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	<title>Comments on: Gore Employs Photoshop to Push Warming Agenda&#8230; Shrinks Florida!</title>
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		<title>By: mong</title>
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		<dc:creator>mong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice opinions.. everyone has one and they are just a important as that other piece of anatomy..
Imagine the wisdom of not having him [Gore] elected.. not only would we have been spared Bush&#039;s incompetence, arrogance and liberty hating schemes, the Democrats would have been outed yrs ago, and the road to some semblance of sanity may have been initiated much sooner.
Scientists are acting like politicians: someone else&#039;s business is theirs, values are for sale and integrity is sacrificed for contradiction and deceit.
Even my neighbourhood shaman is more honest— and doesn&#039;t steal in the name of the common good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice opinions.. everyone has one and they are just a important as that other piece of anatomy..<br />
Imagine the wisdom of not having him [Gore] elected.. not only would we have been spared Bush&#8217;s incompetence, arrogance and liberty hating schemes, the Democrats would have been outed yrs ago, and the road to some semblance of sanity may have been initiated much sooner.<br />
Scientists are acting like politicians: someone else&#8217;s business is theirs, values are for sale and integrity is sacrificed for contradiction and deceit.<br />
Even my neighbourhood shaman is more honest— and doesn&#8217;t steal in the name of the common good.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody needs to drill down to the earth core, to tap the heat for power generation. Nuclear plants don&#039;t heat water more than a 600 °F. Much above this, bad things happen. Like oxygen and hydrogen split apart. Not good. So you don&#039;t even want to drill deeper than a couple miles, to pick up just enough energy to super heat water just hot enough to power surface turbines. Hotter than that, and you have a hell of a time expelling the waste heat in cooling towers and rivers. The drawback to this system is that heat transfer thru solid rock strata is relatively slow. So it can&#039;t provide the kind of on-demand heat as a nuclear pile. So geothermal plants have lower outputs. That&#039;s ok, just drill more wells. But then you&#039;ve got the NIMBY problem. Especially with Gore and O&#039;Brien scaring people as to how hot and dangerous it is to drill into the earth. So the ignorant public isn&#039;t going to want a relatively safe, non-polluting, power plant in their neighborhood (backyard). Though you could put one behind every shopping mall, and hardly anyone would notice.

The US already has more nuclear plants that any other nation in the world. And the problem of disposal of waste fuel, still has yet to be adequately addressed. Most just store it, in some secret spot within the plant. Nice terrorist target. Geothermal energy has no waste byproducts, other than heat energy. But then all other large power plants have that too, except Hydroelectric. The advantage of having a smaller geothermal plant (in every town?) would be its smaller waste heat footprint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody needs to drill down to the earth core, to tap the heat for power generation. Nuclear plants don&#8217;t heat water more than a 600 °F. Much above this, bad things happen. Like oxygen and hydrogen split apart. Not good. So you don&#8217;t even want to drill deeper than a couple miles, to pick up just enough energy to super heat water just hot enough to power surface turbines. Hotter than that, and you have a hell of a time expelling the waste heat in cooling towers and rivers. The drawback to this system is that heat transfer thru solid rock strata is relatively slow. So it can&#8217;t provide the kind of on-demand heat as a nuclear pile. So geothermal plants have lower outputs. That&#8217;s ok, just drill more wells. But then you&#8217;ve got the NIMBY problem. Especially with Gore and O&#8217;Brien scaring people as to how hot and dangerous it is to drill into the earth. So the ignorant public isn&#8217;t going to want a relatively safe, non-polluting, power plant in their neighborhood (backyard). Though you could put one behind every shopping mall, and hardly anyone would notice.</p>
<p>The US already has more nuclear plants that any other nation in the world. And the problem of disposal of waste fuel, still has yet to be adequately addressed. Most just store it, in some secret spot within the plant. Nice terrorist target. Geothermal energy has no waste byproducts, other than heat energy. But then all other large power plants have that too, except Hydroelectric. The advantage of having a smaller geothermal plant (in every town?) would be its smaller waste heat footprint.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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Un-friggin-believable. And here&#039;s the link to prove it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc

What gets me is that O&#039;Brien isn&#039;t either smart or brave enough to call him out on these errors. Gore even thinks drill bits had to be designed to withstand this temperature. Ah, even if it really were that hot down there, no way in hell (literally) could drill bits take that kind of heat.

