Donating A Kidney Creates ‘Pre-existing Condition’ Meaning No More Insurance Coverage For You!

Published on November 3rd, 2009

Kidney donors may face huge medical bills because having one kidney may constitute a pre-existing condition under which coverage is denied, officials confirm.

A Texas hospital official said organ donors are told, but only orally, that having one kidney may be a pre-existing condition affecting insurance.

Philip Knisely, 53, of Austin, Texas, who donated a kidney to a co-worker a year ago, has received more than $18,000 in related medical bills, and said he was not informed that if he ever lost his employment-related insurance, insurers might consider his having a single kidney an uninsurable pre-existing condition, the American-Stateman reported Sunday.

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# 1 atmusky said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 am

I am sure all the anti gov people think this is just fine. After all corporations should be able to F*** over people as much as they want to as long as it is in the name of profits.

# 2 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 5:23 am

Obviously, rather a trillion $$$ Government Care system to fix this is preferred to taking a few million of unspent stimulus money and paying the extra required to insure these people.

Its much better we bankrupt the country, destroy the dollar, and become third world Cuba, with its great health care system…than spend a few million to insure these folks.

Brilliant Uncle Dave…you are a walking giant genius among men…must be hard lugging around such a big brain.

# 3 stopher2475 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 am

It’s kind of like they’re covering the cost of the guy getting the kidney by screwing over the guy who gave it.

# 4 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 am

#3 Yes, evil bastards…lets show them…lets spend trillions to put them out of buisness…and empower our Government…

From now on, rather than money…we’ll just need an ok from Government for a medical procedure.

The local party boss will be glad to help.

# 5 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 6:50 am

Or, Alfred, we could legislate the concept of pre-existing conditions out of existence. Without spending the money you think I’m in favor of.

# 6 bobbo, international pastry chef and healthcare expert said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 6:56 am

#4–Alfie==HEY ALFFIIEEEE!!!! You are setting up a valid choice between a health care financing system that the USA can afford versus one that costs trillions of dollars more.

Only mistake you make is confusing which is which. The trillions of dollars spent that will bankrupt this country is THE ONE WE HAVE NOW!!!!

Why don’t you pull your head out of your ass, clean your glasses, and smell the coffee and look at the facts?

I know, two things at once. I shoudda picked one or the other.

# 7 dusanmal said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:08 am

@#5 There lies catch-22. You do that and no one gets insured until sick, collapsing the system for certain. Now, you could also legislate mandatory purchase of health insurance by all, opening whole another can of worms.
Present system does have its checks and balances, you can’t remove them without dismantling everything. Improvement needed is intelligent safety net. It could be trivial. Ex. simply deduce from doctor’s taxes any amount of treatment they give to uninsured. No new agencies and bureaucracies – just ‘ye olde IRS doing its usual job and one new line in their code. No middleman costs. Doctors decision on who and how deserves the “free” treatment. Also applicable to ER/Hospitals.

# 8 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:11 am

#5 That’s the problem…regulation…

Because unfunded mandates are forced upon the industry…the inssurance companies cannot produce affordable products…

Also, competition is regulated out of the market…no doubt for kickbacks…

Simply allowing everyone write health insurance…opening it up to competition world wide…would likely end all the problems commonly cited…cost and pre existing blah blah…

But rather than trust the free market…ist POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT!

What fun that will be…when ACORN workers are present at every clinic…just waiting to approve your medical procedure…to see if you qualify…if you are a party member in good standing.

# 9 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 am

#4 I could support the GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE OPTION…if I could opt out…and not pay one penny to its maintence…

Moreover, they would not be allowed to tax, or regulate, any of my life choices…

Only those of folks to want the Government Health plan…Only YOU should be taxed…ONLY the foods YOU like to eat, that they consider costly to the system, should be taxed when YOU buy them.

If I buy them, all taxes removed…

I prefer freedom, to servitude…I prefer Government OUT of my life, not in it.

So if you can just get the Democrats to make this a Democrat plan…applicable only to democrats…I would support it.

# 10 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 am

#7, simply deduce from doctor’s taxes any amount of treatment they give to uninsured. No new agencies and bureaucracies – just ‘ye olde IRS doing its usual job and one new line in their code. No middleman costs. Doctors decision on who and how deserves the “free” treatment. Also applicable to ER/Hospitals.

That . . . is actually a very interesting idea. I’ll to think on that one some more.

# 11 bobbo, most things are plain to see said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 am

Dismal and Alfie. What a couple of dopes. Pretending anyone wants the “freedom” to suffer from illness or that personal freedom extends to allowing your fellow citizens to suffer from illness ALL FOR THE PURPOSE of allowing a medical industrial complex to rip profit out of a social need.

You’d almost think the rest of the world hasn’t been living the solution for decades that these masterminds still can’t even imagine.

Dopes. Only dope is illegal, but they both should be.

# 12 bobbo, most things are plain to see said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:22 am

#10–Loser==haven’t seen your drooling here for a while, course I’ve been busy too. Yes, quite a “system” you want to design. For profit ripping off the masses with the short falls to be made up by charitable minding doctors.

Dope just doesn’t cover how stupid you three are.

# 13 Named said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:22 am

10 LibertyLover,

Wouldn’t the smart doctor just line item everyone as uninsured?

7 dusanmal,

A private insurance with no pre-existing conditions exists in Switzerland. All insurance is private, all people must have insurance and no insurance company can deny a client or claim. They have various tiers of service, starting with health care and then moving up to private rooms and shit like that. They don’t make money on health care: they make money on selling insurance to a person; health, life, home, auto. Get a package, they make more, you save more.

It IS possible. THere is just no real will in the US for it to happen. Basically, because morans like AlfredENewman believe that the Government = Satan. And that’s why he only drives on roads he makes with his own God given hands!

