Comments on: Boy Scouts banned from carrying knives http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:38:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mr. Hankey http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-2/#comment-1602589 Mr. Hankey Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:50:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1602589 Christ on a cracker! Scouts are supposed to have a higher place in society because they live by codes of honor. Has anyone ever seen a news clipping about a stabbing from a boyscout? Does society need to fear packs of jack-knife wielding boy scouts? I could imagine the post apocalyptic world where masses of little boys come in like pirana leaving many victims. Oh wait, that's not my imagination, that's fox news. Christ on a cracker!

Scouts are supposed to have a higher place in society because they live by codes of honor. Has anyone ever seen a news clipping about a stabbing from a boyscout?
Does society need to fear packs of jack-knife wielding boy scouts?
I could imagine the post apocalyptic world where masses of little boys come in like pirana leaving many victims. Oh wait, that’s not my imagination, that’s fox news.

]]> By: Jabba http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-2/#comment-1602154 Jabba Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:12:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1602154 Assuming the ban works, as soon as they run out of stabbing knifes (in Britain), they are going to simply use screwdrivers. Then those will get banned. Then they are going to use nails fitted with handles. Then those (the nails) are going to get banned. Then they are going to use metal shards and glass shards with sharp edges and points. Then people are going to have to be stripped search for those and a ban on fabrication of glass and metal will be imposed all over Britain. I know all these because I have seen it happening in prison shops before. Wait, we’re speaking about free individuals now. Or maybe not. Assuming the ban works, as soon as they run out of stabbing knifes (in Britain), they are going to simply use screwdrivers. Then those will get banned. Then they are going to use nails fitted with handles. Then those (the nails) are going to get banned. Then they are going to use metal shards and glass shards with sharp edges and points. Then people are going to have to be stripped search for those and a ban on fabrication of glass and metal will be imposed all over Britain.

I know all these because I have seen it happening in prison shops before. Wait, we’re speaking about free individuals now. Or maybe not.

]]> By: Old Scout http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-2/#comment-1601954 Old Scout Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:35:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601954 I am astounded to discover the recklessness of my Grandmother in giving her 10-yr old Cub Scout Grandson such a device. For some strange reason, she trusted me. I am astounded to discover the recklessness of my Grandmother in giving her 10-yr old Cub Scout Grandson such a device.

For some strange reason, she trusted me.

]]> By: Uncle Patso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-2/#comment-1601921 Uncle Patso Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:46:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601921 What will they ban next? Lightsabers, that's what! What will they ban next? Lightsabers, that’s what!

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-2/#comment-1601886 deowll Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:18:00 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601886 So when do the Brits get around to requiring that everybody wear handcuffs outside their residences? They've done about everything else. So when do the Brits get around to requiring that everybody wear handcuffs outside their residences? They’ve done about everything else.

]]> By: amodedoma http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601778 amodedoma Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:25:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601778 When I was a 'scout I carried that same knife in the photo everywhere I went. In fact I met this kid at a sled dragging competition back in the 70's, who'd actually saved a woman's life doing an emergency tracheotomy on a woman whose car had crashed in front of his house. Later I participated in a volunteer ambulance corps. where I used my trusty scout knife to cut safety belts and such. Having a few tools on you at all times is always a good idea, and though my scout knife is long gone, I carry Make mag's 'warranty voider' everywhere I go - except when I fly of course. When I was a ‘scout I carried that same knife in the photo everywhere I went. In fact I met this kid at a sled dragging competition back in the 70′s, who’d actually saved a woman’s life doing an emergency tracheotomy on a woman whose car had crashed in front of his house. Later I participated in a volunteer ambulance corps. where I used my trusty scout knife to cut safety belts and such. Having a few tools on you at all times is always a good idea, and though my scout knife is long gone, I carry Make mag’s ‘warranty voider’ everywhere I go – except when I fly of course.

]]> By: Faxon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601756 Faxon Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:48:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601756 The assholes where I work told me I can not possess pepper spray there, so if I have to take public transit at midnight to get home, it's tough shit. So instead, I carry a nice, razor sharp, nasty looking, super quick deploying, 4 1/2" blade length, tactical S&W knife, which is legal. Screw them. Instead of non lethal pepper spray, I now have this with me at work. I certainly am not going to tell them I have it, because it is none of their business. It's a pocket knife, just like the banned Boy Scout knife. This world is going to hell faster than I can track. The assholes where I work told me I can not possess pepper spray there, so if I have to take public transit at midnight to get home, it’s tough shit.
So instead, I carry a nice, razor sharp, nasty looking, super quick deploying, 4 1/2″ blade length, tactical S&W knife, which is legal.
Screw them. Instead of non lethal pepper spray, I now have this with me at work.
I certainly am not going to tell them I have it, because it is none of their business.
It’s a pocket knife, just like the banned Boy Scout knife.
This world is going to hell faster than I can track.

]]> By: Faxon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601751 Faxon Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:40:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601751 Gee Whiz. How do the pansy-ass Brits cut their god damn bangers? No sharp implements in the kitchen, dip shits. Gee Whiz. How do the pansy-ass Brits cut their god damn bangers?
No sharp implements in the kitchen, dip shits.

