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	<title>Comments on: Airport rules changed after Ron Paul aide detained</title>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-4/#comment-1603375</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64, Um, you still haven&#039;t answered the question.

Answer the question and you can be invited to the conversation.

Why would you let other people die in place of your wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64, Um, you still haven&#8217;t answered the question.</p>
<p>Answer the question and you can be invited to the conversation.</p>
<p>Why would you let other people die in place of your wife?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#63, Loser,

&lt;i&gt;I would agree with that . . . as long as&lt;/i&gt;

That is the exact reason Liebertarians are scorned. Liberty is conditional upon your take. News, liberty is not a conditional right!

America didn&#039;t become such a great nation because we have a Constitution. It became great because it was built with government money. Free or extremely cheap land; subsidies for canals, then railroads, and later roads and air travel; subsidizing and encouraging growth in mechanical innovations; investing in education; going to the moon; and many many more areas.  

America is a great nation in spite of your hatred for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#63, Loser,</p>
<p><i>I would agree with that . . . as long as</i></p>
<p>That is the exact reason Liebertarians are scorned. Liberty is conditional upon your take. News, liberty is not a conditional right!</p>
<p>America didn&#8217;t become such a great nation because we have a Constitution. It became great because it was built with government money. Free or extremely cheap land; subsidies for canals, then railroads, and later roads and air travel; subsidizing and encouraging growth in mechanical innovations; investing in education; going to the moon; and many many more areas.  </p>
<p>America is a great nation in spite of your hatred for her.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-4/#comment-1603234</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61, &lt;i&gt;Liberty is what? I say it’s up to the individual.&lt;/i&gt;

I would agree with that . . . as long as that individual accepted personal responsibility for his own actions to go along with it.  Liberty doesn&#039;t survive in a vacuum.

AFA MM and the skeletons, I think you should read the book before passing judgment.  If what you say is true about historical criticism, I could say the same thing here.  It&#039;s just possible he lost his mind later in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61, <i>Liberty is what? I say it’s up to the individual.</i></p>
<p>I would agree with that . . . as long as that individual accepted personal responsibility for his own actions to go along with it.  Liberty doesn&#8217;t survive in a vacuum.</p>
<p>AFA MM and the skeletons, I think you should read the book before passing judgment.  If what you say is true about historical criticism, I could say the same thing here.  It&#8217;s just possible he lost his mind later in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Carney</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-4/#comment-1603158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LL, I know who Malachi Martin is from my days as a cross-country driver.  I would listen to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.  MM was a regular &quot;guest.&quot;  I won&#039;t try to convince you that he is a loon who makes unsubstantiated claims about Jesuit devil worship because I don&#039;t care one bit.  As far as I know, and I was educated in a rigorous atmosphere of intellectual open-mindedness and a respect for honesty, the Jesuit order makes little attempt to hide the skeletons in their closets.  I know few organizations, as an ex-catholic, atheistic skeptic, who so freely admit their &quot;jesuitical&quot; agenda.

You can&#039;t take Liberty hostage, either.  That&#039;s sort of ironic, ya know?

Liberty is what?  I say it&#039;s up to the individual.  Read some Kant, dude.  In fact, read or go on assuming you were born with all the tools you need.

Why do I waste my time though?  It is passingly amusing to snark the stupids.

The Jesuits asked me your whom would you kill question, when I was 14 years old, as an example of logical and moral pitfalls.  Do you know what _they_ told me the answer should be?  They said whatever leaves the world a better place.  Liberty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL, I know who Malachi Martin is from my days as a cross-country driver.  I would listen to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.  MM was a regular &#8220;guest.&#8221;  I won&#8217;t try to convince you that he is a loon who makes unsubstantiated claims about Jesuit devil worship because I don&#8217;t care one bit.  As far as I know, and I was educated in a rigorous atmosphere of intellectual open-mindedness and a respect for honesty, the Jesuit order makes little attempt to hide the skeletons in their closets.  I know few organizations, as an ex-catholic, atheistic skeptic, who so freely admit their &#8220;jesuitical&#8221; agenda.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t take Liberty hostage, either.  That&#8217;s sort of ironic, ya know?</p>
<p>Liberty is what?  I say it&#8217;s up to the individual.  Read some Kant, dude.  In fact, read or go on assuming you were born with all the tools you need.</p>
<p>Why do I waste my time though?  It is passingly amusing to snark the stupids.</p>
<p>The Jesuits asked me your whom would you kill question, when I was 14 years old, as an example of logical and moral pitfalls.  Do you know what _they_ told me the answer should be?  They said whatever leaves the world a better place.  Liberty!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan P Carney</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-4/#comment-1603157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan P Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LL, I know who Malachi Martin is from my days as a cross-country driver.  I would listen to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.  MM was a regular &quot;guest.&quot;  I won&#039;t try to convince you that he is a loon who makes unsubstantiated claims about Jesuit devil worship because I don&#039;t care one bit.  As far as I know, and I was educated in a rigorous atmosphere of intellectual open-mindedness and a respect for honesty, the Jesuit order makes little attempt to hide the skeletons in their closets.  I know few organizations, as an ex-catholic, atheistic skeptic, who so freely admit their &quot;jesuitical&quot; agenda.

