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# 1 Milo said, on November 1st, 2009 at 3:58 pm

It’s a shame that things like this aren’t made anymore. It might be corny but it’s true.

And the Obama crack clearly shows that many are incapable of appreciating these values anymore. Rather childish actually, that crack.

# 2 Mark T. said, on November 1st, 2009 at 4:12 pm

Wow. Good find, John!

“Working together to produce an ever greater abundance of material and spiritual values for all. That is the secret of American prosperity.”

Um, it seems that is what the Dems want less of. Less materialism and less spiritual values. Less consumerism, less abundance, less prosperity, less wealth. Less of everything. Less of everything to the betterment of everyone. How does that make sense?

I find it very prophetic that the cartoon showed the big hand of government tossing the owner of “Joe Bob Manufacturing” factory out onto the street and renaming as “State Factory #29″.

In this scenario, I guess Obama is the snake oil salesman.

# 3 honeyman said, on November 1st, 2009 at 4:24 pm

They seem to have left out the bit where Joe Doakes runs for congress and ships all the factory jobs off to China.

# 4 Bob said, on November 1st, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Well once you get past all the cornyness of the skit, theirs allot of truth their.

Sad fact though, if anyone tried to make a skit like that today, and air it on a major network, those in power would do everything to stop it.

When you get right down to it, most voters have already signed the contract.

# 5 AdmFubar said, on November 1st, 2009 at 4:42 pm

that was the best argument against intellectual property ever made…

# 6 ArtSpot said, on November 1st, 2009 at 5:11 pm

didn’t talk about how Joe Doakes and his tire & oil compadres used government to dismantle public transportation & create highways using public money to further their industry.

# 7 jstephe said, on November 1st, 2009 at 5:24 pm

Funny for the first half I was sure the ISM was capitalism.

North America has become more like a communist block than a capitalist one over the years we all work harder for the betterment of the very few that are in charge and I am not talking about governments the vast majority of a companies earnings goes into the pockets of the smallest group at the top (not even the shareholders that are bankrolling these endeavours get much, dividend are few and far between) the corporate executive class is the new ruling class.

# 8 noname said, on November 1st, 2009 at 5:25 pm

I agree republicanism, bush-ism and the relentless out-sourcing of manufacturing have destroyed much of our freedoms, jobs and prosperity.

All the Bush types po-pooed Ross Perot’s 1992 U.S. presidential campaign colorful phrase for the negative effects of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which he opposed.

At the time Washington Post reported most economists are unhappy with the rare scapegoating of Nafta by some politicians.

Sad, but; I guess we deserve what we voted for.

# 9 lemonademaker said, on November 1st, 2009 at 5:42 pm

“everything is fine, everything is fine, everything is fine” WOW….

art imitates life?

# 10 LibertyLover said, on November 1st, 2009 at 5:47 pm

#2, I find it very prophetic that the cartoon showed the big hand of government tossing the owner of “Joe Bob Manufacturing” factory out onto the street and renaming as “State Factory #29″.

Me, too. How many CEOs and upper management types have “resigned” or been replaced since the takeover?

# 11 eaglescout1998 said, on November 1st, 2009 at 6:01 pm

I don’t know if Perot would have made a good president. At the end of the day, it’s the executive branch vs. the legislative branch and they don’t always see eye to eye.

I would rather have had Perot in a position where he could have done more good. Chairman of the Federal Reserve, perhaps.

# 12 damontsar said, on November 1st, 2009 at 6:26 pm

I think the “IS the guy in the Zoot suit Obama?”
Is crap…………………
Bush was selling and drinking it…

# 13 gal416 said, on November 1st, 2009 at 6:30 pm

When this cartoon was made gas wasn’t $3.00 a gallon, a two day stay in the hospital didn’t bankrupt you, and Bush and his minions (Enron, big pharma etc. etc. etc.) hadn’t raped and pillaged this country yet. Oh, and did I mention phone taps’s, unnecessay war in Iraq, WMDs, and so on and so on.

# 14 John C Dvorak said, on November 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pm

Hey I was just referring to his charming and broad smile!

# 15 Tooki said, on November 1st, 2009 at 7:21 pm

Entertaining, but hardly accurate. Nothing is quite so black and white–economics and politics least of all.

# 16 Greg Semos said, on November 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pm

Socialism, conservatism, liberalism, creationism, darwinism, Obamaism, Glenn Beckism, it really doesn’t matter. The point I think is that when we look for the simple answer to make everything better it usually is at the cost of freedom. Raving about the socialization of health care is no better than raving about the capitalistic pursuit of profit. Neither are an absolute truth.

# 17 Milo said, on November 1st, 2009 at 7:56 pm

I nominate tooki for the completely missing the point category!

# 18 bobbo, any study of history at all will show said, on November 1st, 2009 at 8:17 pm

that “everyone working together” almost never happens. The only exception that comes to mind is the mobilization for WW2. Lasted 4-5 years and took a “real” existential threat.