# 14 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:23 am

I’d wager Republicans, Conservatives, and Independents would get behind the Government Owns YOU health plan…if it applied only to Democrats…and only Democrats were made to pay for it…and if only Democrats were affected by any incentives to good behavior…inspired by it.

Then, as the Democratic People’s Health Plan made Democrats live healthier and longer…the Democratic Party would grow…

As you basked in the light of radiant health…living life as required by the health plan…happily…

And we were left outside, without the Government’s benign oversight of our life…not having to pay the taxes required for your health plan…but also not receiving any of its benefits.

I would enjoy watching you fools suffer the soft tyranny of do gooders…as they tax, and harrass you…to eat whole grain gruel…and live precisely as they demand you live…

Be fun for me.

# 15 bobbo, most things are plain to see said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:28 am

Alfie==HEY ALFIEEEEEEE!!!! says: “soft tyranny of do gooders.” Corrupting and paraphrasing several civil rights leaders.

Kinda reminds me of the Spanish Inquistion with their use of Comfy Chairs as torture devices.

Religious yet Hates the Poor. The double combo.

# 16 Named said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 am

14 AlfredENewman,

Only a true AMERICAN Christians revels in the suffering of others. And only a true AMERICAN Christian fantasizes about the day when their fellow citizens are ill. There is a special place for you in Hell… particularly amongst the sodomites and hate filled.

Hurry it up please!

# 17 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 am

#13 Then move to Switzerland dickhead.

# 18 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 am

#13, If he got caught, he could be brought up on charges of fraud. If you charge the insurance company, it is in a DB somewhere. If an insurance claim and a line item claim ever match up, slap him hard.

Deductions work now. I am sure it would work in this instance, too.

# 19 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 am

#16 I would love it, you folks living according to the precepts of the Democratic Party Wellness Commission on Health…

And we uninsured masses…according to our own personal choices…

When you enter a resturant…no menu required…tasteless gruel, organic, whole grain…is the only thing you are allowed…

While I feast on steak, buttered breads, baked potatoes…etc…

While you have that “i a sick vegetarian cult follower” look…

We will be overweight fatties…but very jolly.

While you stand outside of our restaurants, drooling, face pressed against the glass, we will allow eat slow, the feasts we prepare from all the foods THEY won’t let you eat…

# 20 Named said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 am

17 AlfredENewman,

OOOooooh! Your homosexual fantasies about dickheads are “coming out”. So should you… Leave Jesus and God for the heterosexuals.

# 21 Named said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 am

19, AlfredENewman,

LOL. You really live in a delusional world… OH yeah! You’re library starts with B and ends with IBLE.

And naught in between. Like your ears.

# 22 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 am

Here’s a European warning America not to tread down the same path Europe has.

http://tinyurl.com/yb4esfb

# 23 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 am

#17 Even transtesticles like Mr. Fusion wouldn’t find you dickhead attractive.

Obamacare should let everyone who isn’t a statist, opt out…

It should rule over statists alone…

They alone should live according to its demands…they alone should pay for it…they alone should get the benefits.

The rest of us will party…laughing at you statists…as you begin to hate life…laboring under the omnipresent do gooder…who won’t leave you alone to make any decision, lest it cost the health care plan…

I want to see you reap what you have sown…that will make me very happy…

# 24 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:49 am

Like congress, I just want to opt out of Obamacare…is that too much to ask…

And like Congress, I don’t want to pay one penny for its support….is that too much to ask?

Only Democrats should be forced to live under Obamacare…

The rest of us should be left to our own personal choices…

Is that too much to ask?

# 25 Named said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:51 am

23 AlfredENewman,

“I want to see you reap what you have sown…that will make me very happy…”

You care far too much about me. Probably because you’re a homosexual and you know I’m a man. I couldn’t give one tiny shit about you though, because you are worth less than even that.

I’m going to go an enjoy life for a bit while you praise the Lord trying to fend off your homosexual tendencies… And by tendencies, I mean your fantasies of being gangbanged by a room full of priests and holy icons.

# 26 Hmeyers said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:59 am

@Alfred

Obama did run saying he was against the idea of a mandate.

I have to say I am irritated about this change.

Having freedom to opt out is critical because it denies a monopoly if it is a failure.

I find it irritating that government likes to have monopolies of power — which never work — which is why we don’t allow corporations to have monopolies.

Free market economics principles applies to government as well.

I was thrilled with Obama last year because he was against insurance mandates versus Hillary that was all for them.

However, nothing has passed yet and I really am not liking this bill.

# 27 jbellies said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:07 am

If this were some force of nature, there would be a charitable organization to combat it (we have “Beat Cancer” orgs, why not have a “Take Care of Kidney Donors” org?). Just saying. If US-style conservatives want to fix the broken health care system, whining because the US is trying to avail itself of the experience of other countries, is not enough. You actually have to come up with an alternative method to fix it. And why did you not act 5, 10, 15 years earlier?

Living in Canada, where the governing national party is called The Conservative Party, but nobody wants to dismantle socialized health care, I have an entirely different perspective!

# 28 amodedoma said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:20 am

There’s never, ever been a better time to emigrate. Any under-educated american with a little courage ought to be able to take their english speaking skills to a country where there is a big demand for english teachers. Even if you didn’t go to college you don’t need it to get started, if you did the TOEFL certification should be a snap. So go ahead, improve yourself and secure a better future for your descendants. You too can live in a society with high taxes and social medicine. The perception that the USA is a model for a society with a high standard of living is finally showing itself for what it truly is. A con game where a very few can live high on the hog while the masses are struggling just to stay alive.

# 29 freddybobs68k said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:36 am

#23 Alfred1

In the Uk system you are able to opt out, and use private only health care I believe. You can get your NHS contribution (or most of it at least back).

