Comments on: How to use a giant loophole on the Health Care Bill to get the health care you want for cheap and don’t pay any additional taxes http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:27:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kasteer http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-2/#comment-1653899 Kasteer Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:06:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1653899 Link to SS 1402 (g)(1): http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001402----000-.html Link to SS 1402 (g)(1): http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001402—-000-.html

]]> By: Cherman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-2/#comment-1601428 Cherman Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:52:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1601428 #12, link is not working. #12, link is not working.

]]> By: revdjenk http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-2/#comment-1600945 revdjenk Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:31:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1600945 For all those who think government-run health care is so terrible, corporate & insurance-run health care has a lot of problems, too. My dad retired with a promise of continued health coverage equal to that which he had while he was working. Well, in less than ten years he lost dental, vision coverage and his 20% co-pay became 80%. For all those who think government-run health care is so terrible, corporate & insurance-run health care has a lot of problems, too. My dad retired with a promise of continued health coverage equal to that which he had while he was working. Well, in less than ten years he lost dental, vision coverage and his 20% co-pay became 80%.

]]> By: Mojo Yugen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-2/#comment-1600368 Mojo Yugen Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:38:50 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1600368 So if my imaginary friend in the sky says government health care is bad, I can get out of it. If my individual logic and reason says it's a bad thing, I'm screwed. Does that sum it up? So if my imaginary friend in the sky says government health care is bad, I can get out of it.

If my individual logic and reason says it’s a bad thing, I’m screwed.

Does that sum it up?

]]> By: Guyver http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-2/#comment-1600091 Guyver Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:24:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1600091 20, The point was that mandatory health care insurance is not analogous to auto insurance. The premise for each differs. If you want to make paying into government-run health care mandatory with punishment as high as jail time, then fine do so. But don't compare that to auto insurance as though the logic has the same basis. Be that as it may, there is no right to Health Care under the Constitution. Am I saying you can't have it or get it? Nope. Just that the Federal Government isn't supposed to have that power to give. http://tinyurl.com/yz3dxmr 20, The point was that mandatory health care insurance is not analogous to auto insurance. The premise for each differs.

If you want to make paying into government-run health care mandatory with punishment as high as jail time, then fine do so. But don’t compare that to auto insurance as though the logic has the same basis.

Be that as it may, there is no right to Health Care under the Constitution. Am I saying you can’t have it or get it? Nope. Just that the Federal Government isn’t supposed to have that power to give.

http://tinyurl.com/yz3dxmr

]]> By: gal416 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1600075 gal416 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:25:54 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1600075 #18 While it is true a person can decide not to drive an automobile, they can even decide not to get pregnant, but I'm still waiting for the day they can opt out of getting cancer, heart disease, or just getting old. #18
While it is true a person can decide not to drive an automobile, they can even decide not to get pregnant, but I’m still waiting for the day they can opt out of getting cancer, heart disease, or just getting old.

]]> By: a mormon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1600053 a mormon Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:46:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1600053 "You can use the same method to get out of paying Social Security or Medicare Taxes. The sect or religious group must have a documented objection to insurance, and must have been in existence since 1950." Mormon here ... sorry, we would not qualify. We do not have any objection to insurance. In fact, our church tells us to have proper insurance and to support the government. We also have programs to support those in need, especially members. Any Mormon that leaches off the system is not a true Mormon. “You can use the same method to get out of paying Social Security or Medicare Taxes.
The sect or religious group must have a documented objection to insurance, and must have been in existence since 1950.”

Mormon here … sorry, we would not qualify. We do not have any objection to insurance. In fact, our church tells us to have proper insurance and to support the government. We also have programs to support those in need, especially members.

Any Mormon that leaches off the system is not a true Mormon.

