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	<title>Comments on: Living Through Agentina&#8217;s Economic Collapse &#8212; Could It Happen Here?</title>
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		<title>By: Mac Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pedro - Not as bad?  According to my in-laws (who are still there), yes, it was that bad.  We went to Argentina in April/May of this year, and the disparity between the haves and have-nots is sickening.  Corruption is rampant, jobs are scarce, poverty flourishes, and no one&#039;s doing a damn thing about it.  Kirchner and her husband are destroying the country.

The only positive thing going for Argentina right now is that the inflation seems to be holding, and their currency hasn&#039;t tanked.  Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pedro &#8211; Not as bad?  According to my in-laws (who are still there), yes, it was that bad.  We went to Argentina in April/May of this year, and the disparity between the haves and have-nots is sickening.  Corruption is rampant, jobs are scarce, poverty flourishes, and no one&#8217;s doing a damn thing about it.  Kirchner and her husband are destroying the country.</p>
<p>The only positive thing going for Argentina right now is that the inflation seems to be holding, and their currency hasn&#8217;t tanked.  Again.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 Well, if fidel &amp; chavez have succeeded in something, is in showing that sheeple would not care much for any of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 Well, if fidel &amp; chavez have succeeded in something, is in showing that sheeple would not care much for any of those.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Safe water, food, clothing, shelter. If they have to in order to get those and maybe even if they don&#039;t, people will kill you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Safe water, food, clothing, shelter. If they have to in order to get those and maybe even if they don&#8217;t, people will kill you.</p>
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		<title>By: amodedoma</title>
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		<dc:creator>amodedoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ED, dont you mean A &#039;R&#039; G E N T I N A.

For me the best part is watching how the rest of the world has gotten tired of propping up this nation of deadbeats.  Appocalypse preparedness is definitely a good idea.  You&#039;ve got till the winter of 2012, make good use of it and prepare.  Shelter, weapons, dried and canned food, mechanical water filtration, first aid etc.  Better a small community than totally isolated.  Better to emmigrate than to stay in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ED, dont you mean A &#8216;R&#8217; G E N T I N A.</p>
<p>For me the best part is watching how the rest of the world has gotten tired of propping up this nation of deadbeats.  Appocalypse preparedness is definitely a good idea.  You&#8217;ve got till the winter of 2012, make good use of it and prepare.  Shelter, weapons, dried and canned food, mechanical water filtration, first aid etc.  Better a small community than totally isolated.  Better to emmigrate than to stay in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrovsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrovsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the world is a scary place when even the inarticulate paranoid are vulnerable to attacks from every corner.</description>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I do concur with: The US is becoming a new third world country, no stopping that. The lefty loons in here will call the day it finally happens &quot;the beginning of the golden era&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I do concur with: The US is becoming a new third world country, no stopping that. The lefty loons in here will call the day it finally happens &#8220;the beginning of the golden era&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 17 chris:
&quot;Prolonged steady decline is certainly possible.&quot;

In fact, I believe it has already begun. I first started personally feeling it around 1981 or so (of course, that could just be me), though the first shock came with the Oil Embargo in the &#039;70s.

Cheap energy is what has made human civilization powerful and wealthy. First with firewood, and domesticating animals capable of doing lots of work. Then along came coal and steam, bringing on the Industrial Revolution. Then we _really_ hit the big time with petroleum and the internal combustion engine! There have been further advances, but oil and pistons are still our number one (and two, three and four) energy providers.

Well, guess what? The cheap, easy oil is almost all gone and the entire world is getting poorer. Now, while we still have some left, is the time to spend some of it on developing the main energy sources for the future. Our best bets are nuclear, solar, geothermal, wind and tidal. (The  scientists working on fusion say it&#039;s 25 years away, but they&#039;ve been saying that for 50 years.)