#17 Alfred1

The reason bringing up Switzerland is important is because it shows that a well functioning health care system does not have to be a government system. BUT it does have to be highly regulated, by government.

So there are your choices

1) Have (at minimum) government insurance system, to create a competitive landscape such that basic health care is low cost, universal and can be relied on by all.

2) Or highly regulate the industry, such that you get the above.

Either works.

The route the US is currently taking is some kind of perverse middle way, with all the cost and waste and idiocy that we see today. The result is it costs much more for less.

So anybody arguing for the status quo, or the status quo plus a tweak, isn’t really paying attention.

Personally I’ve experienced 1 in a few countries, and it works well. Both in the cost, and the service delivered.

And since I feel the need to repeat this point over and over again…

Universal health care as supplied in other industrialized nations, provides good health care for _everybody_, at a _much lower cost_. Typically less than half the price of US.

Why can’t the US have a system like that? Swiss or otherwise?

# 30 Loupe Garou said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:36 am

#27 “but nobody wants to dismantle socialized health care”

Do you really think once it is established it can ever be dismantled even if you want to? Have you ever seen a bureaucracy dismantled anywhere? The main purpose of a bureaucracy is to perpetuate itself. Hell, we can’t even reform the tax code. Yes I know, don’t tell me, Canada’s is great.

# 31 Loupe Garou said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am

#29
“Universal health care as supplied in other industrialized nations, provides good health care for _everybody_, at a _much lower cost_. Typically less than half the price of US.

Why can’t the US have a system like that? Swiss or otherwise?”

Why do people from other countries feel this insatiable need to correct everything they see “wrong” in the US? I notice quite a few problems in the world go screw with someone else.

# 32 freddybobs68k said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:47 am

#31 Loupe Garou

I live in the US. So it effects me and my family. This year my health insurance went up by 40% for example.

If I didn’t live here, then it would not bother me.

I’ve been fortunate to live and work in other countries. So I can relate that experience. You’d think that’d be helpful. Apparently not.

But lets not worry about ’screwing’ right now.

Why do you want to pay much more, for worse health care? Riddle me that.

# 33 JimR said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 am

Re: #9, Alfred1… “I prefer freedom, to servitude…I prefer Government OUT of my life, not in it.

Alfred… you want government out of your life?

Imagine the USA without any government. Sure, you would be totally free… like any other animal. Who would you dare pick up in your Taxi? Hmmm?

Pretty simple to imagine… even for you.

# 34 smartalix said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 am

As someone who actually lived under both a euro system (Germany) and here, I can say our system is so inefficient and broken it isn’t even funny. I had one daughter born here and one there, guess which cost me a couple thousand bucks for just a few days care and which system provided a week of care with no bill presented to me.

# 35 Floyd said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:59 am

Alfie:
Read the original post again. Then read what I say below (and I’ll use fairly small words so you can understand).

Now, suppose you have badly damaged kidneys, and your MD says you need a transplant. However, if any person donates a kidney to you, they are now in the class of having a “pre-existing condition,” and can’t get health insurance at all. If the donor falls ill to any medical problem, they can’t get medical coverage in the future, unless they don’t donate a kidney to you.

You won’t get your kidney, and will either be on dialysis for the rest of your life (but the insurance company may weasel out of paying for the dialysis), or you’ll die.

Think about it…

# 36 Jim said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 am

isn’t this going against every single “organ donor” campaign ever done by the DMV and the doctors who say we need more donors to save more lives?

i would guess in texas and other states that are less lax in regulations a lot of people will opt out of organ donation the next couple of years because they will see being a good and compassionate person no longer pays.

# 37 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 am

#26 That’s one broken promise among many…

Its ironic the free spirits of the 60s, who are now the establishment…define “power to the people” as power to the government.

Health care is their foot into your bedroom, kitchen, and garage…they will regulate every aspect of your life…to save their health care from any “unnecessary” costs.

While they themselves are above it all…

Its time for you to reevaluate your position on the founding fathers…freedom is not right wing extremism…its freedom from tyranny, both “hard” and “soft.”

# 38 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:29 am

#35 It was your choice to give up a kidney…not the insurance company…if you can’t afford the possible consequences…don’t give it up…

God gave you two for a reason.

In a free market…a charity can spring up…and collect donations to supply dialysis if needed…

Its absurd the Government collect billions…and then require reams of paperwork…employ thousands of bureaucrats….erect buildings in every city and town…to administer what one charity could do…for a few million dollars…

# 39 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 am

#32, So, because your insurance went up 40%, it’s ok to take from others to give you some relief?

Would you feel that way if your insurance would go up under FedCare but down under private?

I don’t think it went up 40%. Sounds like BS to me.

# 40 jbellies said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 am

#30 Loupe Garou (man-wolf)

Bureaucracies indeed are insidious, but sometimes they do get pared down, after a struggle. From Margaret Thatcher in the UK, down to Bill Bennett here in BC.

But you misrepresented what I wrote. Rephrased, it’s that none of the five major political parties wants to dismantle socialized medicine. Even the ruling Conservative Party doesn’t go beyond wanting it to run more efficiently. As do we all.

The bugbear of socialized medicine being the devil’s spawn seems not to be an issue in countries that actually have socialized medicine.

# 41 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 am

#33, The US didn’t have a strong central government all through the 1900’s and it grew to be a super-power in spite of that.

It would work if people were forced to be more self-reliant.

Why is your opinion of your next door neighbor so low that you think he needs a nanny to watch after him?

# 42 Hmeyers said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:33 am

@ Alfred

I may a liberal, but I am a REAL liberal.

This means I want results and the results must work and the results must be cost effective.

I don’t see freedom as right wing extremism.

I see freedom as the defense against incompetence.

So I’m all for a health care solution, but certainly not a mandated one.

