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	<title>Comments on: Donating A Kidney Creates &#8216;Pre-existing Condition&#8217; Meaning No More Insurance Coverage For You!</title>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1598282</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#128, It&#039;s not a healthcare question.  It&#039;s a character question.

#129, tsk, tsk. Trying to change the subject again.

Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?  

I&#039;ve answered that question for you, at your &quot;polite&quot; request.

Now return the favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#128, It&#8217;s not a healthcare question.  It&#8217;s a character question.</p>
<p>#129, tsk, tsk. Trying to change the subject again.</p>
<p>Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve answered that question for you, at your &#8220;polite&#8221; request.</p>
<p>Now return the favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1598073</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#125, Why do you hate America when you still make use of your mother&#039;s basement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#125, Why do you hate America when you still make use of your mother&#8217;s basement?</p>
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		<title>By: tcc3</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1598021</link>
		<dc:creator>tcc3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be the only time that question is even partially applicable.

If you want to save your wife by donating your kidney, why should you be penalized?

Answer: The system is not setup for your benefit. The insurance co would see you dead to save a nickel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the only time that question is even partially applicable.</p>
<p>If you want to save your wife by donating your kidney, why should you be penalized?</p>
<p>Answer: The system is not setup for your benefit. The insurance co would see you dead to save a nickel.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597990</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#124, We&#039;re all losers, so tell me something I don&#039;t know.

Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#124, We&#8217;re all losers, so tell me something I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597979</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#123,

And you are still a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#123,</p>
<p>And you are still a loser.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597923</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#122, You still aren&#039;t answering the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#122, You still aren&#8217;t answering the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597858</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#121, Loser,

&lt;i&gt;If you were to answer the question you posed to me, you might learn something about it.&lt;/i&gt;

Liebertarians want to remove all regulations that constrict THEM. Regulations they might benefit from they are content to leave as is. 

My question to you is still &quot;Why do you hate America&quot;. At your request, I will answer it for you.

You hate America because you are a dreamer in your mother&#039;s basement. You posed that you &quot;own&quot; a business doing municipal work making mega bucks. Yet you know nothing of running a business. Big, bad, government has denied you the opportunity to become super rich when you still haven&#039;t finished High School. That society would want you to pay or contribute is pretty audacious in your opinion leading to your hate for America, what she stands for, and why you are and will forever be a failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#121, Loser,</p>
<p><i>If you were to answer the question you posed to me, you might learn something about it.</i></p>
<p>Liebertarians want to remove all regulations that constrict THEM. Regulations they might benefit from they are content to leave as is. </p>
<p>My question to you is still &#8220;Why do you hate America&#8221;. At your request, I will answer it for you.</p>
<p>You hate America because you are a dreamer in your mother&#8217;s basement. You posed that you &#8220;own&#8221; a business doing municipal work making mega bucks. Yet you know nothing of running a business. Big, bad, government has denied you the opportunity to become super rich when you still haven&#8217;t finished High School. That society would want you to pay or contribute is pretty audacious in your opinion leading to your hate for America, what she stands for, and why you are and will forever be a failure.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597727</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#120, &lt;i&gt;The largest reason Liebertarians don’t want rules and regulations is because they wish to feel free to become the anarchists they usually have deep inside.&lt;/i&gt;

You should learn about something before you start spouting lies.

If you were to answer the question you posed to me, you might learn something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#120, <i>The largest reason Liebertarians don’t want rules and regulations is because they wish to feel free to become the anarchists they usually have deep inside.</i></p>
<p>You should learn about something before you start spouting lies.</p>
<p>If you were to answer the question you posed to me, you might learn something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597718</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#115, Bobbo,

&lt;i&gt;I like the UNCENSORED part of DU. It might take a bit more work/discretion/thought==for that I compliment the staff at DU.&lt;/i&gt;

In principle and concept I love the idea. As we all discover though, there will be those with certain mental maladies AND access to a keyboard that should be restrained. I don&#039;t know if you were with us a few years ago when we had a gentleman from New York City who would post long passages about how some woman came to him in a dream and fornicated all night. Make that LOOOOONG and graphic. Repeatedly. I understand that he was banned. And the world didn&#039;t stop but DU improved.

