Comments on: Hillary Clinton: we were attacked from Afghanistan. Ron Paul: that’s bull. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:43:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lee E. Stevens http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607945 Lee E. Stevens Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:19:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607945 While Obama said he would press on with the War in Afghanastan he promised fundamental change across the board. Yet we see none in the DOD ,he kept on Bushs' man, and praised all concerned for an absolutely terrible job of command and control. Nine years later we are no closer to getting Osama then when we went their at first. We refuse to send troops into Pakistan. So all Osama has to do is wait us out. While we spend billions we don't have to run up even more debt that will either ruin the dollar or cause major stagflation. Obama just doesn't get it. he is BLOWING IT! He will be the next 1 term Jimmy Carter and God only knows who we will get next probably some luke warm Calvin Colledge wanna be. While Obama said he would press on with the War in Afghanastan he promised fundamental change across the board.
Yet we see none in the DOD ,he kept on Bushs’ man, and praised all concerned for an absolutely terrible job of command and control. Nine years later we are no closer to getting Osama then when we went their at first. We refuse to send troops into Pakistan. So all Osama has to do is wait us out. While we spend billions we don’t have to run up even more debt that will either ruin the dollar or cause major stagflation.
Obama just doesn’t get it. he is BLOWING IT! He will be the next 1 term Jimmy Carter and God only knows who we will get next probably some luke warm Calvin Colledge wanna be.

]]> By: GetSmart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607811 GetSmart Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607811 We've still got a lot of conventional ordnance that's near or past it's expiration date. Let's just blow every piece of infrastructure more complicated than a mud hut or goat path all to hell, declare victory and get the fuck out. Screw this "nation building" claptrap, it's too damn far from the 3rd Century BCE until the 21st Century to attempt anyways. This way, we won't look weak and indecisive to any other group of would be terrorists. We'll look violently psychotic and vindictive. They'll certainly understand THAT. Might make them think twice before they blow up any more of our shit. And it'll give them something else to worry about, rebuilding and all. We’ve still got a lot of conventional ordnance that’s near or past it’s expiration date. Let’s just blow every piece of infrastructure more complicated than a mud hut or goat path all to hell, declare victory and get the fuck out. Screw this “nation building” claptrap, it’s too damn far from the 3rd Century BCE until the 21st Century to attempt anyways. This way, we won’t look weak and indecisive to any other group of would be terrorists. We’ll look violently psychotic and vindictive. They’ll certainly understand THAT. Might make them think twice before they blow up any more of our shit. And it’ll give them something else to worry about, rebuilding and all.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607681 Mr. Fusion Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:46:34 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607681 The wing nuts are back The wing nuts are back

]]> By: Nitroneo http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607654 Nitroneo Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:40:25 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607654 wrong... we were not attacked from Afghanistan. Hillary using this "quote" is a direct plagiarism from the Presidents speech. And the President was wrong when he made that claim in front of West Point. If we were to attack all the nations harboring Al Qaeda it would be the start of another world war. We would also have to attack within our own country. War drumming fear mongering... what change. wrong… we were not attacked from Afghanistan.

Hillary using this “quote” is a direct plagiarism from the Presidents speech. And the President was wrong when he made that claim in front of West Point.

If we were to attack all the nations harboring Al Qaeda it would be the start of another world war. We would also have to attack within our own country.

War drumming fear mongering… what change.

]]> By: Paper Boats http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607653 Paper Boats Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:37:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607653 Did I hear that right, Hillary said we were attacked then explained it by saying Al Kida didn't hand over Bin Lad N. That seems to be two different things. Being attacked is not the same as not handing over. Thus, if I heard that right, Clinton is wrong, Paul is right, we were never attacked by Afghanistan. She also didn't answer the question that Paul put forth brilliantly, that we are now following the Bush doctrine of preventive war "attack first" which is like absurd when these people were against torture, now they say go kill people, what, Hillary, you think that's better than waterboarding? Paul got them right in a pickle, how can they admit to Bush policy being exactly what they are doing, yet that is exactly what they are doing. Did I hear that right, Hillary said we were attacked then explained it by saying Al Kida didn’t hand over Bin Lad N.

That seems to be two different things. Being attacked is not the same as not handing over.

Thus, if I heard that right, Clinton is wrong, Paul is right, we were never attacked by Afghanistan. She also didn’t answer the question that Paul put forth brilliantly, that we are now following the Bush doctrine of preventive war “attack first” which is like absurd when these people were against torture, now they say go kill people, what, Hillary, you think that’s better than waterboarding? Paul got them right in a pickle, how can they admit to Bush policy being exactly what they are doing, yet that is exactly what they are doing.

]]> By: brm http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607610 brm Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:54:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607610 #29: "There is no “front” in the war on terror" Seems like the front is Afghanistan. What exactly do you mean? #29:

“There is no “front” in the war on terror”

Seems like the front is Afghanistan. What exactly do you mean?

]]> By: Greg Allen http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607602 Greg Allen Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:08:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607602 NEVER EVER let conservatives fight your wars -- they always fight past wars, not the current one. There is no "front" in the war on terror -- the conservatives could never get their mind around and it's no surprise they bungled so horribly. Although I want us out of Afghanistan, I am comforted by the fact that Obama is smart and pays attention. This is in such stark contrast to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. NEVER EVER let conservatives fight your wars — they always fight past wars, not the current one.

There is no “front” in the war on terror — the conservatives could never get their mind around and it’s no surprise they bungled so horribly.

Although I want us out of Afghanistan, I am comforted by the fact that Obama is smart and pays attention. This is in such stark contrast to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld.

]]> By: tbarrey http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607537 tbarrey Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:10:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607537 That's right Mr. Fusion. You da man. Hey, lets say you and me join the Marine Corpse...c'mon, you and me man, we can kill us some Muslim Mothufuckers. That’s right Mr. Fusion. You da man. Hey, lets say you and me join the Marine Corpse…c’mon, you and me man, we can kill us some Muslim Mothufuckers.

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607527 Mr. Fusion Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:29:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607527 #26, tbarry said, <i>I'm a fucking troll. </i> No argument. Anyone wanting to see our military injured or killed is just a little tilted. #26, tbarry said,

I’m a fucking troll.

No argument. Anyone wanting to see our military injured or killed is just a little tilted.

]]> By: tbarrey http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607505 tbarrey Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:43:28 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607505 #17. I agree with Mr. Fusion...we should kill all of those fucking Afgahnis, I dont give a shit how many youg people get their arms and legs blown off. Fuck them too. A long as we get every last towelhead, then we can move on to Iran, and Pakistan, and I can enjoy my Christmas turkey in my Snuggy. #17. I agree with Mr. Fusion…we should kill all of those fucking Afgahnis, I dont give a shit how many youg people get their arms and legs blown off. Fuck them too. A long as we get every last towelhead, then we can move on to Iran, and Pakistan, and I can enjoy my Christmas turkey in my Snuggy.

]]> By: Dallas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607462 Dallas Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:09:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607462 #23. They weren't just hiding, they were in collusion with the government. Seems like a justifiable action to invade. I'm not sure your suggested "I'm a pussy" response would have been the right action. The issue is that Bush totally went on a different tangent. #23. They weren’t just hiding, they were in collusion with the government. Seems like a justifiable action to invade.

I’m not sure your suggested “I’m a pussy” response would have been the right action. The issue is that Bush totally went on a different tangent.

]]> By: Cursor_ http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607435 Cursor_ Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:36:29 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607435 The issue of Al-Qaeda operating from Afhanistan and thereby the fight had to be taken to them there is the very same issue of the Barbary Coast. There pirates were finding safe haven from the rulers of those lands. The rulers of those lands were reaping a reward from the activities of the pirates. The Taliban was in power at the time and reaping monetary benefits for their allowance of the training camps. Now I am NOT at all excusing the government for what it has done. As it SHOULD have come back into Afghanistan after the Soviets exited. We should have re-built the infrastructure, helped in rebuilding their republic as payment for the covert war they waged against the Soviets on our behalf. We trained and supplied them for war, we should have finished the job in peace. IF we have enacted a Marshall Plan style rebuilding there, we would have had a stable ally in the region. And would have limited, if not totally, prevented Al-Qaeda as a threat to the US. The cost then would have been much less than the current cost of allowing it to fester into an open wound. The US has made this mistake over and over. Will we ever learn? Cursor_ The issue of Al-Qaeda operating from Afhanistan and thereby the fight had to be taken to them there is the very same issue of the Barbary Coast.

There pirates were finding safe haven from the rulers of those lands. The rulers of those lands were reaping a reward from the activities of the pirates.

The Taliban was in power at the time and reaping monetary benefits for their allowance of the training camps.

Now I am NOT at all excusing the government for what it has done. As it SHOULD have come back into Afghanistan after the Soviets exited. We should have re-built the infrastructure, helped in rebuilding their republic as payment for the covert war they waged against the Soviets on our behalf.

We trained and supplied them for war, we should have finished the job in peace.

IF we have enacted a Marshall Plan style rebuilding there, we would have had a stable ally in the region. And would have limited, if not totally, prevented Al-Qaeda as a threat to the US.

The cost then would have been much less than the current cost of allowing it to fester into an open wound.

The US has made this mistake over and over. Will we ever learn?

Cursor_

]]> By: Aaron_W http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607434 Aaron_W Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:28:48 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607434 We invaded and killed or captured the people responsible for 9/11. Why are we still there? Oh I forgot $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Hope Obama enjoys his term, when we are still there in 6 figure numbers in 2012 and after his health care sellout to the insurance industry I don't see the left supporting him in large enough quantity. We invaded and killed or captured the people responsible for 9/11. Why are we still there? Oh I forgot $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Hope Obama enjoys his term, when we are still there in 6 figure numbers in 2012 and after his health care sellout to the insurance industry I don’t see the left supporting him in large enough quantity.

]]> By: David http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607431 David Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:15:58 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607431 If terrorists are hiding in your country, then you're "sponsoring" them? I guess we'll be invading Pakistan any time now. Would we have been a "pussy" if we came up with a more intelligent and strategically coherent plan for curbing terrorism? If terrorists are hiding in your country, then you’re “sponsoring” them? I guess we’ll be invading Pakistan any time now. Would we have been a “pussy” if we came up with a more intelligent and strategically coherent plan for curbing terrorism?

]]> By: Dallas http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/03/hillary-clinton-we-were-attacked-from-afghanistan-ron-paul-thats-bull/comment-page-2/#comment-1607425 Dallas Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:58:30 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=64153#comment-1607425 #20 <i>The apologists tell us we invaded Afghanistan because they were giving “safe haven” to Al-Qaeda. </i> That's correct. We invaded the country responsible for sponsoring terror on the US. Do you have a problem with that? What did you expect our government to do? Sit back and tell the world we're a pussy? I certainly expected a response from Bush and he did. #20 The apologists tell us we invaded Afghanistan because they were giving “safe haven” to Al-Qaeda.

That’s correct. We invaded the country responsible for sponsoring terror on the US. Do you have a problem with that? What did you expect our government to do? Sit back and tell the world we’re a pussy? I certainly expected a response from Bush and he did.

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