That is, by default, tyranny because if I breathe I am supposed to buy it even if I do not want it or morally object to it.

# 43 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 am

#33 non sequitur…apples and oranges…while law and tyranny both come from government…there is a fundamental difference…one is followed freely…the other forced upon the people.

As the question is “what government rule is proper over a free people” is the question, any government rule that is tyranny has an incompatible property relevant to the issue.

# 44 GetSmart said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am

For profit “health care” is a far more morally and ethically repugnant concept than cannibalism.
Get it? Or are you folks who are against it just mindless, soulless automatons? You know, the kind of assholes who ran the showers at Auschwitz? Well?

# 45 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:40 am

Germans pay 15% of their gross pay into their medical system. And it is $11B in debt this year.

Can anybody find what others pay in other countries?

# 46 Hmeyers said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 am

@ Getsmart

The amount of training to train doctors and nurses and build medical facilities is enormous.

In economics, a “normal profit” means something merely pays for itself. This money must come from somewhere so even in a government solution it will be paid by taxpayers.

If the government solution is a state-sponsored monopoly, and our government has a history of doing many things very poorly with enormous expenses to do it poor, shouldn’t you be concerned that they want to mandate your participation?

If the system is GOOD, everyone would voluntarily opt in.

That is the kind of opt-in I want.

# 47 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 am

#42 A classic liberalism was anti-authritarian…Modern liberals are actually statists, they are FOR authoritarian Government.

So we have “comity” there…

Statists now run our Congress and White House…they would imprison you just as quickly as me…if we do not submit to their authority.

# 48 freddybobs68k said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 am

#39 LibertyLover

‘So, because your insurance went up 40%, it’s ok to take from others to give you some relief?’

Sigh.

No, it is an example of how the US system has effected me. If you read the post I was responding to, you might have seen the connection.

‘Would you feel that way if your insurance would go up under FedCare but down under private?’

What on Earth are you talking about? There’s more variables than that.

It’s really simple. The US system costs more for less.

‘I don’t think it went up 40%. Sounds like BS to me.’

Well you are incorrect. And that is a _fact_.

# 49 Hmeyers said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:54 am

@ Alfred

Modern “conservatives” are anti-everything.

The problem is that they should demand efficiency, not object to everything.

Universal vaccination of children is a noble goal and no conservatives seem to object to that.

In my mind, the problem isn’t the idea of a healthcare solution but the idea that the incompetent federal government will end up running it.

Our federal government is very wasteful and does only a few things cost-effectively — unlike some of the small European countries which have much more efficient governments possibly due to size and connection to the constituents.

I do not want to grant them a new monopoly.

You cannot bypass economics.

# 50 right said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 10:02 am

The public option will pass and eventually, single payer will be in the works as well. Now that is the right way to go.
And Alfred1 will be the first in line for it, the hypocrite. Let’s hope he Raptures soon so we don’t have to put up with his low IQ.

# 51 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 am

#49 Conservatives are FOR freedom…free market.

Government isn’t just inefficient…its corrupt.

I believe the people who looked were bribed to look the other way, and not regulate…which caused the crash…who still run our government…created a smokescreen to keep themselves out of jail…

Its been one crisis after another…since the crash…by design…

No one can catch their breath…stop running, and see what’s happening.

This same corrupt bunch who reap “protection money” from the industries they regulate…want to extend their racket over our health care system…

Its not about reform…its about control, and the money they get when they grant favors…and fail to enforce regulation…

So I want to return to small, tiny government…rescind the income tax and so deprive the Congress of the ability to extort money…so that corruption ends and real power to the people can begin…

We need to return to what the founding fathers set up.

# 52 SparkyOne said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 am

What about those with supermumerary? Are they no longer insurable after giving a kidney?

# 53 sargasso said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am

My employer’s medical insurance plan for their employees, covers all pre-existing conditions. The employer can buy a higher premium pre-ex medical, dental, surgical, accident and liability plan, but generally can’t be bothered.

# 54 Alfred's next door neighbor said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 am

Alfred, for gods sake girl, take your meds. My dog can’t take another screwing!

Look buddy, the whole neighborhood took up a collection to help you buy the medication. The least you could do is take it and leave our pets alone. If you are running short, let me know. Somehow I will find a way to get you some more. Yes, I know that is socialism to have others help out, but you NEED your meds.

Oh, and we don’t really care who you invite over, but please have your gentleman friends dress BEFORE THEY LEAVE!!! We don’t need to see their teenie erections under rolls of flab.

And our help doesn’t go as far as lending you whole tubs of lard either. Especially when it is one of your naked boy friends asking.

# 55 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am

ATTENTION MODERATOR…I PROTEST SUCH FILTH

#54 teenie erections under rolls of flab….naked boy friends…:

I protest to the moderators….any poster writing such filth should be made to identify themselves…so can protect ourselves from their filth…

Deranged and perverse posters should be easily identifiable…so we can skip over thier posts…

It serves no valid debate purpose a deranged poster be allowed to himself and enabled to inflict sickness upon the unwary….repeatedly.

# 56 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 am

#55 THAT IS, posters should not be allowed to change their name, at will, every post…

Then we can get to know what a poster believes…

AND those that are perverse and sick, like (probably Mr. Fusion) #54, can be avoided.

The present policy enables we be mugged on this board, daily.

# 57 meh.... said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 am

Hrm, maybe I’m missing some point, but I’m gonna say that those who say the government is taking over health care are idiots….

They are regulating and adding a government option… IE making sure insurance companies don’t keeps screwing the public over and creating an option for insurance to people who can’t normally afford it.

So this is bad why?

# 58 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 am

#55: Then stop bating/debating. For what it’s worth, a lot of people think you are deranged and perverse.

# 59 Internet anonymity for the win! said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:37 am

found my new name when posting.. I kinda like it….

