Comments on: 1/4 Of You Think A Coworker Could ‘Go Postal’, Far More If You Work For The Government http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:18:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Glenn E. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1603409 Glenn E. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:45:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1603409 The reason behind these "postals" and worker suicides (see France Telecom), isn't whether guns are available or not. It's the increase adoption of employers of management tactics, design to force workers out before reaching retirement. Thus avoiding the burden of paying them a pension. Also tactics design to demean the workers, so they'll not ask for better working conditions, or form unions. Keep them feeling like worthless cattle or sheep. And they'll work til they drop, expecting little more. The corporate elite are the real sick bastards. Not those who snap cause their jobs have relocated them all over the country, to work a new area. Just like cattle. The reason behind these “postals” and worker suicides (see France Telecom), isn’t whether guns are available or not. It’s the increase adoption of employers of management tactics, design to force workers out before reaching retirement. Thus avoiding the burden of paying them a pension. Also tactics design to demean the workers, so they’ll not ask for better working conditions, or form unions. Keep them feeling like worthless cattle or sheep. And they’ll work til they drop, expecting little more. The corporate elite are the real sick bastards. Not those who snap cause their jobs have relocated them all over the country, to work a new area. Just like cattle.

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602802 Benjamin Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:46:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602802 #25 Greg Allen said, "However, I have to admit that there may have been less dead if they had been allowed to carry their guns at that moment. But this is a unique circumstance" Not unique. There would have been fewer dead at Virginia Tech if students who had concealed carry permits were allowed to conceal carry that day. Many of the students there with concealed carry permits (but no guns with them) were former military and presumably trained to use guns. When I go out, I don't wish to be shot at by a crazy person. Cops cant be everywhere and if they were it would be a police state. If someone with a concealed carry permit were nearby, it would serve to protect me and everyone else around. #25 Greg Allen said, “However, I have to admit that there may have been less dead if they had been allowed to carry their guns at that moment.

But this is a unique circumstance”

Not unique. There would have been fewer dead at Virginia Tech if students who had concealed carry permits were allowed to conceal carry that day. Many of the students there with concealed carry permits (but no guns with them) were former military and presumably trained to use guns.

When I go out, I don’t wish to be shot at by a crazy person. Cops cant be everywhere and if they were it would be a police state. If someone with a concealed carry permit were nearby, it would serve to protect me and everyone else around.

]]> By: Alex http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602800 Alex Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:40:42 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602800 The solution is to have all gun owners have "gun nut" tatooed on their forehead so we all know who the dangerous ones are. The solution is to have all gun owners have “gun nut” tatooed on their forehead so we all know who the dangerous ones are.

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602705 Greg Allen Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:53:38 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602705 >> Ah_Yea said, on November 18th, 2009 at 11:03 am >> Am I the only one who finds it ironic that a madman kills a bunch of people in a “gun free zone” on a military base? You are not alone. I'm a gun control advocate but I'm not sure what to think of this. Who knows more about guns than the military -- and they ban them on their own bases! This tends to affirm my beliefs. However, I have to admit that there may have been less dead if they had been allowed to carry their guns at that moment. But this is a unique circumstance -- all these people were presumably well trained and disciplined in gun use. This is very different than the insane suggestion by gun nuts that colleges, bars, churches and girl scout meetings would be safer if everyone was armed. >> Ah_Yea said, on November 18th, 2009 at 11:03 am
>> Am I the only one who finds it ironic that a madman kills a bunch of people in a “gun free zone” on a military base?

You are not alone.

I’m a gun control advocate but I’m not sure what to think of this.

Who knows more about guns than the military — and they ban them on their own bases! This tends to affirm my beliefs.

However, I have to admit that there may have been less dead if they had been allowed to carry their guns at that moment.

But this is a unique circumstance — all these people were presumably well trained and disciplined in gun use.

This is very different than the insane suggestion by gun nuts that colleges, bars, churches and girl scout meetings would be safer if everyone was armed.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602697 deowll Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:43:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602697 You don't need a gun to kill somebody. I had a cousin that killed seven people with a lighter. He died in prison. You don’t need a gun to kill somebody. I had a cousin that killed seven people with a lighter.

He died in prison.