Here&#039;s what I think IS the truth. Gore wants to KILL GEOTHERMAL ENERGY. He (and O&#039;Brien too) were making it sound too dangerous to tap that kind of heat. O&#039;Brien says drill down to a heat source sounds like an evil plot to kill Superman. Where&#039;d the hell be get that, if not from Gore himself? What Gore isn&#039;t tell us is that old giant Chevron, bought up and controls the worlds geothermal plants. That the technology is really decades old, and not so &quot;relatively&quot; new, as he claims. By that definition, atomic power is also fairly new. Anything developed after coal mining, is &quot;new&quot;. The reason Geothermal probably isn&#039;t better known, is that energy monopolies would rather see one new nuclear plant constructed, than ten geothermal plants. So only a relative few &quot;pilot&quot; plants have ever been built in the US. With all the geological activity in the Rocky Mountain range. Geothermal energy should be super abundant. But Al Gore&#039;s goal, I believe, is to create another De Beers of energy.

The US has an abundance of Coal. And the US abhor monopolies. At least in principle, it does. So price fixing and other such schemes are largely frowned upon. What better way to make energy cost more, especially in the US, than to thoroughly demonize what&#039;s most plentiful. COAL! So basically coal use is evil, because we have so much of it, and big oil can&#039;t totally dominate the energy market, with it around. So I believe Al Gore and chums are doing almost exactly what the Diamond industry did in the US. Keeping US diamond mining non-existent. Because of the US anti-monopoly laws, that would keep its pricing fair. So miraculously, no diamond mining exists in the US, in spite of there actually being known diamond ore in the US. Not to mention that artificial diamond making processes, are kept under strict control in the US. All this, just to maintain the pricing scheme of raw diamonds, world wide.

Not it&#039;s Al Gore&#039;s turn with Coal. It &quot;evil&quot; because he says so, and the US has so much of it. If the US had to import most of the coal it uses, just like oil. Gore probably would have no problem with that. So he only objects to plentiful forms of energy, not monopolized by an evil cabal, which he&#039;s part of. And he&#039;s also out to demonize geothermal energy. By confusing the ignorant public of the real facts. So that later, they&#039;ll reject its use too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Un-friggin-believable. And here&#8217;s the link to prove it.<br />
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc</a></p>
<p>What gets me is that O&#8217;Brien isn&#8217;t either smart or brave enough to call him out on these errors. Gore even thinks drill bits had to be designed to withstand this temperature. Ah, even if it really were that hot down there, no way in hell (literally) could drill bits take that kind of heat.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I think IS the truth. Gore wants to KILL GEOTHERMAL ENERGY. He (and O&#8217;Brien too) were making it sound too dangerous to tap that kind of heat. O&#8217;Brien says drill down to a heat source sounds like an evil plot to kill Superman. Where&#8217;d the hell be get that, if not from Gore himself? What Gore isn&#8217;t tell us is that old giant Chevron, bought up and controls the worlds geothermal plants. That the technology is really decades old, and not so &#8220;relatively&#8221; new, as he claims. By that definition, atomic power is also fairly new. Anything developed after coal mining, is &#8220;new&#8221;. The reason Geothermal probably isn&#8217;t better known, is that energy monopolies would rather see one new nuclear plant constructed, than ten geothermal plants. So only a relative few &#8220;pilot&#8221; plants have ever been built in the US. With all the geological activity in the Rocky Mountain range. Geothermal energy should be super abundant. But Al Gore&#8217;s goal, I believe, is to create another De Beers of energy.</p>
<p>The US has an abundance of Coal. And the US abhor monopolies. At least in principle, it does. So price fixing and other such schemes are largely frowned upon. What better way to make energy cost more, especially in the US, than to thoroughly demonize what&#8217;s most plentiful. COAL! So basically coal use is evil, because we have so much of it, and big oil can&#8217;t totally dominate the energy market, with it around. So I believe Al Gore and chums are doing almost exactly what the Diamond industry did in the US. Keeping US diamond mining non-existent. Because of the US anti-monopoly laws, that would keep its pricing fair. So miraculously, no diamond mining exists in the US, in spite of there actually being known diamond ore in the US. Not to mention that artificial diamond making processes, are kept under strict control in the US. All this, just to maintain the pricing scheme of raw diamonds, world wide.</p>
<p>Not it&#8217;s Al Gore&#8217;s turn with Coal. It &#8220;evil&#8221; because he says so, and the US has so much of it. If the US had to import most of the coal it uses, just like oil. Gore probably would have no problem with that. So he only objects to plentiful forms of energy, not monopolized by an evil cabal, which he&#8217;s part of. And he&#8217;s also out to demonize geothermal energy. By confusing the ignorant public of the real facts. So that later, they&#8217;ll reject its use too.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think. If the warming trend were to start back up and continue the southern edge of the Sahara would be pushed way north making the region verdant and well watered.