Wow.. I think I know why I can’t see nakedness or listen to cursing on prime time TV anymore…

It’s always the select few that screw everything over for the rest of us because of “Their” beliefs…. err wait… that’s what this who topic of conversation is… Guess it’s my turn to vote for a government plan so that I can impose my views on people who don’t want them… YAY!!!

# 60 Dave T said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:43 am

As the greatest country in the world, we need to take better care of our citizens. Period. I don’t understand the argument about people worried about the costs. It’s ok to spend trillions to go overseas to take over a country that had nothing to do with anything, kill the guy’s kids, put him in a trial he couldn’t win, hang him and in the process kill more innocent people than he ever did. I guess that makes us better? Everyone complains about spending the money to give our people health care. Let’s put the money into helping the citizens of the United States be healthy and striving.

# 61 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 am

#55 I don’t hide my identity…everyone knows what I am likely to say…

It serves no good purpose these despicable individuals hide their identity.

YOU would object if I spammed this board with counters to your lunacy…under pseudonyms …so that it appears dozens of people objected to your moon bat theories.

Rather I prefer the truth be known…that this board is about 60% liberal…40% conservative…and that’s ok…its boring debating people who agree with you.

Allowing pedophiles post under pseudonyms cannot be good for DU.

# 62 qb said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am

#55 Alfred1

From a couple of days ago:

Alfred1 said “cya later…Hannity is on…Not White House Approved News….talking about Obama care…and filibuster…good stuff”

qb said “@Alfred1, first thing you’ve said that almost makes sense. Hannity is far more feminine than Hillary.”

Alfred1 said “This is DU…you aren’t grabbing your ankles at the local bath house…try to restrain yourself.”

This sort of thing is pretty typical of you. I’ve disagreed with you, teased you, made fun of your opinions, thrown stones at religion, institutions, etc. However, I’ve never made once attacked your personal faith, sexuality, race, age, etc. Same with Dodd.

I’m not whining, life’s not fair. A true conservative understands that, right? Secondly, it appears that your values are parochial and self serving, not universal. That couldn’t possibly be true, right?

# 63 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 am

#59 The USA is bankrupt…our credit line was shredded sometime ago…they had to print money, monetize our debt.

The world is talking about forsaking the dollar…

Not because we are the greatest country on earth…but because we are bankrupt.

# 64 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am

qb I didn’t post that under a pseudonym…you know I joke like that…I don’t mean it literally…its metaphor…

Its humorous as long as one doesn’t visualize the metaphor, literally.

Mr Fusion is a sick deranged person who posts filth on various names, to HIDE who he is, lest he be identified with the filth he puts out.

I am willing to stand by what I say…the name “Alfred1″ connotes something to those who know me…

Its not right people change their identity, when they will say things they don’t want to be identified with…

Its not conducive to true debate…it encourages lying, filth, and perversity.

Pedophilia is the last straw…I protest DU’s policy of letting pedophiles post their filth…and not have that perversity follow them so we are forewarned, and can avoid their posts.

# 65 Dave T said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm

#62

Agreed. Should have been: as “The Greatest Country in the World”

# 66 tcc3 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm

Alfred is driving the waaahmbulance again.

# 67 MrMiGu said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Alfred,
I find it kind of ironic that you are fighting for an unregulated country but are crying to the governing body of this site to control whats going on….

you say you want to return the country so that it is run “by the people”. Your government is (supposedly) a democracy, so the people decide who gets to run it, and they have decided to vote in someone who chooses to improve your medical system, making it accessible to all. On the other hand, your current medical system is run “by the people that have money” and they are running it with the express purpose of maximizing profits.

# 68 qb said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm

@MrMiGu, ironic no? I taught my kids never to say the “F” word. And by “F” word I mean “Fair”.

# 69 jccalhoun said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:47 pm

how did I know that this thread would be all about Alfred1?
If you pay attention to him he contradicts himself constantly and doesn’t remember what he says from one day to the next. I’m convinced he’s a troll and/or compulsive liar.

# 70 Hmeyers said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm

This is what I call the Glenn Beck effect.

Some really bad back and forth debate and then someone does something offensive and then Glen Beck embellishes his sob story.

The next thing you know, the subject matter is so derailed you can’t remember what the topic was.

What was this blog post about anyway?

# 71 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 pm

#48, ‘Would you feel that way if your insurance would go up under FedCare but down under private?’

What on Earth are you talking about? There’s more variables than that.

But it IS that simple when it goes up?

Give me a break.

‘I don’t think it went up 40%. Sounds like BS to me.’

Well you are incorrect. And that is a _fact_.

Well, you’ve told me something was a fact before and lied about it.

I’m not sure what to believe.

# 72 freddybobs68k said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

#71 LibertyLover

Child.

# 73 Mr. Fusion said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Alphie

You called me a pedophile. You called me a Nazi, and a communist. And a few more things too. Yet, without a doubt, it is you who are the phony.

I have been out most of the day. Yet you accuse me of writing things when I wasn’t even at my computer.

Tell us, did you cry? Did the tears roll down your face because someone else gave you the exact same style of medicine you have been giving others? Do you not see the hypocrisy in what you whine about?

Of all the trolls that frequent DU, you are the most worthless piece of shit imaginable. YOU are the one that needs to be banned. YOU who feel no guilt at continually telling people their brain is a pea on a four lane highway. YOU, who call us “statist” as if it is something bad. YOU, who can’t back up any slander you throw out. YOU, who insist that those who care about America are “budding Nazis liberal fascists”.

Mr Fusion is a sick deranged person who posts filth on various names, to HIDE who he is, lest he be identified with the filth he puts out.

Please give us an example of my posting under an assumed name OTHER than Mr. Fusion, which, incidentally is not my real name. Come on, you wrote it, back it up!