You can&#039;t take Liberty hostage, either.  That&#039;s sort of ironic, ya know?

Liberty is what?  I say it&#039;s up to the individual.  Read some Kant, dude.  In fact, read or go on assuming you were born with all the tools you need.

Why do I waste my time though?  It is passingly amusing to snark the stupids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL, I know who Malachi Martin is from my days as a cross-country driver.  I would listen to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.  MM was a regular &#8220;guest.&#8221;  I won&#8217;t try to convince you that he is a loon who makes unsubstantiated claims about Jesuit devil worship because I don&#8217;t care one bit.  As far as I know, and I was educated in a rigorous atmosphere of intellectual open-mindedness and a respect for honesty, the Jesuit order makes little attempt to hide the skeletons in their closets.  I know few organizations, as an ex-catholic, atheistic skeptic, who so freely admit their &#8220;jesuitical&#8221; agenda.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t take Liberty hostage, either.  That&#8217;s sort of ironic, ya know?</p>
<p>Liberty is what?  I say it&#8217;s up to the individual.  Read some Kant, dude.  In fact, read or go on assuming you were born with all the tools you need.</p>
<p>Why do I waste my time though?  It is passingly amusing to snark the stupids.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1603110</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54, &lt;i&gt;Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?

I’m not sure where you’re going with this, and I’m not Fusion… but no, I wouldn’t — if what you mean is take some action that would kill another innocent person, to save my wife’s life.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s a very simple question:

If you could save your wife or a group of strangers, but not both, which would you choose?

Fusion has already stated he would do anything in his power to save his wife.  Now we want to know why.  He challenged me to answer it first, which I did, but then ran off and hid like a good little liberal when it was his turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54, <i>Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?</p>
<p>I’m not sure where you’re going with this, and I’m not Fusion… but no, I wouldn’t — if what you mean is take some action that would kill another innocent person, to save my wife’s life.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very simple question:</p>
<p>If you could save your wife or a group of strangers, but not both, which would you choose?</p>
<p>Fusion has already stated he would do anything in his power to save his wife.  Now we want to know why.  He challenged me to answer it first, which I did, but then ran off and hid like a good little liberal when it was his turn.</p>
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		<title>By: Common_Sense</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1603106</link>
		<dc:creator>Common_Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54 -- Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?

I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re going with this, and I&#039;m not Fusion... but no, I wouldn&#039;t -- if what you mean is take some action that would kill another innocent person, to save my wife&#039;s life. There are 100 different &quot;special circumstances&quot; that could impact such a choice, but I honestly don&#039;t see the point of such a question.

BTW: I own my own home AND defend the ACLU/EFF types even when I don&#039;t like who they&#039;re defending (unless I think they&#039;re stretching, but not usually). I don&#039;t see the contradiction. The ACLU doesn&#039;t advocate socialism through their actions despite what some dusty old quote suggests.

Fusion, I&#039;m not sure how I felt like I was supposed to oppose your views on this blog - must have got off on just the wrong topic when I first ran into you. Lately I&#039;ve skipped writing responses since I&#039;d just be echoing your position... You must be getting smarter. (j/k)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54 &#8212; Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re going with this, and I&#8217;m not Fusion&#8230; but no, I wouldn&#8217;t &#8212; if what you mean is take some action that would kill another innocent person, to save my wife&#8217;s life. There are 100 different &#8220;special circumstances&#8221; that could impact such a choice, but I honestly don&#8217;t see the point of such a question.</p>
<p>BTW: I own my own home AND defend the ACLU/EFF types even when I don&#8217;t like who they&#8217;re defending (unless I think they&#8217;re stretching, but not usually). I don&#8217;t see the contradiction. The ACLU doesn&#8217;t advocate socialism through their actions despite what some dusty old quote suggests.</p>
<p>Fusion, I&#8217;m not sure how I felt like I was supposed to oppose your views on this blog &#8211; must have got off on just the wrong topic when I first ran into you. Lately I&#8217;ve skipped writing responses since I&#8217;d just be echoing your position&#8230; You must be getting smarter. (j/k)</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1603035</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#56, Sigh, you are correct.  I&#039;ve failed so many times trying to get him to man up.  Thanks for recognizing that :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56, Sigh, you are correct.  I&#8217;ve failed so many times trying to get him to man up.  Thanks for recognizing that <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1603034</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55, If you think so, you shouldn&#039;t mind answering the question.  Wishing it doesn&#039;t make it so, no matter how much the Obamessiah says so.