Then Gore wants these people to agree not to burn fossil fuels. A lot of people in a lot of places are going to be much better off if the warming trend starts back up.
 
Sure a lot of people in a lot of places will be worse off. 

Back a few hundred thousand years there were wild hippo in England. You  think that was due to CO2 from burning fossil fuels? Climate is not stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think. If the warming trend were to start back up and continue the southern edge of the Sahara would be pushed way north making the region verdant and well watered.</p>
<p>Then Gore wants these people to agree not to burn fossil fuels. A lot of people in a lot of places are going to be much better off if the warming trend starts back up.</p>
<p>Sure a lot of people in a lot of places will be worse off. </p>
<p>Back a few hundred thousand years there were wild hippo in England. You  think that was due to CO2 from burning fossil fuels? Climate is not stable.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Camp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Camp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has this blog suddenly gone insane?</description>
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		<title>By: Ah_Yea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ah_Yea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#55, and of course all the scientist, including NASA, who don&#039;t fall into lockstep, are shills of the oil industry.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SORCE/sorce_05.php

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Loehle_Divergence_CC.pdf

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/will-the-real-hockey-stick-please-stand-up/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55, and of course all the scientist, including NASA, who don&#8217;t fall into lockstep, are shills of the oil industry.</p>
<p><a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SORCE/sorce_05.php" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SORCE/sorce_05.php' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SORCE/sorce_05.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Loehle_Divergence_CC.pdf" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Loehle_Divergence_CC.pdf' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Loehle_Divergence_CC.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/will-the-real-hockey-stick-please-stand-up/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/will-the-real-hockey-stick-please-stand-up/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/will-the-real-hockey-stick-please-stand-up/</a></p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53 Great numbers about the division of the scientific community in the global warming issue. My guess is you&#039;re the authority on that, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53 Great numbers about the division of the scientific community in the global warming issue. My guess is you&#8217;re the authority on that, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: The0ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More moronic replies. It is illustrative. It is meant to represent in theory what could happen. It doesn&#039;t represent what&#039;s going to happen. This is base on trends and we all know there are tons of heated arguments over this.

But to deny a person of their theories is ludicrous. That&#039;s practically preaching one does not have the right to voice their mind in anything...for example you morons.

Here&#039;s what you do, take a look at the two photos and just say to yourself...&quot;interesting concept, I wonder if it&#039;ll really happen?&quot; Whether you agree or not is beside the point. Whether you are smart enough to go and find more answers is another thing altogether.