Now, deranged? Really. Maybe you could point out a few posts showing my “deranged mind”.

And yes, I have been ill lately. But we have a good insurance plan. Hopefully the prognosis won’t bankrupt us.

As a hack driver you are also an independent contractor which means YOU provide your own health insurance. With your fat ass and age the only plan you might qualify for is Medicare. Yup SOCIALIZED medicine for Alphie.

Asshole! I don’t even know your effen neighbor. And there is no way I would want to be near you by the way it sounds.

# 74 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm

#73 If you don’t like being accused of what you didn’t post, join me in demanding posters stick to one icon…

Otherwise, I do think it was you posting that filth…the phraseology seemed very similar to you.

# 75 Mr. Fusion said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm

#55, Alphie,

ATTENTION MODERATOR…I PROTEST SUCH FILTH

#54 teenie erections under rolls of flab….naked boy friends…:

So which are you protesting, the erections or the rolls of flab. It is accepted you won’t protest the “naked boyfriends” since you post so much gay slanted material.

Maybe if you ~~used soap in the shower~~ took a shower it wouldn’t be so filthy.

# 76 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm

#67 Its odd you gents don’t see the logic in this…

I could spam you, under assumed names, with all sorts of vile posts…

And it might be supposed there were a lot of folks disagreeing with you…when in fact, its just one person.

Why is it I am alone in discerning the ability to disguise oneself as many, and spam others, is not good for a debate forum?

Surely your collective hate for me can be suspended this once…its in the best interest of all you moonbats conservative right wing extremist like me don’t spam you under different names…and get away with it.

# 77 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

#75 U proved I was right…I knew you were a transvestite…but pedophile was a new one.

You disgust me.

# 78 Mr. Fusion said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm

#74, Alphie,

the phraseology seemed very similar to you.

The “phraseology”? Ya right. Not proof, only opinion.

“Seemed”. That means it wasn’t actually, it only was close in appearance.

“Similar”? Again, not a match. Close, but no cigar.

So you accuse me without taking the time to look into it. As I said above, you slander others without thought or compunction.

Ya need to be banned.

# 79 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm

#78 Only you would dwell upon teenage anatomy, with such obvious lust…now that I know its you…the evidences…the “tells” were there all along…in many of your posts.

You disgust me.

# 80 Mr. Fusion said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:25 pm

#76, Alphie,

Why is it I am alone in discerning the ability to disguise oneself as many, …

Maybe because most of us don’t need to create new aliases to bolster our arguments. Apparently though, YOU know the trick. It stands to reason that maybe many of these attacks came directly from YOU in order to gain sympathy.

Typical right wing nut trick. Create a diversion so others don’t see you have no plans or ideas.

# 81 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm

#80 Beware…you aren’t knowing if the moderators might decide to reveal the identity of the vile posters…

If the fish only kept its mouth shut…it would not have been caught.

AND its obvious you are a blow fish…can blow a golf ball through a 50′ garden hose…like a projectile.

# 82 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm

#72, Just tellin’ like it is, like all children do.

# 83 tcc3 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm

The Lady doth protest too much…

The original insult mentioned a dog but nothing about kids or teenagers.

Guilty “conservative” conscience?

# 84 freddybobs68k said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:34 pm

#76 Alfred1

I think you’ve got the wrong guy. Mr Fusion posts under Mr Fusion and that’s the end of that.

In terms of people posting under different names – how do you stop it? This is just a blog, you want people to be able to post simply. You want them to be able to post anonymously.

If people abuse this simplicity, ignore them.

Tolerance is the key to many of lifes problems. Saying anything important, is probably going to be offensive to someone.

The nazi/pedophile/hitler stuff is kinda sad. Unfortunately that said that is something you engage in yourself. I believe Jesus said something about planks/splinters and eyes that’s somehow applicable.

# 85 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm

#83 Incorrect, see post #55, and therefore, “No”

But calling a man, “a lady,” is what blowhards on the daisy chain do…

So was it you that posted about teenage boys?

# 86 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm

ALFRED,

We are not revealing identities.

You want us to censor those you disagree with or don’t like. Well, a LOT of people don’t like what you post. Should we censor you because of that? Or are you opposed to fair play?

Just so you know, Alfred, banning you as a troll has been discussed, but shot down by John because you do make things lively around here. Take that as you will.

# 87 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm

#84 I disagree…I am not attacking anonymity.

But a person’s “avatar” develops a persona after a few posts…a context.

It is required I have that context…to discuss anything at length with you.

If you post under various names, like some sort of Jekyll and Hyde, I should know that when responding to you…whether to take what you say, seriously.

As for Mr. Fusion, he is deranged, and I believe, guilty as charged.

He disgusts me.

# 88 LibertyLover said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm

#86, You mean he has a fan?!?!

# 89 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pm

#84: You are correct about Fusion. He has been for a very long time. Far longer than Alfred, and far more civil.

# 90 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm

#86 John is more thoughtful than you…that is clear from your inability to discuss the logic of my protest…its premises…

Then at least you could have agreed, or disagreed with its conclusion, like a thinker.

Only trolls call others a troll, in this circumstance…take that as you will.

Obviously my logic of my complaint went over your head…perhaps someone else might see…it is antithetical to real debate…when liars can assume multiple identities…and spam their opponents.

# 91 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm

#88: Not a fan, exactly. I think John sees Alfred more like the court jester who one tolerates because he is useful, in a way. For now.

For what it’s worth, I respect that Alfred has fervently held beliefs. However, he is unwilling to engage in thoughtful discourse, devolving into spouting rhetoric and closed mindedness that leads to name calling those who think differently. Much as a child does who has yet to learn to function on an adult level.

# 92 tcc3 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Its a quote from a somewhat famous author.

Reading is Fundamental. You should try it sometime.