But what do we do? We deny there&#039;s a problem; they say we can&#039;t afford to waste money on these foolish things; &quot;It can&#039;t happen here!&quot;

Thomas Friedman states the problem in his latest opinion piece &lt;a href=&quot;http://courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009911190316&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;.

(If link fails, search for Thomas Friedman, &quot;What they really believe&quot;.)

We need to be spending ten to one hundred times as much on these technologies as we are. Good luck to us all. I think it&#039;s time to start learning how to live like the Amish.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 17 chris:<br />
&#8220;Prolonged steady decline is certainly possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, I believe it has already begun. I first started personally feeling it around 1981 or so (of course, that could just be me), though the first shock came with the Oil Embargo in the &#8217;70s.</p>
<p>Cheap energy is what has made human civilization powerful and wealthy. First with firewood, and domesticating animals capable of doing lots of work. Then along came coal and steam, bringing on the Industrial Revolution. Then we _really_ hit the big time with petroleum and the internal combustion engine! There have been further advances, but oil and pistons are still our number one (and two, three and four) energy providers.</p>
<p>Well, guess what? The cheap, easy oil is almost all gone and the entire world is getting poorer. Now, while we still have some left, is the time to spend some of it on developing the main energy sources for the future. Our best bets are nuclear, solar, geothermal, wind and tidal. (The  scientists working on fusion say it&#8217;s 25 years away, but they&#8217;ve been saying that for 50 years.)</p>
<p>But what do we do? We deny there&#8217;s a problem; they say we can&#8217;t afford to waste money on these foolish things; &#8220;It can&#8217;t happen here!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thomas Friedman states the problem in his latest opinion piece <a href="http://courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009911190316" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a><a>.</p>
<p>(If link fails, search for Thomas Friedman, &#8220;What they really believe&#8221;.)</p>
<p>We need to be spending ten to one hundred times as much on these technologies as we are. Good luck to us all. I think it&#8217;s time to start learning how to live like the Amish.</a></p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the source article, I agree heartily that those that appear of higher financial status are often more dangerous than the traditional &quot;pirate&quot; boogeymen. 

As to the ultimate danger of complete collapse(of the US dominated economic sphere) I must disagree. 

First, Argentina is in no way seriously similar to the current U.S. position. If China screws the U.S. it screws the largest market for China&#039;s goods. Not only is the U.S. a large market of goods, it is also a military hyper-power. Right there the analogy breaks down. Argentina could be easily written off; if the U.S. is written off it would mean major trouble. 

Prolonged steady decline is certainly possible. A sudden collapse is highly unlikely.  As John D. points out, we are a massive market. That importance, gov&#039;t fiscal irresponsibility aside, doesn&#039;t just vanish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the source article, I agree heartily that those that appear of higher financial status are often more dangerous than the traditional &#8220;pirate&#8221; boogeymen. </p>
<p>As to the ultimate danger of complete collapse(of the US dominated economic sphere) I must disagree. </p>
<p>First, Argentina is in no way seriously similar to the current U.S. position. If China screws the U.S. it screws the largest market for China&#8217;s goods. Not only is the U.S. a large market of goods, it is also a military hyper-power. Right there the analogy breaks down. Argentina could be easily written off; if the U.S. is written off it would mean major trouble. </p>
<p>Prolonged steady decline is certainly possible. A sudden collapse is highly unlikely.  As John D. points out, we are a massive market. That importance, gov&#8217;t fiscal irresponsibility aside, doesn&#8217;t just vanish.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Minatti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Minatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is bullshit.

