Palestine has been there as it means Land of The Philistines. So there has ALWAYS been Palestinians.
Since the fall of the Ottomans, it was mostly Arab, Jew, Christian and other various peoples.

The idea that Palestine is ONLY what the British made of it is hogwash. It goes way back. And the Zionists only had been mucking about in the region until AFTER 1890. That fits your 19th century by only a decade. And you don’t make much progress in a decade.

What you ascribe to is revisionist history by the Zionists.

#44 Jopa,

You do realise that the promised land of the Jews was set to be from the east side of the Nile to the West side of the Euphrates?

So why aren’t Israelis trying to take back Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, parts of Egypt and Iraq?

How come they are not crying out for all these lands as it is their birth right? It was promised to Abraham’s children.

Of course the Arabs are ALSO Abraham’s children. And the Jews and Arabs are all semitic. But hey it muddies the water when you call someone whom is anti-arab an anti-Semite. Many Israelis are anti-Semitic.

And Arabs were in the promised land from the get go. As the promised land stretched to the Euphrates.

So Arabs have been there all along. Arab Jews and Arab Christians and then later Arab Muslims.

So what changed? Why is their now a conflict between people that have lived with each other since at least 600 BCE?

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Since I believe all religions are essentially the same and all humans essentially the same, hence all differences between people to be an illusion …

It doesn’t matter which side has the irrational argument, it is the presence of THE irrational argument that is the problem.

Irrationality leads to argument, conflict and violence.

Thus, irrationality is the enemy of peace.

No more crocodile tears, no one has oppressed you for half a century. Either stop being the world’s most dangerous rogue state or kiss your asses goodbye. Obama is not going to protect you…Iran WILL end this problem, and the world will cheer.

look at #56 – zorkor (a true “genius”).
You said you hate propaganda? Here you go…

Of course, the Israelis always have the “Oh we’re so hurt” card to play in the media all the time. For the last 60 years they have been killing women and children. Its always the threat to the world peace, and its been sucking the US for the last 60 years. You dont need to have a PhD to understand that Israelis have always been the main troublemakers all this time.

The only country in the world, which doesn’t has fixed borders….

Just for clarification, I’m not “against” Israel per se but against propaganda.

I guess you have to live in the world that has been handed off to you.

In my experience, propaganda causes long term cultural damage to a society because it creates emotional conflict both inside and outside.

But maybe there is no alternative in Israel’s situation, the creators of said situation have long since been deceased ….

“Bother actually reading the UN Charter?”

Uh, the United Nations never owned any land.

So exactly how was the United Nations entitled to give what they did not own?

Very courteous of those 40 or so European countries that made up the United Nations back in 1948 to give away land in the Middle East that people were living on.

What could possibly go wrong??

And as we can all see, that idea worked just great!

Thank you, you are most welcome.

I understand what you are saying and I agree that people always “eat” what they “cook”

Fate does like to serve humanity with the dish of poetic justice, doesn’t it?

By the way, what’s happening here is not that different nor unique in terms of human history. It happened numerous times and is still happening in other parts of the world. It is just a contemporary conflict that is extensively covered by the world media. This coverage gives it more “uniqueness” then it truly deserves.

I don’t actually subscribe the concept that land ever belongs to anyone.

I was more attacking the idea of the extremely twisted justifications of entitlement.

I mean, you can call forcing people off their land whatever you like and claim all kinds of “rights” to do it, but it is still stealing.

But I tip my hat to Israel in a “survival of the fittest” kind of way while acknowledging that perhaps Islam as a religion that condones lesser rights for “infidels” probably deserves to have you guys living in their neighborhood, haha.

It is really poetic justice for both sides.

By all means, let this day come quickly as it has only one meaning – no more war (and clean air). It also means that the arabs will lose. No oil = no money to buy weapons and wage wars. Israel never had any oil and we are not economically dependent on it.

Clean energy FTW!