Seriously in everyday life one does not live and breath without thinking of new things and coming up with new ideas. If you&#039;re bashing them, PLEASE bash you head now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More moronic replies. It is illustrative. It is meant to represent in theory what could happen. It doesn&#8217;t represent what&#8217;s going to happen. This is base on trends and we all know there are tons of heated arguments over this.</p>
<p>But to deny a person of their theories is ludicrous. That&#8217;s practically preaching one does not have the right to voice their mind in anything&#8230;for example you morons.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what you do, take a look at the two photos and just say to yourself&#8230;&#8221;interesting concept, I wonder if it&#8217;ll really happen?&#8221; Whether you agree or not is beside the point. Whether you are smart enough to go and find more answers is another thing altogether.</p>
<p>Seriously in everyday life one does not live and breath without thinking of new things and coming up with new ideas. If you&#8217;re bashing them, PLEASE bash you head now.</p>
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		<title>By: Glass Half Full</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glass Half Full</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the 95% of climate scientists are wrong, and the 5% working for the oil companies are right.  Just like the &#039;doctors&#039; that testified for the tobacco companies who said smoking does NOT cause cancer...as opposed to all of the other doctors who thought it did.  

Gotta ask who&#039;s paying for your information.  Is it an open peer reviewed scientist who doesn&#039;t work for a company with a profit in the outcome?  Or a paid &quot;commercial&quot; scientist who&#039;s told what &#039;outcome&#039; to find and then works backwards to cherry pick evidence to support his position?  I&#039;ll go with the open peer reviewed science, thanks, though I&#039;m sure Exxon has some VERY qualified scientists working for them, just like Philip Morris did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the 95% of climate scientists are wrong, and the 5% working for the oil companies are right.  Just like the &#8216;doctors&#8217; that testified for the tobacco companies who said smoking does NOT cause cancer&#8230;as opposed to all of the other doctors who thought it did.  </p>
<p>Gotta ask who&#8217;s paying for your information.  Is it an open peer reviewed scientist who doesn&#8217;t work for a company with a profit in the outcome?  Or a paid &#8220;commercial&#8221; scientist who&#8217;s told what &#8216;outcome&#8217; to find and then works backwards to cherry pick evidence to support his position?  I&#8217;ll go with the open peer reviewed science, thanks, though I&#8217;m sure Exxon has some VERY qualified scientists working for them, just like Philip Morris did.</p>
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		<title>By: Glass Half Full</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glass Half Full</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#51  

Excuse me?  The entire Antarctica ice mass is on land...when it melts and breaks off it adds to the ocean.  It&#039;s the 5th largest continent, and it&#039;s covered in a MILE thick sheet of ice.</description>
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<p>Excuse me?  The entire Antarctica ice mass is on land&#8230;when it melts and breaks off it adds to the ocean.  It&#8217;s the 5th largest continent, and it&#8217;s covered in a MILE thick sheet of ice.</p>
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		<title>By: j-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>j-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only problem is that when ice melts it doesn&#039;t cause water levels to go up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only problem is that when ice melts it doesn&#8217;t cause water levels to go up.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#49 The Palin cover is as stoopid as this stoopid Gore manipulation attempt</description>
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		<title>By: Ralph, the Bus Driver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph, the Bus Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the same idiots are screaming how Newsweek&#039;s cover of Palin is sexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the same idiots are screaming how Newsweek&#8217;s cover of Palin is sexist.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#44 And what about the double-shot: macfan global warmers!

#47 That&#039;d go on par with Gore inventing problems that doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#44 And what about the double-shot: macfan global warmers!</p>
<p>#47 That&#8217;d go on par with Gore inventing problems that doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness, ... this blog is turning into Fox news inventing &quot;scandals&quot; that don&#039;t exist.</description>
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