As I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying football is a great analogy. An organized game functions very well, everyone knows the rules and trust in the final score. In a pick-up football game there are no referees to enforce any rules and they often fall into pure mayhem. People will cheat just because they can.

What happened here is someone got tired of Alphie and posted something unflattering. Alphie deserved it in my opinion. Alphie, in kind, blew his little mind. Does this blog&#039;s readers deserve the anarchy that ensued? No. 

This is the point where the management could have stepped in and laid down the law about personal attacks. While I disagree with Uncle Dave on this exact point I concede it is his to make and noticed that later Alphie was twice deleted for violations.

The largest reason Liebertarians don&#039;t want rules and regulations is because they wish to feel free to become the anarchists they usually have deep inside. Society as a whole though functions very well when we know the rules. Society usually fails when the rules are non-existent or unenforced.

The vast majority of people don&#039;t need to be policed. What they want are guidelines to follow. Of course, there will always be that small majority that stretch the rules as far as they can or stray beyond the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#115, Bobbo,</p>
<p><i>I like the UNCENSORED part of DU. It might take a bit more work/discretion/thought==for that I compliment the staff at DU.</i></p>
<p>In principle and concept I love the idea. As we all discover though, there will be those with certain mental maladies AND access to a keyboard that should be restrained. I don&#8217;t know if you were with us a few years ago when we had a gentleman from New York City who would post long passages about how some woman came to him in a dream and fornicated all night. Make that LOOOOONG and graphic. Repeatedly. I understand that he was banned. And the world didn&#8217;t stop but DU improved.</p>
<p>As I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying football is a great analogy. An organized game functions very well, everyone knows the rules and trust in the final score. In a pick-up football game there are no referees to enforce any rules and they often fall into pure mayhem. People will cheat just because they can.</p>
<p>What happened here is someone got tired of Alphie and posted something unflattering. Alphie deserved it in my opinion. Alphie, in kind, blew his little mind. Does this blog&#8217;s readers deserve the anarchy that ensued? No. </p>
<p>This is the point where the management could have stepped in and laid down the law about personal attacks. While I disagree with Uncle Dave on this exact point I concede it is his to make and noticed that later Alphie was twice deleted for violations.</p>
<p>The largest reason Liebertarians don&#8217;t want rules and regulations is because they wish to feel free to become the anarchists they usually have deep inside. Society as a whole though functions very well when we know the rules. Society usually fails when the rules are non-existent or unenforced.</p>
<p>The vast majority of people don&#8217;t need to be policed. What they want are guidelines to follow. Of course, there will always be that small majority that stretch the rules as far as they can or stray beyond the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-7/#comment-1597665</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ylnnbra&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Very good article on the welfare state.&lt;/a&gt;

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ylnnbra" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Very good article on the welfare state.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-6/#comment-1597633</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great!  I guess I am screwed.  13 years ago I donated a kidney to my wife.  Instead of her having to go on dialysis and having Medicare pay $100,000.00 a year for that honor, a one time $50,000.00 operation to give her my kidney will make me not have insurance if I leave me current job.

The government just does not get it any more!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great!  I guess I am screwed.  13 years ago I donated a kidney to my wife.  Instead of her having to go on dialysis and having Medicare pay $100,000.00 a year for that honor, a one time $50,000.00 operation to give her my kidney will make me not have insurance if I leave me current job.</p>
<p>The government just does not get it any more!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Named</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-6/#comment-1597625</link>
		<dc:creator>Named</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, oh why is no one so delighted by the freedom loving, government hatin&#039; jesus worshipping AlfredENewman BEGGING FOR HELP from the editors?  Shouldn&#039;t he be espousing how great FREEDOM is to say what you will on the blog?  Of course not.  He&#039;s a statist of the most dangerous type:  Get the government out of his house and into everyone elses to make sure they&#039;re are just like him.