&quot;Though my English is limited, I hope I&#039;m able to transmit the main ideas and concepts, giving you a better image of what you may have to deal with some day, if the economy collapses in your country.&quot;

For a guy with &quot;limited&quot; English skills he writes exactly like an American survivalist gold bug gun nut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is bullshit.</p>
<p>&#8220;Though my English is limited, I hope I&#8217;m able to transmit the main ideas and concepts, giving you a better image of what you may have to deal with some day, if the economy collapses in your country.&#8221;</p>
<p>For a guy with &#8220;limited&#8221; English skills he writes exactly like an American survivalist gold bug gun nut.</p>
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		<title>By: soundwash</title>
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		<dc:creator>soundwash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...geee, deja&#039;vu..i&#039;ve already been ranting about this since April..been seeing this on this

--before i paste my prior rants:

 FWIW: after some research, 2 months ago in the beginning of September, My g/f and I been bought several lots of twelve 1 ounce four-nine fine (.9999) 2009 Canadian Maple Leafs Silver coins at $1.20 over spot from Apmex.com. (un-circulated)

http://apmex.com/Category/2/Silver_Canadian_Maple_Leafs__2010__Prior.aspx

They charge $12.95 flat (any order) for (insured) shipping with only a $50 minimum order required.
(Kitco.com was $30+ for shipping, iirc)

We mailed money orders and total time from clicking the &quot;buy&quot; button to signing for delivery was 13 days or less. -they have since gone up $3.15
since we bought them.

Email correspondence with Apmex was also prompt and courteous.

If your interested in buying silver (or gold) online..Apmex.com so far, is on the up and up and competitively priced. (3 purchases, -flawless)

---

People.. when the dollar is worth the paper it&#039;s printed on, silver will be much easier than gold to use purchase
goods with, due to its current (highly undervalued) value.

More importantly:

In it is pure form (.999 or better) it is the only known, non-toxic and currently cheap (virtually all encompassing) anti-viral and anti-biotic known to man since ancient times. 

I have been making silver colloid since the beginning of 2008 with amazing results.

some of my research prior into silver&#039;s properties that I used to validate silver colloid&#039;s claims and the inevitable purchase of a silver colloid generator (schematics on how to make your own generator for under $30 in parts is also there) can be found on my subdomain at:

http://cs.soundwash.net

I Implore you to find all work done by &quot;Dr. Robert C Beck&quot; to fully appreciate the reality of not only silver&#039;s potential, but the power
of both ELF &amp; EMF&#039;s benefits and detriments.

Also, Search for or Purchase, the book, &quot;The Body Electric&quot; by Dr. Robert O. Becker to fully understand the potential of the body, and 
another works by him called &quot;Cross Currents&quot; i think a later works..

Both address the electromagnetic nature of the body as well as the (now) currents threats that EMF fields from cell and cordless phones present to the body that has been known since at least 1974 when the Russians offered us over 30yrs of hard data on the topic.

---

Body electric has been scanned (circa mid-late 80&#039;s) - I own the book. buy it or find it...

---

-you need only look into &quot;blue bloods&quot; to see how far back
it&#039;s (silver) history goes.. 

(didn&#039;t you ever wonder why a &quot;silver bullet&quot; was required to kill a &quot;wearwolf?&quot;

(with the proper precautions) 2 of these coins can hooked up to your 12v (or greater) solar panel which will sterilize any water born bacteria in short order or produce &quot;silver colloid&quot; which has many, many uses. (nature&#039;s antibiotic)


Some will call it &quot;crazytalk&quot; -others
will be curious as to it&#039;s source.

Learn it.

now, just a few of my prior rants on the Argentinian angle..


&lt;blockquote&gt;
soundwash said,  on April 20th, 2009 at 3:41 am 

has anyone not noticed these outrageously absurd
headlines in the news??

imo, we are being forced down the same dark path Argentina went.

banks and foreign private interests are going to own us. -they’re having a field day buying up everything now as it is for pennies on the dollar.

http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/19/obama-plans-to-kill-economic-bubbles-via-regulation/

&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;
soundwash said,  on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm

Holy F’k!

-They just showed the final hand!

They’re pulling an IMF style Argentina on America!

crap…and we’re in the process of devaluing the dollar right now in order to vaporize government &amp; foreign debt.