# 93 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm

[violation of posting guidelines...off topic rant].

# 94 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Oh well…I will identify the pedophile as Mr. Fusion…every time he spams me…

That is “fair play.”

# 95 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Alfred, we have no way of doing what you are saying even if we wanted to. If people create additional identities, we have no way of knowing that or policing that.

# 96 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm

#94: Or you could act like an adult and discuss issues rather than devolve into name calling.

# 97 JimR said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pm

Poo.

# 98 Uncle Dave said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm

Alfred, I’m calling you out this time.

In #23, you started calling Fusion names without him even having commented on this post. It wasn’t until #73 when he did.

It’s looking more like your posts are those of a troll. I think it’s time for John to re-evaluate his stance on you.

# 99 JimR said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Hey Mr. fusion, I hope you’re recovering well. I just had a good chunk of my right ear lopped off last week… basal cell skin cancer. No worries about coverage… I kiss my Canadian ground.

# 100 qb said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:21 pm

Gee, people not using their real names in a public forum on the internet. Who would have thought?

@Alfred1, there are no rules in a knife fight.

# 101 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm

#98 Reevaluate all you like…

As for the board’s inability to do as I asked…why didn’t you say so at first, rather than “banning you as a troll has been discussed”

I had a reasoned request…nothing out of the way…an you responded to me unreasonably…not treating the premise of my request.

As for Mr. Fusion, I will id him as the pedophile spamming me…when a pedophile spams me…

That’s fair play….If he don’t like it, then perhaps he can petition you upgrade your software…so you can id the pedophile to us.

# 102 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 pm

[violation of posting guidelines]

# 103 Floyd said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Alfie said:

“I believe the people who looked were bribed to look the other way, and not regulate…which caused the crash…”

Probably true. However, those people in power that could have stopped Bernard Madoff, B of A, Wells Fargo, etc. but looked the other way were Republicans (the party of “don’t regulate”). and they’re not in power now for a good reason. Some of them are in jail (Madoff, for instance), but not all of them.

# 104 canucklehead said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm

The rest of the developed world has figured this out. Why is it so difficult for Americans?

(hint – one universal government run system – you will live longer and it will cost you less)

# 105 right said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm

“Why is it so difficult for Americans?”

Answer – Republicans, the money whores. They care not a whit about the people. They had 8 years(!) in power and how was the health industry for the people enhanced? Silence…..
Well, they’ll be in the dungeons of the political backwaters soon and good riddance.
And no, Wailin’ failin’ Palin’ll be trailin’ because she’s stupid. Right Alphie? Don’t forget our $25,000 bet.

# 106 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm

#103 Democrats took power in the 2006 elections…and they controlled all the committees from 2007 onward.

But both parties did it…

That is why Republicans, although promising smaller government, never deliver…they become corrupt.

Bigger government = more kickbacks…the more you regulate = the more protection money is paid to not be destroyed by the regulators…

Its a game…likely the income tax started the corruption…the rich paying for loopholes…that spread to all of the economy.

Now they want to extend their ability to extort…to the entire medical system…there is lots of money there.

Medicare illustrates what will be…lobbyists pay to have Medicare buy $1000 wheelchairs, for $4000 dollars; $600 oxygen bottles are rented for $6,000 a year…

EVERYONE knows it…that’s why Obama and crew talk about funding health care…from the fraud in Medicare…

But they won’t stop the fraud in Medicare…till they can extend the fraud to the entire system…

AND they won’t stop it at all…stopping it will be forgotten by the public…which has a 30 second attention span.

# 107 GetSmart said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm

And it all descends into flames.

# 108 jccalhoun said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm

Only trolls call others a troll, in this circumstance…take that as you will.

After the millionth example of Alfred1 doing exactly what he accuses other people doing, how can anyone take him seriously? No one can be so blind to their own behavior, can they?

# 109 Hmeyers said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm

Maybe the guy who accidentally ejected himself from the plane was having a conversation with Alfred?

# 110 AC_in_Mich said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 pm

I Actually think this was all pretty funny

Half of these posts had to do with the simple fact that Alfred didn’t realize that “teenie” meant small and not teenager!!! That’s when he got caught up in the pedophile shit! and no one caught on!

DOH!

# 111 deowll said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

Um so having the government run health care will fix this? They can of course cover such people but will they do it for less money?

All they have to do is make this not be a preexisting medical condition along with a host of others. Of course that will cause costs to go up at least some.

# 112 jccalhoun said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 pm

Alfred didn’t realize that “teenie” meant small and not teenager!!!
So that’s what started this. I am now more convinced than ever that Alfred1 is an elaborate troll. Does anyone use “teenie” to mean a teenager?

# 113 Alfred1 said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 9:11 pm

#111 re

54 teenie erections under rolls of flab….naked boy friends…:

In context, “boy”…teenie refers to children.

# 114 Mr. Fusion said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 pm

#99, JimR,

Thank you.

It is my experience from the Canadian system along with some familiarity of the Australian system that has me convinced single payer is the only way to go.

# 115 Mr. Fusion said, on November 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 pm

#110, doill,

Um so having the government run health care will fix this? They can of course cover such people but will they do it for less money?

I guess the significance of that escapes you. It is similar to assisting someone at a accident and then being sued because they were hurt.

A person who volunteers a pint of blood, an organ, or even just some of their time should not be penalized for it. The person giving of them self is a treasure to the whole country. Leaving that person vulnerable for such an unselfish act over money defies logic. People’s health should never be a money issue.

# 116 bobbo, words have a context said, on November 4th, 2009 at 12:28 am

Banned??????? Should be very rare. I remain flabbergasted at how many people get sucked in by “the boys” and take it as a matter of pride that they pointedly do not respond to my own name calling conclusions.