]]> By: Guyver http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1600043 Guyver Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:35:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1600043 14, The general welfare clause in the Constitution has been reinterpreted today with a liberal spin to justify government-run health care. There is nothing in the Constitution which promises health care nor is it an entitlement to be provided for by government. This is an enumerated powers issue. The analogy to auto insurance the President gave the other day to justify sending someone to prison for refusing to pay into government-run health care is stupid for two reasons. 1. If you don't drive an automobile you're not required to get auto insurance. 2. Auto insurance is to protect other drivers from yourself. 14, The general welfare clause in the Constitution has been reinterpreted today with a liberal spin to justify government-run health care. There is nothing in the Constitution which promises health care nor is it an entitlement to be provided for by government. This is an enumerated powers issue.

The analogy to auto insurance the President gave the other day to justify sending someone to prison for refusing to pay into government-run health care is stupid for two reasons.

1. If you don’t drive an automobile you’re not required to get auto insurance.

2. Auto insurance is to protect other drivers from yourself.

]]> By: LibertyLover http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599971 LibertyLover Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:10:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599971 #14, Keep screaming it. Eventually people will start to believe you. #14, Keep screaming it. Eventually people will start to believe you.

]]> By: Ah_Yea http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599859 Ah_Yea Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:21:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599859 Here is another name for my religion: S C I E N T O L O G Y Here is another name for my religion:
S C I E N T O L O G Y

]]> By: AdmFubar http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599857 AdmFubar Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:14:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599857 so the us has recognized religious sect s??? this needs to be stopped.. so the us has recognized religious sect s??? this needs to be stopped..

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599853 Greg Allen Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:03:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599853 Before the tea-baggers start screaming about this.. remember that THEY support a similar loop hole. 1) Don't buy healtcare, claiming you are a rugged individualist who never gets sick, anyway. 2) On the inevitable day you get sick, go to the emergency room, rack up huge debts. 3) Declare bankruptcy and stiff the public for your bills. This is the current conservative health care "loop hole" that the tea baggers think is so fantastic that they are threatening armed revolt if we dare change it. Before the tea-baggers start screaming about this.. remember that THEY support a similar loop hole.

1) Don’t buy healtcare, claiming you are a rugged individualist who never gets sick, anyway.

2) On the inevitable day you get sick, go to the emergency room, rack up huge debts.

3) Declare bankruptcy and stiff the public for your bills.

This is the current conservative health care “loop hole” that the tea baggers think is so fantastic that they are threatening armed revolt if we dare change it.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599851 Greg Allen Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:58:26 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599851 This is another reason why we need single payer basic health care, paid for from the general fund. This is another reason why we need single payer basic health care, paid for from the general fund.

]]> By: nomadwolf http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599837 nomadwolf Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:59:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599837 Section 1402(g)(1) is at <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001402----000-.html#g_1" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001402----000-.html#g_1</a>. You can use the same method to get out of paying Social Security or Medicare Taxes. The sect or religious group must have a documented objection to insurance, and must have been in existence since 1950. Not much of a loophole, I say. Section 1402(g)(1) is at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00001402—-000-.html#g_1.

You can use the same method to get out of paying Social Security or Medicare Taxes.
The sect or religious group must have a documented objection to insurance, and must have been in existence since 1950.

Not much of a loophole, I say.

]]> By: Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/10/how-to-use-the-giant-loophole-on-health-care-bill-to-get-the-best-health-care-cheap-and-dont-pay-any-additional-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-1599823 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:11:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=62562#comment-1599823 Hey God Dammit! I'm part of a religious sect and I deserve these kind of breaks. You all don't expect me to put up with this bogus bullshit for nothing, do you? Ok now - let's all sing some songs, pray, donate money and shit. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm not Mother fucking Theresa. /hitting that sacramental wine tonight Hey God Dammit! I’m part of a religious sect and I deserve these kind of breaks. You all don’t expect me to put up with this bogus bullshit for nothing, do you?

Ok now – let’s all sing some songs, pray, donate money and shit. Yeah, yeah, I know, I’m not Mother fucking Theresa.

/hitting that sacramental wine tonight

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