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		<title>By: honeyman</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/15/aboriginal-boy-faces-court-over-stolen-chocolate-frog/comment-page-2/#comment-1601802</link>
		<dc:creator>honeyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29 amodedoma

Yeah this is true. I found the same thing on my few visits to Perth. Out east, especially Tasmania and Victoria, Aborigine populations were pretty much wiped out and you see very few. Its easy for city folk (like myself) to disregard how strained relations are in other parts of Australia. As you observed, the indigenous folks are usually the most derided.

I do get irked when I hear comments like &#039;there&#039;s NO racism in Australia&#039;, normally followed by &#039;they probably deserved what they got&#039;. There clearly is racism, but its often more complex than simple minded bigotry (although that exists too).

When Europeans landed on the continent, the gulf between black and white cultures was so great that it was akin to aliens landing flying saucers in Central Park, much more so than even the Spanish landing in the Americas. The native folk had no real developed material culture and the idea of working &#039;jobs&#039; was completely alien to them.

The gulf in cultures still exists today in many parts of the continent, and the so called &#039;white guilt&#039; industry has contributed welfare and subsidies to Aborigines but little understanding or acceptance. Its not a problem you can just fling money at. Aboriginal people also have to want to invest in their own futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29 amodedoma</p>
<p>Yeah this is true. I found the same thing on my few visits to Perth. Out east, especially Tasmania and Victoria, Aborigine populations were pretty much wiped out and you see very few. Its easy for city folk (like myself) to disregard how strained relations are in other parts of Australia. As you observed, the indigenous folks are usually the most derided.</p>
<p>I do get irked when I hear comments like &#8216;there&#8217;s NO racism in Australia&#8217;, normally followed by &#8216;they probably deserved what they got&#8217;. There clearly is racism, but its often more complex than simple minded bigotry (although that exists too).</p>
<p>When Europeans landed on the continent, the gulf between black and white cultures was so great that it was akin to aliens landing flying saucers in Central Park, much more so than even the Spanish landing in the Americas. The native folk had no real developed material culture and the idea of working &#8216;jobs&#8217; was completely alien to them.</p>
<p>The gulf in cultures still exists today in many parts of the continent, and the so called &#8216;white guilt&#8217; industry has contributed welfare and subsidies to Aborigines but little understanding or acceptance. Its not a problem you can just fling money at. Aboriginal people also have to want to invest in their own futures.</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my travels I&#039;d been to Perth twice.  The people I met there made genuinely racist commentary, &#039;Boong&#039;s aren&#039;t civilized - if you build them a house they&#039;ll burn it down building a fire instead of using the thermostat&#039; - that kind of thing.  But I hadn&#039;t heard racist commentary against anyone but the aboriginals.  I&#039;d even say afro-americans seemed to have quite an attraction on the girls we met in the discos.   I guess racism requires close contact in order to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my travels I&#8217;d been to Perth twice.  The people I met there made genuinely racist commentary, &#8216;Boong&#8217;s aren&#8217;t civilized &#8211; if you build them a house they&#8217;ll burn it down building a fire instead of using the thermostat&#8217; &#8211; that kind of thing.  But I hadn&#8217;t heard racist commentary against anyone but the aboriginals.  I&#8217;d even say afro-americans seemed to have quite an attraction on the girls we met in the discos.   I guess racism requires close contact in order to work.</p>
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		<title>By: iPhoneBen</title>
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		<dc:creator>iPhoneBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My uncle has lived in a small town called Mareeba in QLD most of his life.
The aboriginal children see being charged with a crime as a badge of honour, why? Because the juvi court is a light plane trip away, and this is the easiest way to get to ride in a plane, it&#039;s not about commiting a crime, it&#039;s about the plane trip, if you bash someone you get free meals and accomodation for a few weeks, would happen more, but no booze in jail.

I have tried very hard to not be racist over the years, but when a friend in his early 20&#039;s gets put into a coma for three weeks by a group (over 13) of 12 year olds because he &amp; his girlfriend were on &quot;their&quot; bridge (the north Ipswich bridge this is) she probably would have been killed if he didn&#039;t hold them off... I have MANY more stories like this about growing up with Aboriginals but my thumb is sore from iPhone typing.  