I think the clip is more harmful than helpful. “Give up your individual wants for mass conformity the goal of which will be decided by others.” is more like it, but so garbled and self-contradictory, its hard to say, or contra==anything can be said and thought about it.

# 19 Alfred1 said, on November 1st, 2009 at 8:31 pm

But they didn’t run him off…he’s now President.

# 20 Mac Guy said, on November 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pm

No one else noticed that in the classroom at 1:03, the flag was hung incorrectly? >:(

# 21 pcsmith said, on November 1st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

When was the last time the country had to deal with a labor strike? Other than teachers, who still goes out on strike?

Not the coal miners, not the steel workers, not the textile workers, not the railroad workers, not the auto workers.

The entertainment writers went on strike recently, but who else has the balls to even talk about a strike?

BTW loved the John Q. Public reference.

# 22 Pat Riot said, on November 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pm

(Is JCD playing John Q. Public?)
Joe creates and markets his idea without being terrorized by patent trolls …
Capital raised from the savings of Americans … not Chinese or venture capitalists …
Hiring unemployed Americans and training them, instead of manufacturing offshore …
Focus on education rather than on staffing the “service” industries with bottom floor wages …
Supporting unions rather than busting them …
Pointing out how when someone pits one of us against another through class warfare, race hatred, religious intolerance, is trying to destroy us (America) …
Working *together* to produce greater material and spiritual benefit = the secret to American prosperity …
Sounds like the progressive agenda to me.
Spin away, trolls!!

# 23 Somebody said, on November 1st, 2009 at 10:09 pm

“Hey I was just referring to his charming and broad smile!”

Well, he was clean and articulate.

# 24 pedro said, on November 1st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

#6 I guess you don’t use them. Otherwise, you’re just a sore ninnie.

#8 Who the eff pushed NAFTA, you idiot! That was under Bill “I-did-not-have-sex” Clinton. When will you demagogues morans get it that is not only both demagogues & repugblicans to blame for the current US situation, but people like you.

#16 The voice of reason. Get ready to be poopooed by the lefty loons in here.

# 25 pedro said, on November 1st, 2009 at 10:16 pm

#22 Then better check your hearing.

# 26 Howard Beale said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 am

“preaches disunity pit one of us against the other through class warfare race hatred or religious intolerance”

that sounds more like Fox/Rush/Palin than Obama to me

face it the country would be in pretty much the same place with John McCain as the decider but the rest of the world would still hate us and MSNBC’s ratings would rise with FOX’s falling.

# 27 Cursor_ said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 am

Of course this was propaganda even then. A slam against the made-up ISM of that era, communism.

There never has been and there never will be a communist ruled nation.

To apply it to our time is even more foolish than it was in 48.

I don’t think people seem to realise that in the USA you wake up in the morning at the correct time due to a Government agency that sets what the time REALLY is. You take a shower (hopefully) in water treated by a Government agency. You then eat a breakfast with food approved by a Government agency. You then get into your vehicles or public transport made of machines approved by a Government agency. You then ride down by roads built under specifications of a Government agency. You work in some job that must abide by standards of hourage, wage & safety by Government agencies. Even if you are the boss of that job. You then go home on that same Government agency approved road in that Government agency approved vehicle to a dinner of Government agency approved food and watch some Government agency approved transmission of information or entertainment. And most likely go to sleep on a BED that went through approval for standards of fire safety as mandated by a Government agency.

Now how many here still want government out of your roads, water, food, building codes, phones, TVs, internet and safety? Or is that WHAT you pay for in your taxes?

Well if you want NO government interference, then you had better learn how to make all your clothes and items and grow all your own food and secure your own home and water. Cos the cops and fire departments are Government agencies too.

The left is not the solution.
The right is not the solution.
Moderation is all things is the solution.

Wake up people. Dreaming is for the sleepy.

Cursor_

# 28 Misanthropic Scott said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 4:00 am

I thought U.S. propaganda was more subtle than this. Whatever you think of our system, you must admit that the term for this sort of salesmanship of the system is the very definition of propaganda.

prop⋅a⋅gan⋅da
/ˌprɒpəˈgændə/ [prop-uh-gan-duh]
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
4. Roman Catholic Church.
a. a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
b. a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.
5. Archaic. an organization or movement for the spreading of propaganda.

I’m surprised only Cursor_ commented on that issue.

# 29 Misanthropic Scott said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 4:01 am

I thought U.S. propaganda was more subtle than this. Whatever you think of our system, you must admit that the term for this sort of salesmanship of the system is the very definition of propaganda.

http://tinyurl.com/ydern6g

prop⋅a⋅gan⋅da
/ˌprɒpəˈgændə/ [prop-uh-gan-duh]
–noun
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
4. Roman Catholic Church.
a. a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
b. a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.
5. Archaic. an organization or movement for the spreading of propaganda.