]]> By: Stormadvisor http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601733 Stormadvisor Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:47:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601733 The title should read "UK Scouts Banned From Carrying Knives" since they have a joint scouting program unlike the US and a few other countries. The title should read “UK Scouts Banned From Carrying Knives” since they have a joint scouting program unlike the US and a few other countries.

]]> By: Matt http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601731 Matt Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:43:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601731 OK, David, lets look at it. From the UK Scouting Magazine article. • Knives should be carried to and from meetings by an adult. - Why? I understand that for the younger scouts. After passing the qualifications why is this? Doesn't the UK have a way to reprimand those who break the rules? • Knives should be stowed in the middle of a bag/rucksack when transporting. - I transport mine everywhere I go in my pocket. It can be used at anytime from that location and in the event of an emergency I can get it and open it in 1 hand. Not trying to find it in the middle of a bag or ruck. • Knives are tools and should be treated as such: use the appropriate tool for the job (don’t use a large fixed blade for carving or a penknife for clearing brush). - No Argument • Knives should be stored away until there is a need for them to be used. - No argument • Campsites are considered public places (when used for a camp) and so knives are not to be carried. - The entire outdoors is a public place. When would they carry it? - BSA Eagle Scout & District Commissioner OK, David, lets look at it.

From the UK Scouting Magazine article.

• Knives should be carried to and
from meetings by an adult. – Why? I understand that for the younger scouts. After passing the qualifications why is this? Doesn’t the UK have a way to reprimand those who break the rules?

• Knives should be stowed in the
middle of a bag/rucksack when transporting. – I transport mine everywhere I go in my pocket. It can be used at anytime from that location and in the event of an emergency I can get it and open it in 1 hand. Not trying to find it in the middle of a bag or ruck.

• Knives are tools and should be
treated as such: use the appropriate
tool for the job (don’t use a large fixed blade for carving or a penknife for clearing brush). – No Argument

• Knives should be stored away until there is a need for them to be used. – No argument

• Campsites are considered public places (when used for a camp) and so knives are not to be carried. – The entire outdoors is a public place. When would they carry it?

– BSA Eagle Scout & District Commissioner

]]> By: meetsy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601723 meetsy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:37:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601723 "The Scout Association does not condone young people carrying knifes on their person as a matter of course, unless there is a specific need for one. " Scouts.org.uk Doesn't this line mute the rest of the whole statement. They encourage, and allow, and are not banning....but, meanwhile, does not condone. So much for "always prepared". Scouting was to prepare you for life, not for "under adult supervision" David, I think you only read the headline..so much for doing your research. “The Scout Association does not condone young people carrying knifes on their person as a matter of course, unless there is a specific need for one. ” Scouts.org.uk

Doesn’t this line mute the rest of the whole statement. They encourage, and allow, and are not banning….but, meanwhile, does not condone.

So much for “always prepared”. Scouting was to prepare you for life, not for “under adult supervision”

David, I think you only read the headline..so much for doing your research.

]]> By: david http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601721 david Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:27:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601721 Heaven forbid that you actually checked the facts!!! http://scouts.org.uk/news/225/scouting-refutes-knife-ban-claims Heaven forbid that you actually checked the facts!!!

http://scouts.org.uk/news/225/scouting-refutes-knife-ban-claims

]]> By: Quinn http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601720 Quinn Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:26:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601720 Don't you want weapons out of gang's hands. That is all the Boy Scouts are is a bunch of hoodlums. What are the defining characteristics of a gang: group that dresses alike, hand signs, insignias, weapons. I am glad they took the weapons out of their dangerous hands. Don’t you want weapons out of gang’s hands. That is all the Boy Scouts are is a bunch of hoodlums. What are the defining characteristics of a gang: group that dresses alike, hand signs, insignias, weapons. I am glad they took the weapons out of their dangerous hands.

]]> By: Canine http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601713 Canine Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:15:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601713 Sir Baden Powell is rolling around in his grave right now. In the woods with hatchets, knives, and matches teaches a boy more than a lifetime of traditional schooling. They will be haunted by 3 spirits, the first Sir Baden Powell of Scouting's past, the second spirit of Scouting present. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44814 the third spirit of Scouting future. Temple of the Jedi Order http://templeofthejediorder.org/ Sir Baden Powell is rolling around in his grave right now. In the woods with hatchets, knives, and matches teaches a boy more than a lifetime of traditional schooling. They will be haunted by 3 spirits, the first Sir Baden Powell of Scouting’s past, the second spirit of Scouting present.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44814
the third spirit of Scouting future.
Temple of the Jedi Order
http://templeofthejediorder.org/

]]> By: PAULTT http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/16/boy-scouts-banned-from-carrying-knives/comment-page-1/#comment-1601700 PAULTT Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:45:14 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63064#comment-1601700 Right in this country a Boy Scout was suspended from school for having a knife like this - STORED IN A LOCKED BOX INSIDE A LOCKED CAR! Right in this country a Boy Scout was suspended from school for having a knife like this – STORED IN A LOCKED BOX INSIDE A LOCKED CAR!

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