Come out of the closet Alfred.  You live in America.  You will be safe and may finally find your sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, oh why is no one so delighted by the freedom loving, government hatin&#8217; jesus worshipping AlfredENewman BEGGING FOR HELP from the editors?  Shouldn&#8217;t he be espousing how great FREEDOM is to say what you will on the blog?  Of course not.  He&#8217;s a statist of the most dangerous type:  Get the government out of his house and into everyone elses to make sure they&#8217;re are just like him.</p>
<p>Come out of the closet Alfred.  You live in America.  You will be safe and may finally find your sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred1</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-6/#comment-1597610</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#116 Not at all, its consistent you all took the less likely interpretation as correct, with your adverse reaction to anything I say.

I like the debate however, wouldn&#039;t have it any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#116 Not at all, its consistent you all took the less likely interpretation as correct, with your adverse reaction to anything I say.</p>
<p>I like the debate however, wouldn&#8217;t have it any other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/03/donating-a-kidney-creates-preexisting-condition-meaning-no-more-insurance-coverage/comment-page-6/#comment-1597605</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#112: It would appear you are the only one who took it that way, which says something about you, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#112: It would appear you are the only one who took it that way, which says something about you, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: bobbo, words have a context</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbo, words have a context</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banned???????  Should be very rare.  I remain flabbergasted at how many people get sucked in by &quot;the boys&quot; and take it as a matter of pride that they pointedly do not respond to my own name calling conclusions.

Troll:  someone who creates responses by making inflammatory comments for the purpose of generating conflict???  As much as the still birth philosophy of the boys disgusts me, I think they are &quot;true believers&quot; and not trolls.  Maybe the effect of both is somewhat the same:  someone that cannot be engaged===BUT, for me atleast, &quot;learning&quot; that LIEBERTARIANS and bibble thumpers cannot be reasoned with is valuable to experience?  Where else do you get it???

I like the UNCENSORED part of DU.  It might take a bit more work/discretion/thought==for that I compliment the staff at DU.  Really a terrific set of postings the last few days.  Been too busy to respond in more depth.  I look forward to more causual time wherein the boys can continue to ignore me.  Hah, hah.

Back On Topic==on most issues, I am happy to let the majority rule, even when they are wrong==what else better implements living in a free society except the general concept of majority rule?  To that end, I take comfort that some day single payer will come because the majority of Americans have been wanting it for a few years now.  As our system continues to implode, that majority will only grow, grow to a size that will defeat the bumper sticker self destructing philosophies of Loser and Alfie.  I submit to the system in recognition the alternatives express themselves to the degree they pragmatically exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banned???????  Should be very rare.  I remain flabbergasted at how many people get sucked in by &#8220;the boys&#8221; and take it as a matter of pride that they pointedly do not respond to my own name calling conclusions.</p>
<p>Troll:  someone who creates responses by making inflammatory comments for the purpose of generating conflict???  As much as the still birth philosophy of the boys disgusts me, I think they are &#8220;true believers&#8221; and not trolls.  Maybe the effect of both is somewhat the same:  someone that cannot be engaged===BUT, for me atleast, &#8220;learning&#8221; that LIEBERTARIANS and bibble thumpers cannot be reasoned with is valuable to experience?  Where else do you get it???</p>
<p>I like the UNCENSORED part of DU.  It might take a bit more work/discretion/thought==for that I compliment the staff at DU.  Really a terrific set of postings the last few days.  Been too busy to respond in more depth.  I look forward to more causual time wherein the boys can continue to ignore me.  Hah, hah.</p>
<p>Back On Topic==on most issues, I am happy to let the majority rule, even when they are wrong==what else better implements living in a free society except the general concept of majority rule?  To that end, I take comfort that some day single payer will come because the majority of Americans have been wanting it for a few years now.  As our system continues to implode, that majority will only grow, grow to a size that will defeat the bumper sticker self destructing philosophies of Loser and Alfie.  I submit to the system in recognition the alternatives express themselves to the degree they pragmatically exist.</p>
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