Seriously, I answered it at your request.  Why won&#039;t you be man enough to admit why you married your wife, why you wouldn&#039;t be able to look yourself in the mirror if you let something happen to her through your own inaction?  Why do you take your ball and bat and go home when you lose the game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55, If you think so, you shouldn&#8217;t mind answering the question.  Wishing it doesn&#8217;t make it so, no matter how much the Obamessiah says so.</p>
<p>Seriously, I answered it at your request.  Why won&#8217;t you be man enough to admit why you married your wife, why you wouldn&#8217;t be able to look yourself in the mirror if you let something happen to her through your own inaction?  Why do you take your ball and bat and go home when you lose the game?</p>
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		<title>By: Phydeau</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1602895</link>
		<dc:creator>Phydeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#54 Your fail is bordering on epic, LL.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54 Your fail is bordering on epic, LL.  <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1602894</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like you have been owned again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like you have been owned again.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1602851</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53, &lt;i&gt;So once again because someone isn’t a greedy selfish bastard like Liebertarinas generally are, they must be wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53, <i>So once again because someone isn’t a greedy selfish bastard like Liebertarinas generally are, they must be wrong.</i></p>
<p>Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1602812</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#51, Loser,

&lt;i&gt;And note, I know the ACLU has done some good. But I think if they are going to proclaim something like supporting Liberty, they should support it the whole way, not just part way.&lt;/i&gt;

So once again because someone isn&#039;t a greedy selfish bastard like Liebertarinas generally are, they must be wrong.

The part YOU don&#039;t understand is how society works. WE depend upon society working in order to support the life and lifestyle we have. Maybe your little fantasy world can&#039;t comprehend that but it is true.

The ACLU is for civil rights of all Americans that the government might want to deny. It is not for the destruction of society. The original American Constitution is the basic rules that our society will use in order to have a functioning society where the best is attainable for all. Well, except for slaves, women, those not in the elite, farmers, tradesmen, those who don&#039;t own property,  ... .

The ACLU is not concerned about taxation because taxation is constitutionally legal and proper. It is also required for society to function. Taxes are NOT an illegal taking under the Constitution. Not challenging taxation is not a denial of our Liberties. Forcing someone to pay homage to a flag or worship another god is.

Don&#039;t you ever get tired of being wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#51, Loser,</p>
<p><i>And note, I know the ACLU has done some good. But I think if they are going to proclaim something like supporting Liberty, they should support it the whole way, not just part way.</i></p>
<p>So once again because someone isn&#8217;t a greedy selfish bastard like Liebertarinas generally are, they must be wrong.</p>
<p>The part YOU don&#8217;t understand is how society works. WE depend upon society working in order to support the life and lifestyle we have. Maybe your little fantasy world can&#8217;t comprehend that but it is true.</p>
<p>The ACLU is for civil rights of all Americans that the government might want to deny. It is not for the destruction of society. The original American Constitution is the basic rules that our society will use in order to have a functioning society where the best is attainable for all. Well, except for slaves, women, those not in the elite, farmers, tradesmen, those who don&#8217;t own property,  &#8230; .</p>
<p>The ACLU is not concerned about taxation because taxation is constitutionally legal and proper. It is also required for society to function. Taxes are NOT an illegal taking under the Constitution. Not challenging taxation is not a denial of our Liberties. Forcing someone to pay homage to a flag or worship another god is.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you ever get tired of being wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1602781</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 your right about the police and phonetics.  It isn&#039;t spelled out as needed in the Lethal Weapon&#039;s videos they use for training material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 your right about the police and phonetics.  It isn&#8217;t spelled out as needed in the Lethal Weapon&#8217;s videos they use for training material.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/11/18/airport-rules-changed-after-ron-paul-aide-detained/comment-page-3/#comment-1602779</link>
		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#49, You need to read a book called &quot;The Jesuits&quot; by Malachi Martin.  It might change your opinion on the Jesuits and what they tell people about themselves.

And note, I know the ACLU has done some good.  But I think if they are going to proclaim something like supporting Liberty, they should support it the whole way, not just part way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#49, You need to read a book called &#8220;The Jesuits&#8221; by Malachi Martin.  It might change your opinion on the Jesuits and what they tell people about themselves.</p>
<p>And note, I know the ACLU has done some good.  But I think if they are going to proclaim something like supporting Liberty, they should support it the whole way, not just part way.</p>
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