(and whats left of the middle class’s
savings)

Didn’t they do a shock-therapy devaluation of peso in like 6
months? something like 60-70%?
and wipe out everyone who wasn’t on the inside loop? Then the banksters bought up everything for pennies on the dollar or some such?

I would not be surprised if this how obama plans to health care passed too. [in light of current, mounting friction]

-He’ll finish the job and pull the rug out from everyone that still has a house and savings, and get *everyone* on unemployment/unemployed until they beg for GovCorp health care
and 10 other GovCorp nipples.

The clowns in the white house are already “re-educating” the kids
to think government is “cool” via the
“national service” program he signed
into law. (see serve.gov)

His policies are causing much of the middle class to take pay cuts, or even entertain a new career for less pay.

Extensions in unemployment now require that you also look for or take jobs that are 80% of your prior job. (a 20% pay cut)

(Here in nyc they slipped in a stealth 5 week extension a few weeks ago for those at the end of the extension line, -with no notification. While a godsend, this goes to helping manipulate job numbers.

It would not surprise me if they soon ask the unemployed to work for that check by taking a position in a government job as a clerk filing the mountains of paperwork or data that will come if the health care or cap&amp;trade fiascoes are passed.

-In which case the “cradle to the grave” mantra of yor will have been full filled with glee.

From what i can remember of the aftermath, this now looks like we are being played into an Argentina style fiasco for sure with this announcement, 100%.

They just need a nice crisis to kick it into high gear. the swine flu scam would be perfect for the health care angle.

We still have huge Mortgage resets through 2011 to help kill the financial sector all over again..

Here in NYC the past two weeks we’ve had a smattering pretty week “terror threats” so we’re being warmed up for that angle as well.

Gotta hand it to obama, he’s delivering on the “transparency”
of their actions.

However, it truly sucks.

The majority of this country now only knows how to operate a microwave oven, remote control and a web-enabled device..it ain’t gonna
be pretty.

Soon as they push the suckers rally in the DOW to 10,000+ and get the rest
of the amateurs to throw in, i imagine the festivities will begin..

They say those who do not learn
from history repeat it. well, sadly, i do not know any other country that sucks worse at history than America.

The Argentina scam worked beautifully.
I can’t see any reason not to use it again. -especially on a country as asleep [and drugged up on meds] as America.

::sigh::

http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/22/the-banks-may-need-to-bailout-the-government/
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Take heed.