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602666 ECA Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:27 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602666 NOW, Which would you rather BE.. Wondering if the ASS on the phone was COMING FOR YOU?? OR sitting NEXT to some MANIC/DEPRESSIVE next to you talking to a customer thats been on hold, or BOUNCED 10 times?? AND they still have the WRONG department.. NOW,
Which would you rather BE..
Wondering if the ASS on the phone was COMING FOR YOU??
OR sitting NEXT to some MANIC/DEPRESSIVE next to you talking to a customer thats been on hold, or BOUNCED 10 times?? AND they still have the WRONG department..

]]> By: ECA http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602665 ECA Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:20:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602665 Lets ask something.. Raise you hand if you have EVER done customer service.. RAISE your hand if you have CALLED customer service, and HELD for more then 20 minutes.. I have done the first... AND I went for 2 hours on the second..FOR THEM TO PICK UP THE PHONE. Lets ask something..

Raise you hand if you have EVER done customer service..
RAISE your hand if you have CALLED customer service, and HELD for more then 20 minutes..

I have done the first…
AND I went for 2 hours on the second..FOR THEM TO PICK UP THE PHONE.

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602625 Benjamin Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:18:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602625 Postman, where to begin... Back up your claims about the friendly fire incidence. I bet you $100 every bullet there was from a cop or Hassan. Are you saying that some of the victims were shot by the police who were responding to the situation? If you are, than I go back to my first point: should the cops have done nothing and let Hassan continue to kill people? Postman, where to begin… Back up your claims about the friendly fire incidence. I bet you $100 every bullet there was from a cop or Hassan. Are you saying that some of the victims were shot by the police who were responding to the situation? If you are, than I go back to my first point: should the cops have done nothing and let Hassan continue to kill people?

]]> By: Postman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602611 Postman Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:50:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602611 #19 bing ft hood multiple shooters then suck on it:) #19

bing ft hood multiple shooters

then suck on it:)

]]> By: Ah_Yea http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602609 Ah_Yea Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:48:24 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602609 Ok Postman, back up your claims. Oh wait, you can't! We know you don't have a clue!! Let's see if you can read and apply critical thought... http://tinyurl.com/y9qs9dm http://tinyurl.com/ybusret Ok you crazy radical jihadist liberal! Ok Postman, back up your claims.

Oh wait, you can’t! We know you don’t have a clue!!

Let’s see if you can read and apply critical thought…

http://tinyurl.com/y9qs9dm
http://tinyurl.com/ybusret

Ok you crazy radical jihadist liberal!

]]> By: Postman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602596 Postman Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:21:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602596 Also... Remember they thought shooter was dead? Why would they think that, unless there was a dead guy with a gun? Also… Remember they thought shooter was dead? Why would they think that, unless there was a dead guy with a gun?

]]> By: Postman http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602587 Postman Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:50:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602587 Was not a gun free zone. All early reports said there were multiple shooters. The investigation will reveal most were killed by friendly fire. Which Is also why republicans are desperate to declare it terrorism. So the can invoke state secrets. Was not a gun free zone. All early reports said there were multiple shooters. The investigation will reveal most were killed by friendly fire. Which Is also why republicans are desperate to declare it terrorism. So the can invoke state secrets.

]]> By: Goiter http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602573 Goiter Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:20:44 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602573 When exactly did the phrase "going postal" overtake the more correct phrase "going ballistic"? Aren't they all just plain "nuts"? And should they all be put (back) in a "can"? In any case, I would think that most people would prefer to be shot rather than have their lives taken away by some faceless cold entity like a government, insurance company, or identity thief. Being forced to live in hell seems much more cruel than getting shot in the head. When exactly did the phrase “going postal” overtake the more correct phrase “going ballistic”? Aren’t they all just plain “nuts”? And should they all be put (back) in a “can”?

In any case, I would think that most people would prefer to be shot rather than have their lives taken away by some faceless cold entity like a government, insurance company, or identity thief. Being forced to live in hell seems much more cruel than getting shot in the head.

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602567 Benjamin Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:15:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602567 #13 Gun free zones are self-defense free zones. Expect this to happen more often when entire cities or states become gun free. #13 Gun free zones are self-defense free zones. Expect this to happen more often when entire cities or states become gun free.

]]> By: Ah_Yea http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/14-of-you-think-a-coworker-could-go-postal-far-more-if-you-work-for-the-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1602535 Ah_Yea Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:03:57 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=63206#comment-1602535 boyzindahood, thanks for the correction. boyzindahood, thanks for the correction.

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