Troll: someone who creates responses by making inflammatory comments for the purpose of generating conflict??? As much as the still birth philosophy of the boys disgusts me, I think they are “true believers” and not trolls. Maybe the effect of both is somewhat the same: someone that cannot be engaged===BUT, for me atleast, “learning” that LIEBERTARIANS and bibble thumpers cannot be reasoned with is valuable to experience? Where else do you get it???

I like the UNCENSORED part of DU. It might take a bit more work/discretion/thought==for that I compliment the staff at DU. Really a terrific set of postings the last few days. Been too busy to respond in more depth. I look forward to more causual time wherein the boys can continue to ignore me. Hah, hah.

Back On Topic==on most issues, I am happy to let the majority rule, even when they are wrong==what else better implements living in a free society except the general concept of majority rule? To that end, I take comfort that some day single payer will come because the majority of Americans have been wanting it for a few years now. As our system continues to implode, that majority will only grow, grow to a size that will defeat the bumper sticker self destructing philosophies of Loser and Alfie. I submit to the system in recognition the alternatives express themselves to the degree they pragmatically exist.

# 117 Uncle Dave said, on November 4th, 2009 at 5:43 am

#112: It would appear you are the only one who took it that way, which says something about you, I guess.

# 118 Alfred1 said, on November 4th, 2009 at 6:07 am

#116 Not at all, its consistent you all took the less likely interpretation as correct, with your adverse reaction to anything I say.

I like the debate however, wouldn’t have it any other way.

# 119 Named said, on November 4th, 2009 at 6:34 am

Why, oh why is no one so delighted by the freedom loving, government hatin’ jesus worshipping AlfredENewman BEGGING FOR HELP from the editors? Shouldn’t he be espousing how great FREEDOM is to say what you will on the blog? Of course not. He’s a statist of the most dangerous type: Get the government out of his house and into everyone elses to make sure they’re are just like him.

Come out of the closet Alfred. You live in America. You will be safe and may finally find your sanity.

# 120 Dan said, on November 4th, 2009 at 6:59 am

Great! I guess I am screwed. 13 years ago I donated a kidney to my wife. Instead of her having to go on dialysis and having Medicare pay $100,000.00 a year for that honor, a one time $50,000.00 operation to give her my kidney will make me not have insurance if I leave me current job.

The government just does not get it any more!!!!

# 121 LibertyLover said, on November 4th, 2009 at 8:32 am

Very good article on the welfare state.

# 122 Mr. Fusion said, on November 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am

#115, Bobbo,

I like the UNCENSORED part of DU. It might take a bit more work/discretion/thought==for that I compliment the staff at DU.

In principle and concept I love the idea. As we all discover though, there will be those with certain mental maladies AND access to a keyboard that should be restrained. I don’t know if you were with us a few years ago when we had a gentleman from New York City who would post long passages about how some woman came to him in a dream and fornicated all night. Make that LOOOOONG and graphic. Repeatedly. I understand that he was banned. And the world didn’t stop but DU improved.

As I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying football is a great analogy. An organized game functions very well, everyone knows the rules and trust in the final score. In a pick-up football game there are no referees to enforce any rules and they often fall into pure mayhem. People will cheat just because they can.

What happened here is someone got tired of Alphie and posted something unflattering. Alphie deserved it in my opinion. Alphie, in kind, blew his little mind. Does this blog’s readers deserve the anarchy that ensued? No.

This is the point where the management could have stepped in and laid down the law about personal attacks. While I disagree with Uncle Dave on this exact point I concede it is his to make and noticed that later Alphie was twice deleted for violations.

The largest reason Liebertarians don’t want rules and regulations is because they wish to feel free to become the anarchists they usually have deep inside. Society as a whole though functions very well when we know the rules. Society usually fails when the rules are non-existent or unenforced.

The vast majority of people don’t need to be policed. What they want are guidelines to follow. Of course, there will always be that small majority that stretch the rules as far as they can or stray beyond the rules.

# 123 LibertyLover said, on November 4th, 2009 at 11:14 am

#120, The largest reason Liebertarians don’t want rules and regulations is because they wish to feel free to become the anarchists they usually have deep inside.

You should learn about something before you start spouting lies.

If you were to answer the question you posed to me, you might learn something about it.

# 124 Mr. Fusion said, on November 4th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

#121, Loser,

If you were to answer the question you posed to me, you might learn something about it.

Liebertarians want to remove all regulations that constrict THEM. Regulations they might benefit from they are content to leave as is.

My question to you is still “Why do you hate America”. At your request, I will answer it for you.

You hate America because you are a dreamer in your mother’s basement. You posed that you “own” a business doing municipal work making mega bucks. Yet you know nothing of running a business. Big, bad, government has denied you the opportunity to become super rich when you still haven’t finished High School. That society would want you to pay or contribute is pretty audacious in your opinion leading to your hate for America, what she stands for, and why you are and will forever be a failure.

# 125 LibertyLover said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:27 am

#122, You still aren’t answering the question.

# 126 Mr. Fusion said, on November 5th, 2009 at 9:11 am

#123,

And you are still a loser.

# 127 LibertyLover said, on November 5th, 2009 at 9:31 am

#124, We’re all losers, so tell me something I don’t know.

Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?

# 128 tcc3 said, on November 5th, 2009 at 10:57 am

This may be the only time that question is even partially applicable.

If you want to save your wife by donating your kidney, why should you be penalized?

Answer: The system is not setup for your benefit. The insurance co would see you dead to save a nickel.

# 129 Mr. Fusion said, on November 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

#125, Why do you hate America when you still make use of your mother’s basement?

# 130 LibertyLover said, on November 6th, 2009 at 6:00 am

#128, It’s not a healthcare question. It’s a character question.

#129, tsk, tsk. Trying to change the subject again.

Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?

I’ve answered that question for you, at your “polite” request.

Now return the favor.

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