayyyyy/comment-page-3/#comment-1595910 Alfred1 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:48:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=61554#comment-1595910 #30 That bit about improbus being Latin for "failure" got to you...or was it you are the perfect failure? Don't worry...no one is perfect...you fail at being the perfect failure. #30 That bit about improbus being Latin for “failure” got to you…or was it you are the perfect failure?

Don’t worry…no one is perfect…you fail at being the perfect failure.

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