-s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;geee, deja&#8217;vu..i&#8217;ve already been ranting about this since April..been seeing this on this</p>
<p>&#8211;before i paste my prior rants:</p>
<p> FWIW: after some research, 2 months ago in the beginning of September, My g/f and I been bought several lots of twelve 1 ounce four-nine fine (.9999) 2009 Canadian Maple Leafs Silver coins at $1.20 over spot from Apmex.com. (un-circulated)</p>
<p><a href="http://apmex.com/Category/2/Silver_Canadian_Maple_Leafs__2010__Prior.aspx" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://apmex.com/Category/2/Silver_Canadian_Maple_Leafs__2010__Prior.aspx' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://apmex.com/Category/2/Silver_Canadian_Maple_Leafs__2010__Prior.aspx</a></p>
<p>They charge $12.95 flat (any order) for (insured) shipping with only a $50 minimum order required.<br />
(Kitco.com was $30+ for shipping, iirc)</p>
<p>We mailed money orders and total time from clicking the &#8220;buy&#8221; button to signing for delivery was 13 days or less. -they have since gone up $3.15<br />
since we bought them.</p>
<p>Email correspondence with Apmex was also prompt and courteous.</p>
<p>If your interested in buying silver (or gold) online..Apmex.com so far, is on the up and up and competitively priced. (3 purchases, -flawless)</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>People.. when the dollar is worth the paper it&#8217;s printed on, silver will be much easier than gold to use purchase<br />
goods with, due to its current (highly undervalued) value.</p>
<p>More importantly:</p>
<p>In it is pure form (.999 or better) it is the only known, non-toxic and currently cheap (virtually all encompassing) anti-viral and anti-biotic known to man since ancient times. </p>
<p>I have been making silver colloid since the beginning of 2008 with amazing results.</p>
<p>some of my research prior into silver&#8217;s properties that I used to validate silver colloid&#8217;s claims and the inevitable purchase of a silver colloid generator (schematics on how to make your own generator for under $30 in parts is also there) can be found on my subdomain at:</p>
<p><a href="http://cs.soundwash.net" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://cs.soundwash.net' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://cs.soundwash.net</a></p>
<p>I Implore you to find all work done by &#8220;Dr. Robert C Beck&#8221; to fully appreciate the reality of not only silver&#8217;s potential, but the power<br />
of both ELF &amp; EMF&#8217;s benefits and detriments.</p>
<p>Also, Search for or Purchase, the book, &#8220;The Body Electric&#8221; by Dr. Robert O. Becker to fully understand the potential of the body, and<br />
another works by him called &#8220;Cross Currents&#8221; i think a later works..</p>
<p>Both address the electromagnetic nature of the body as well as the (now) currents threats that EMF fields from cell and cordless phones present to the body that has been known since at least 1974 when the Russians offered us over 30yrs of hard data on the topic.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Body electric has been scanned (circa mid-late 80&#8217;s) &#8211; I own the book. buy it or find it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>-you need only look into &#8220;blue bloods&#8221; to see how far back<br />
it&#8217;s (silver) history goes.. </p>
<p>(didn&#8217;t you ever wonder why a &#8220;silver bullet&#8221; was required to kill a &#8220;wearwolf?&#8221;</p>
<p>(with the proper precautions) 2 of these coins can hooked up to your 12v (or greater) solar panel which will sterilize any water born bacteria in short order or produce &#8220;silver colloid&#8221; which has many, many uses. (nature&#8217;s antibiotic)</p>
<p>Some will call it &#8220;crazytalk&#8221; -others<br />
will be curious as to it&#8217;s source.</p>
<p>Learn it.</p>
<p>now, just a few of my prior rants on the Argentinian angle..</p>
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soundwash said,  on April 20th, 2009 at 3:41 am </p>
<p>has anyone not noticed these outrageously absurd<br />
headlines in the news??</p>
<p>imo, we are being forced down the same dark path Argentina went.</p>
<p>banks and foreign private interests are going to own us. -they’re having a field day buying up everything now as it is for pennies on the dollar.</p>
<p><a href="http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/19/obama-plans-to-kill-economic-bubbles-via-regulation/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/19/obama-plans-to-kill-economic-bubbles-via-regulation/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/19/obama-plans-to-kill-economic-bubbles-via-regulation/</a></p>
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soundwash said,  on September 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm</p>
<p>Holy F’k!</p>
<p>-They just showed the final hand!</p>
<p>They’re pulling an IMF style Argentina on America!</p>
<p>crap…and we’re in the process of devaluing the dollar right now in order to vaporize government &amp; foreign debt.</p>
<p>(and whats left of the middle class’s<br />
savings)</p>
<p>Didn’t they do a shock-therapy devaluation of peso in like 6<br />
months? something like 60-70%?<br />
and wipe out everyone who wasn’t on the inside loop? Then the banksters bought up everything for pennies on the dollar or some such?</p>
<p>I would not be surprised if this how obama plans to health care passed too. [in light of current, mounting friction]</p>
<p>-He’ll finish the job and pull the rug out from everyone that still has a house and savings, and get *everyone* on unemployment/unemployed until they beg for GovCorp health care<br />
and 10 other GovCorp nipples.</p>
<p>The clowns in the white house are already “re-educating” the kids<br />
to think government is “cool” via the<br />
“national service” program he signed<br />
into law. (see serve.gov)</p>
<p>His policies are causing much of the middle class to take pay cuts, or even entertain a new career for less pay.</p>
<p>Extensions in unemployment now require that you also look for or take jobs that are 80% of your prior job. (a 20% pay cut)</p>
<p>(Here in nyc they slipped in a stealth 5 week extension a few weeks ago for those at the end of the extension line, -with no notification. While a godsend, this goes to helping manipulate job numbers.</p>
<p>It would not surprise me if they soon ask the unemployed to work for that check by taking a position in a government job as a clerk filing the mountains of paperwork or data that will come if the health care or cap&amp;trade fiascoes are passed.</p>
<p>-In which case the “cradle to the grave” mantra of yor will have been full filled with glee.</p>
<p>From what i can remember of the aftermath, this now looks like we are being played into an Argentina style fiasco for sure with this announcement, 100%.</p>
<p>They just need a nice crisis to kick it into high gear. the swine flu scam would be perfect for the health care angle.</p>
<p>We still have huge Mortgage resets through 2011 to help kill the financial sector all over again..</p>
<p>Here in NYC the past two weeks we’ve had a smattering pretty week “terror threats” so we’re being warmed up for that angle as well.</p>
<p>Gotta hand it to obama, he’s delivering on the “transparency”<br />
of their actions.</p>
<p>However, it truly sucks.</p>
<p>The majority of this country now only knows how to operate a microwave oven, remote control and a web-enabled device..it ain’t gonna<br />
be pretty.</p>
<p>Soon as they push the suckers rally in the DOW to 10,000+ and get the rest<br />
of the amateurs to throw in, i imagine the festivities will begin..</p>
<p>They say those who do not learn<br />
from history repeat it. well, sadly, i do not know any other country that sucks worse at history than America.</p>
<p>The Argentina scam worked beautifully.<br />
I can’t see any reason not to use it again. -especially on a country as asleep [and drugged up on meds] as America.</p>
<p>::sigh::</p>
<p><a href="http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/22/the-banks-may-need-to-bailout-the-government/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/22/the-banks-may-need-to-bailout-the-government/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/22/the-banks-may-need-to-bailout-the-government/</a>
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<p>Take heed.</p>
<p>-s</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
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		<description>The conservative damn-near made it happen here... and I&#039;m convinced it would have, had McCain been elected.  It still might happen, but thank goodness we have some good leadership with Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conservative damn-near made it happen here&#8230; and I&#8217;m convinced it would have, had McCain been elected.  It still might happen, but thank goodness we have some good leadership with Obama.</p>
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		<dc:creator>RSweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes the picture is just so much better than the article.