I’m surprised only Cursor_ commented on that issue.

# 30 Alfred1 said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 4:07 am

#22…Capital raised from the savings of Americans … not Chinese or venture capitalists …
Hiring unemployed Americans and training them, instead of manufacturing offshore …

In retrospect, I wish I had known more about the hazards and difficulties of such a business…. I wish that during the years I was in public office I had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better Senator and a more understanding presidential contender… To create job opportunities, we need entrepreneurs who will risk their capital against an expected payoff. Too often, however, public policy does not consider whether we are choking off those opportunities.-George McGovern

The more regulation, tax and vitriol there is against production…the more of it will move overseas.

When the cartoon was made, we didn’t attack producers as profiteers…as evil rich…and so didn’t drive them overseas…

Hence the cartoon reflects the time it was made, not our own.

Congress has dispatched the lawsuit greedy for $$$ lawyers against business in this country, and regulated them into inefficiency or out of business…and those hardy enough, or lucky enough to remain, will have their profits stolen…

Businesses, like people, know when they aren’t wanted…and leave.

You uber liberals must stop the schizophrenia…stop crying about unemployment…either you support cap & trade, bogus lawsuits and high taxes on production…and so reap the unemployment you create…or you don’t, and will elect conservatives who will stop the madness against business.

# 31 smartalix said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 am

That little man in the vid telling off three cops on the steps of his home is a pretty dead freedom as well. There are many here who would argue that cops can do pretty much F*cking anything they like to whoever they want for whatever reason they decide on.

# 32 jpd said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 7:47 am

Wow!!! That cartoon was a real load!!!

# 33 Pixelmutt said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 am

John C. will soon be out of the closet, the racist b*atard.

# 34 pedro said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 am

#27 said: “There never has been and there never will be a communist ruled nation:

Pardon my French, but could you be any more stupid?

#29 Propaganda is posting the same thing twice.

#31 That is true. In some countries, people are actually more afraid of cops than of thugs.

# 35 Alf said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am

1948 was a very different time for the world. The US had the only manufacturing capabilities in the world. World War II gave us that. No longer did Germany, Japan, France, the UK and China have manufacturing capabilities.

Compare that to now…we have almost none. Can we say the same thing now that we are the brink of 3rd world status?

One thing was true then and isn’t now. We weren’t fighting each other. We were all on the same team.

# 36 mr. show said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 am

#33 OK Dvorak may be a lot of things but explain WHY you think he’s a “racist”. Where’s your proof or are you playing the race card like a troll?

Too often the intellectually lazy love to use that label because they’re incapable of arguing a point reasonably.

So he equates Obama to a slick peddler of tonic to cure all of your ills. OH NOES. Obama’s a slick politican…yah that’s racist. What a dumbass you are.

Bring proof or STFU.

# 37 Cursor_ said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm

#34 Pedro.

Please instruct the class, good Sir, to which nation(s) became a classless, stateless society based on a small centralised government that gave up its power to common ownership?

We will all be waiting for the answer.

Cursor_

# 38 pedro said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm

#37 You’re clutching at straws. There were and are today plenty a country were communism is being applied.

If you want to bring the propaganda that was used onto the poor sods that believed in the thing to be lured into it and tell us that was really communism, I’ll answer you back that practical communism was & is applied successfully by those that crave power forever.

# 39 MoreGruelPlease said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Obama-Pelosi-Reid’s to-do list

# 40 Buzz said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm

“IS the guy in the Zoot suit Obama?”

Sorry. The moral ending summed it up, “When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against the other…”

What part of Republican-ISM didn’t you get?

# 41 deowll said, on November 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 pm

The self styled elite of this country loves isms. There are lot of ism lovers in Congress and the White House. A lot of John Q. Public loves isms as well. They think they are going to get something for free when all they’re going to get free is owned.

# 42 Cursor_ said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 5:31 am

#38 Professor Pedro

You were unable to name one nation that was communist. No, not a single one.

Please timewarp back to 1955, grab a martini, play a game of golf and drive your buick and leave the rest of us modern people be.

You never learned got past the propaganda of the 50’s.

There were NO communist countries EVER. They never made it through to communism. They made a small centralised government and stopped there to become a totalitarian oligarchy. They never made it to communism. No one ever will.

Because like democracy, communism is a Utopian ideal and will never be realised by lazy, greedy, selfish humans.

Democracy becomes a republic as no one wants to vote on literally everything.
Communism becomes totalitarian states as no one wants to give up power.

They do not function in the real world.

Wake up.

Cursor_

# 43 pedro said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:49 am

#42 Again, theory vs practice. What you’re referring to is the idealized, “scholar” definition of comunism.

The practical approach to comunism is what we have seen applied.

All social theories are utopian and differ greatly from that utopia when they get implemented.

# 44 mr. show said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:38 am

“IS the guy in the Zoot suit Obama?”

Maybe: