At surface level, ozone is indeed a pollutant. It is not, however, “smog”. Smog is the combination of particulate matter, ozone, CO2, and water vapor held close to the earth by a temperature inversion.

Phosphorus is another example. Long used as a laundry detergent additive, it was discovered to contribute to algae buildup so it was removed. Yup, phosphorus was declared a pollutant even though plants require it to grow.

Maybe you should stop and think before hitting the “Submit” button.

Sorta reminds me of The Sharper Image TV ads for their Ionic Breeze which talked about how their product puts out Ozone. Unfortunately O3 is called “ozone” when it’s in our atmosphere. When it’s down where we dwell it’s called smog.

#19 Mr. Fusion said:

No, it’s plant food.

Oh, is it really? Well what happens when you put a plant in a pure CO2 atmosphere? Or feed your plant solid CO2? It dies.

Nitrogen is also plant food. Go ahead and dump some on your lawn. Not a little spread out, just dump it. The same as what dog shit does, it burns the grass and kills the roots. The same with phosphorus, copper, and every other nutrient plants (and animals) need to survive.

The point is too much of anything is not a good thing. You want to ignore that. We live in a narrow specific band of environmental concentrations. Too much of any or too little of any one item can and will effect how the living organisms survive.

Adding too much of anything to the environment becomes a pollutant.

I’ve been a lover of science and mechanics my whole life..it comes natural to me.

In 2007 i started to question *everything* i was every taught. as science news starting in 2002 mostly never added up..being stuck home during this time pretty much 26 days out of the month because of bone issues. i have spent almost 95% of that time doing research.

Not only did i confirm my long term suspicions of the man made issue (from 2004) but i learned that ALL of the science we are taught about how the climate works is grossly false.

–but the entire model of how the universe [planets, comets, you name it] works is a hoax of the grandest scale! -as is the true origins of humanity, the solar system, what was our original “sun” before we were captured by our current sun, Venus and a whole slew of other stuff.

a minor discovery, Venus was a comet..hows that for a shock. -and was most likely what fried Mars’s atmosphere..

-and so so much more.

You will all learn it very soon as events unfolding in the universe will no longer allow any of this to be suppressed.

The weather is electrically driven

-as is gravity. -and the model of the atom needs to be updated:

learn how simple gravity works.

Learn this stuff. it’s easy, and its the truth..and it will be common knowledge soon..

Stop parroting the political science and study the works of some 30 people, combine them and you will see how simple everything really is.

And for to know the “real science” of everything -Science and “Spirituality” MUST be combined as one body of work, One Science.

-something that i just figured out in the past year myself, -and still cant believe i didn’t see it 20 years ago..

until then, [my] -Mirror Image Rule applies..

-s

Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you…

for finally providing the direct link to the mp3 again..

I’ll make a donation on Dec, 2nd..wont be much…but i appreciate the link…(i’m tapped out, trying to stock up before the crash..)

Many Thanks,

-gregO

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“So, as a denier you are positing that CO2 is not a pollutant?”

No, it’s plant food. They need it to make oxygen. And knock it off with the “denier” horse shit. I’ll posit that a lot of Holocaust survivors get more than a little pissed off with people like you bastardizing the term.

The models are flawed, the way the data is presented is dishonest at best. Fraudulent at the worst. Passing that off as science is about as valid as claiming the same for cold fusion.

“Dissolved in rainwater, it becomes acidic and erodes our buildings.”

And under pressure combined with tap water and mixed with vodka makes a nice drink. Volcanos and rotting trees make a hell of a lot more of it than we do.

Yes, CO2 performs as a heat shield because it’s a green house gas. Guess what? Water vapor is a green house gas too. Should we try to control water vapor levels as well?

As a skeptic, I have not seen anything that scientifically proves CO2 is the cause of global warming / climate change or whatever the new political flavor of the day is. Does that mean I’m opposed to conservation? Nope. I just see no reason to use the force of government onto people just to make some political environmentalists happy before all the facts are in.

And if you guys want to keep calling CO2 pollution, well, go on with your bad selves.

So, as a denier you are positing that CO2 is not a pollutant?

News Flash for nospam. We require oxygen to survive. Yet, in a very rich environment, extended exposure will kill you. And painfully.

We require iron for metabolism. Too much iron will cause irreparable damage to the intestines, liver, heart, and lungs.

Guess what ingesting too much water can do for you?

CO2 above 1.0% can cause dizzyness, nausea, and unconsciousness and above 10% will cause death. OSHA regulates the duration people may spend in CO2 rich environments.

So while we, and the environment, have adapted to live with all these (and many many more) elements within certain ranges, excesses can be deadly. Too much CO2 is a pollutant as it overwhelms the environment and can’t be readily absorbed.

Dissolved in rainwater, it becomes acidic and erodes our buildings. Transport to higher elevations act as a heat shield holding in heat to the planet’s surface.

And yes, CO2 already performs a heat shield function. Playing with that by small amounts will result in small changes in heat retention on earth. Very small changes in the overall scheme of things are really major changes to the very narrow band earth uses for life.

Nobody ever heard of the term Denier or Denialism (neither is in my New World Dictionary), until some racists began denying the holocausts of WW2. Then it started be applied to everyone who didn’t follow the consensus opinion, about whatever was in vogue. Apollo Moon Landing deniers. Evolution deniers. Homosexuality deniers. Etc.

But never God deniers. Or Intelligent Design deniers. Nor peace or compassion deniers (aka Dick Cheney). Only what amounts to “don’t rain on our hell bent parade” deniers. If you’re not willing to follow the mindless crowd into the abyss, then you’re a “denier”.

Get ready to have your hand or forehead stamped, or tattooed, if you’re not. Because Hell only accepts those who prepaid and booked ahead, to get in.

Yes, holocaust deniers are wrong. They have prejudged events and refuse to see facts. Usually because their racism overwhelms their logic.

Yes, evolutionists deniers are wrong. They too have prejudged events to fit their notion of “god”. Anything contrary to the “word of god” ia automatically incorrect.

Yes, those that claim WMDs in Iraq are wrong. The whole exercise was contrived to make Bush a war President, thus assuring his place in history.

Yes, Climate Change deniers are wrong. As with the others, they too believe and expound an position made up of myths, lies, bad science, and continued planet rape. They argue more for the profits of large energy companies simply in order to deny those differing in political opinion.