That one scene in the basement is enough for me to like the entire movie.</description>
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<p>That one scene in the basement is enough for me to like the entire movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Toxic Asshead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toxic Asshead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice screenshot from Tremors.</description>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there when the thing exploded. It wasn&#039;t as bad. This is typical latin american thuggery.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
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		<description>...&quot;after his poorly staffed regulatory agencies failed&quot;...

That brings up the reason we have nothing to worry about here in the US.  Going forward, not only will the regulatory agencies be fully staffed and generously if not embarrassingly well paid, there will be a burgeoning profusion of them and they will be led by a figure of extraordinary zeal.

History has shown that this is an infallible system for securing universal and limitless prosperity - as any tenured Ivy-league professor will tell you.

If you still have doubts, just ask any of Obama&#039;s buddies at Goldman Sachs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;after his poorly staffed regulatory agencies failed&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>That brings up the reason we have nothing to worry about here in the US.  Going forward, not only will the regulatory agencies be fully staffed and generously if not embarrassingly well paid, there will be a burgeoning profusion of them and they will be led by a figure of extraordinary zeal.</p>
<p>History has shown that this is an infallible system for securing universal and limitless prosperity &#8211; as any tenured Ivy-league professor will tell you.</p>
<p>If you still have doubts, just ask any of Obama&#8217;s buddies at Goldman Sachs.</p>
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