I am very glad to now live in Melb, which seems to be nearly the opposite, 3yrs here and I&#039;ve only been hit/harrassed by white folk!!  Would even go so far as saying that Syd/Melbournites have no idea what the rest of Oz is like....

Oh, and f-u Darly Summers, get you and you shit show back in the box they stored you in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My uncle has lived in a small town called Mareeba in QLD most of his life.<br />
The aboriginal children see being charged with a crime as a badge of honour, why? Because the juvi court is a light plane trip away, and this is the easiest way to get to ride in a plane, it&#8217;s not about commiting a crime, it&#8217;s about the plane trip, if you bash someone you get free meals and accomodation for a few weeks, would happen more, but no booze in jail.</p>
<p>I have tried very hard to not be racist over the years, but when a friend in his early 20&#8242;s gets put into a coma for three weeks by a group (over 13) of 12 year olds because he &amp; his girlfriend were on &#8220;their&#8221; bridge (the north Ipswich bridge this is) she probably would have been killed if he didn&#8217;t hold them off&#8230; I have MANY more stories like this about growing up with Aboriginals but my thumb is sore from iPhone typing.  </p>
<p>I am very glad to now live in Melb, which seems to be nearly the opposite, 3yrs here and I&#8217;ve only been hit/harrassed by white folk!!  Would even go so far as saying that Syd/Melbournites have no idea what the rest of Oz is like&#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh, and f-u Darly Summers, get you and you shit show back in the box they stored you in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nobodyspecial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobodyspecial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not racist - this can be plainly seen by the 100% of white Austrlian children that are currently in prison awaiting trial for listening to a song on a friend&#039;s iPod that had been illegally copied from a CD they owned.

Anyway if they don&#039;t like the rules they can go and discover their own country and colonise it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not racist &#8211; this can be plainly seen by the 100% of white Austrlian children that are currently in prison awaiting trial for listening to a song on a friend&#8217;s iPod that had been illegally copied from a CD they owned.</p>
<p>Anyway if they don&#8217;t like the rules they can go and discover their own country and colonise it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmeyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmeyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racism is thinking a child&#039;s race is why he is being charged.

And racism is thinking a child&#039;s race isn&#039;t why he is being charged.

The good news:  in 200 years there will be no aborigines because the bloodline will be so diluted that it doesn&#039;t matter.

Long story short:  in the future justice will have been served in the sense the issue will no longer exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism is thinking a child&#8217;s race is why he is being charged.</p>
<p>And racism is thinking a child&#8217;s race isn&#8217;t why he is being charged.</p>
<p>The good news:  in 200 years there will be no aborigines because the bloodline will be so diluted that it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>Long story short:  in the future justice will have been served in the sense the issue will no longer exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Riscy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riscy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story was reported in the Northern Territory news without any reference to the race of the child (nor should they).

The first thing I said was I bet the kid is a little shit and that is why he was being charged. Does that make me a racist? What has race got to do with any of this story. If a white child was charged does it change how they should be treated.

I&#039;ll give you a hint the answer should be no!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story was reported in the Northern Territory news without any reference to the race of the child (nor should they).</p>
<p>The first thing I said was I bet the kid is a little shit and that is why he was being charged. Does that make me a racist? What has race got to do with any of this story. If a white child was charged does it change how they should be treated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you a hint the answer should be no!</p>
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		<title>By: saarahali</title>
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		<dc:creator>saarahali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,
Are you crazy? what is your education level?
You really are stunted mentally, one, when children have constant contact with the criminal justice system they are more likely to continue offending, so it is not a deterant. If you don&#039;t believe me, look it up, although you might find that hard considering your IQ level. Secondly, it is of no significance that the police had spoken to the child on previous occasions, as the child has no prior convictions, it is safe to assume the police did not have enough evidence to obtain an arrest and subsequent conviction. Lastly, George, do you pay the correct ammount of tax each year, have you been charged with speeding or do you try the fruit in woolworths before buying?. I&#039;m going to assume the answer are no, yes,yes, and by your reasoning, if someone should be thrown in jail for recieving a stolen 70 cent freddo ( cost the supermarket 15 cents) than you should be put in jail for the rest of your natural life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,<br />
Are you crazy? what is your education level?<br />
You really are stunted mentally, one, when children have constant contact with the criminal justice system they are more likely to continue offending, so it is not a deterant. If you don&#8217;t believe me, look it up, although you might find that hard considering your IQ level. Secondly, it is of no significance that the police had spoken to the child on previous occasions, as the child has no prior convictions, it is safe to assume the police did not have enough evidence to obtain an arrest and subsequent conviction. Lastly, George, do you pay the correct ammount of tax each year, have you been charged with speeding or do you try the fruit in woolworths before buying?. I&#8217;m going to assume the answer are no, yes,yes, and by your reasoning, if someone should be thrown in jail for recieving a stolen 70 cent freddo ( cost the supermarket 15 cents) than you should be put in jail for the rest of your natural life.</p>
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		<title>By: LDA</title>
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		<dc:creator>LDA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Receiving stolen goods. Give me a fucking break.

Some Australians (i.e. humans) are racist, some are not, it is the same as everywhere else and it has a biological, evolutionary foundation (protect the tribe).

Rich people are let off by the criminal system more often than poor people, Aboriginals are generally in the lower(est) economic brackets and are also sometimes treated worse because they are Aboriginal but also because they are poor (which is sometimes due to racism).

The recent &quot;racist&quot; attacks in Australia were perpetrated by non-white Australians against Indian foreign-students. Indians discriminate against &quot;lower&quot; casts in India and have nukes pointed at Pakistan, Tutsis vs. Hutus in Rwanda,  etc. endlessly. Racism is a tribal problem not an Australian problem but it is a real problem. 

Australia is a fairly tolerant and egalitarian society, one of the best in my &#039;white&#039; Irish, Spanish, Scottish, Swiss, small town then big city,  Australian (apparently originally African like everyone else) opinion, but we can always do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Receiving stolen goods. Give me a fucking break.</p>
<p>Some Australians (i.e. humans) are racist, some are not, it is the same as everywhere else and it has a biological, evolutionary foundation (protect the tribe).</p>
<p>Rich people are let off by the criminal system more often than poor people, Aboriginals are generally in the lower(est) economic brackets and are also sometimes treated worse because they are Aboriginal but also because they are poor (which is sometimes due to racism).</p>
<p>The recent &#8220;racist&#8221; attacks in Australia were perpetrated by non-white Australians against Indian foreign-students. Indians discriminate against &#8220;lower&#8221; casts in India and have nukes pointed at Pakistan, Tutsis vs. Hutus in Rwanda,  etc. endlessly. Racism is a tribal problem not an Australian problem but it is a real problem. </p>
<p>Australia is a fairly tolerant and egalitarian society, one of the best in my &#8216;white&#8217; Irish, Spanish, Scottish, Swiss, small town then big city,  Australian (apparently originally African like everyone else) opinion, but we can always do better.</p>
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		<title>By: noname</title>
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		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>children’s court sounds innocuous enough (as designed to by the state) except when you hear &quot;police had apprehended him about 8am on a school day and taken him into custody. The boy was then imprisoned for several hours in the holding cell at the police station.&quot;

And all for receiving candy, knowingly stolen or not!!!

I wonder how full prisons are going to be with this type of hyper prosecution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>children’s court sounds innocuous enough (as designed to by the state) except when you hear &#8220;police had apprehended him about 8am on a school day and taken him into custody. The boy was then imprisoned for several hours in the holding cell at the police station.&#8221;</p>
<p>And all for receiving candy, knowingly stolen or not!!!</p>
<p>I wonder how full prisons are going to be with this type of hyper prosecution?</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santa Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what happens if we dont control illegal immigration. Australia didnt stop these aborgines from coming in (sic?? eggplant?? what?) and now they are committing crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what happens if we dont control illegal immigration. Australia didnt stop these aborgines from coming in (sic?? eggplant?? what?) and now they are committing crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha.. so true! was it vic police who shot that kid to death because he had a knife on him???

W.A cops will also get so frustrated by their own crappy detective work that they will just frame you by planting evidence in your home.. then shoot you for resisting arrest!  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha.. so true! was it vic police who shot that kid to death because he had a knife on him???</p>
<p>W.A cops will also get so frustrated by their own crappy detective work that they will just frame you by planting evidence in your home.. then shoot you for resisting arrest!  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: honeyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>honeyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 Peter

The Vic police are much nicer. They just shoot you and then cover up rather than arresting and humiliating you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 Peter</p>
<p>The Vic police are much nicer. They just shoot you and then cover up rather than arresting and humiliating you <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey i live in melbourne now as well! 

I believe that this was a case of racism as well, yet im sure that these cops get so sick of kids dodging them and vandalising stuff that they just made an example out of him... poor kid!

I just get sick of other people saying that all australians are racist assholes who hate aboriginals and treat them badly(especially when americans get on the bandwagon (native indians anyone?))...  Its a sad state of affairs and my heart goes out to this kid and many others who for some reason cant break the mould and who are made victims by racist australians... black or white!

By the way W.A cops are absolute bloody cowboys! The way they go about  enforcing the law is brutal! No surprise this kid was so roughly treated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey i live in melbourne now as well! </p>
<p>I believe that this was a case of racism as well, yet im sure that these cops get so sick of kids dodging them and vandalising stuff that they just made an example out of him&#8230; poor kid!</p>
<p>I just get sick of other people saying that all australians are racist assholes who hate aboriginals and treat them badly(especially when americans get on the bandwagon (native indians anyone?))&#8230;  Its a sad state of affairs and my heart goes out to this kid and many others who for some reason cant break the mould and who are made victims by racist australians&#8230; black or white!</p>
<p>By the way W.A cops are absolute bloody cowboys! The way they go about  enforcing the law is brutal! No surprise this kid was so roughly treated!</p>
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		<title>By: honeyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>honeyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 Peter

Yep I&#039;m a Melbournian and I agree with most of what you say. It very easy to sit back and judge from a big city when we really have no idea what&#039;s happening in the bush, and not all accusations directed at aboriginal people are racist. But I&#039;m not afraid to call out racism when I see it and hear it, and I strongly suspect this is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Peter</p>
<p>Yep I&#8217;m a Melbournian and I agree with most of what you say. It very easy to sit back and judge from a big city when we really have no idea what&#8217;s happening in the bush, and not all accusations directed at aboriginal people are racist. But I&#8217;m not afraid to call out racism when I see it and hear it, and I strongly suspect this is.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 honeyman

first of all... you live in australia right? and in a city right?

most people in the city dont have a prejudice against aboriginal people.. compared to those in rural areas where they need to deal with the lower ends of aboriginal society..

What i am saying is that the government is not prejudice to aboriginals in fact they are very well looked after... except that alot in rural areas will spend there money on booze when they get it... i have witnessed this my whole life living in rural areas!

Maybe it is the dole system which is to blame.. as there are whites who do the same thing! Its a tough problem but racism is not as much of the problem as some people may want to think... Putting the racism badge on everything is a copout to aboriginals and white australians... there are bigger issues to deal with</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 honeyman</p>
<p>first of all&#8230; you live in australia right? and in a city right?</p>
<p>most people in the city dont have a prejudice against aboriginal people.. compared to those in rural areas where they need to deal with the lower ends of aboriginal society..</p>
<p>What i am saying is that the government is not prejudice to aboriginals in fact they are very well looked after&#8230; except that alot in rural areas will spend there money on booze when they get it&#8230; i have witnessed this my whole life living in rural areas!</p>
<p>Maybe it is the dole system which is to blame.. as there are whites who do the same thing! Its a tough problem but racism is not as much of the problem as some people may want to think&#8230; Putting the racism badge on everything is a copout to aboriginals and white australians&#8230; there are bigger issues to deal with</p>
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