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For those who don’t believe in global warming, how do you explain the melting ice caps? Not dealing with the issue of man made or not.




  1. Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection says:

    I don’t think that poor bear really wants to be humping an iceberg.

  2. amodedoma says:

    It just doesn’t matter. The persistence of human ignorance is huge and has an enormous inertia. Regardless of the cause, change is upon un. Choose your dognma and go to sleep, right? For those in denial of climate change, aren’t going to wake up till they find themselves in real and present danger. Yeah you know the same morons who think it’s a good idea to stay in Afghanistan because the Pakistanis have WMD. Our fearless leaders know it’s coming, but politicians don’t solve issues, they argue about them until it’s too late. I’m not even gonna bother getting worked up about it. Hell’s coming to earth and we’re all gonna fry. So let’s party while the partying’s still enjoyable.

  3. The0ne says:

    Just wanna say again…fcking stupid polar bear. Sigh. When will they learn!

  4. Friendly_ear4u says:

    The Christian’s were wrong in the 80′s, the techs were wrong in ’99, the 2012ers are going to be wrong, and the environmentalists are wrong now. This is a political power play and little more. “the end is near” sign makers have nothing but a long term sales outlook ahead.

    They will really be laughing at us in 300 years.

    Cap & trade, UN actions, The green movement – all this will hurt the economy and will reduce “greenhouse gasses” by very little. The science is sound; we waste our time. The cycle will go on, as will those that predict the coming end.

  5. bobbo, change is all about maintaining the status quo says:

    #99–Fusion==thank you for all that work. How many Red Bulls did that take?

  6. RSweeney says:

    The ice packs once extended into the northern half of the continental United States.

    Explain why they are not still there and how taxing gas and allowing politicians to decide who gets the goodies and who doesn’t will bring them back.

  7. Mark T. says:

    Obamaforever, you must be a little dense. You are STILL missing my entire point.

    My point is that there is always a crisis that has been invented by politicians, greenies, lobbyists, or charlatans out to make a quick buck.

    Sometimes they are valid, sometimes not. However, they will always make it out to be a thousand times worse than it actually is and will be used to raise taxes, reduce freedoms, or make the insiders very rich (often times, it is all three).

    I was not trying to say which were valid and which were not. I wanted to demonstrate that there is ALWAYS something that is about to cause the end of society as we know it. The never ending crisis schtick is wearing a little thin. This is the “Little Boy That Cried Wolf”. I don’t buy any of it any more.

    To me, this all sounds like the work of a crackpot organized religion.

  8. Mark T. says:

    Oh, and of course, Mr. Fusion felt it necessary to comment on every item on my list. Again, he also misses the point.

  9. Obamaforever says:

    From: Obamaforever

    To: Mark. T.

    The only point I see is the point at the top of your head!!!!

    Pinhead, say what you mean and mean what you say!

    You are an idiot, tea bagger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Mark T. says:

    Wow, you have a lot of anger there, Obamaforever.

    You should know that excessive use of punctuation is a sign of amateurish writing and debating skills.

    Also, excessive use of insulting name calling is a modus operandi of a clinical sociopath.

  11. pdcant says:

    Have you ever heard od Precession? The northern Hemisphere is tilted more towards the sun than it used to. Why are the growing seasons getting shorter in the southern hemisphere?

    The Earth computer climate model programs say they account for precession. Of course, we can’t see the data or formulas because it would expose “secrets.” I say, GIGO and you can get any results you want to see.

  12. Glenn E. says:

    I’m pretty sure this bear photo is from a couple years ago. I seem to remember seeing how it was cropped, to omit the rest of the pack ice nearby, that the bear swam over from. It’s not like it melted out from under the bear! Bears can’t normally climb up on the larger blocks of ice, that float out to sea. This just happened to be one of the smaller ones, that a bear could perch itself on top of. Probably resting from a long swim. Or trying to get away from hunters. Far more polar bears are killed every year from humans hunting them. Than are killed by any possible effects of their habitat, by human activities.

    Sarah Palin probably bags a few, every year.

  13. deowll says:

    “For those who don’t believe in global warming, how do you explain the melting ice caps? Not dealing with the issue of man made or not. ”

    If the ones on Mars are also melting it would appear that more than humans creating pollution is involved.

    The sun is not absolutely stable. We are lucky that our star is a heck of a lot more stable than most.

  14. Glenn E. says:

    18- “more people freeze to death than die from the heat. It might be beneficial if the climate was a bit warmer. Who decided that warming was a bad thing?”

    Exactly! The only think this possible climate shift is going to mess up. Is the carefully negotiated financial monopolies of the G20. So in order to “hedge their bets” so to speak. They’ve come up with this Carbon Credit commodity. Which the rest of us will be forced to buy and enrich, while the already rich, exploit its value. It reminds me of the Tulip Bulb Scandal, of the 1630s. When Amsterdam was the central trader in rare and valuable Tulip bulbs. Some valued as much as a big mansion house. But after only three years time, the bottom dropped out of the whole thing. It was pure about speculation, and exploiting people’s ignorance of the commodity.

    Now it’s a totally invented commodity, called Carbon Credits. The value and quality of which, depends on the integrity and honesty of those measuring the carbon dioxide levels, of its sources. No mention has been made of any safe guards against dishonest “assessors” and speculators influencing the measurements. We’re just to assume that nothing hinky is going on. Until another Eron or Madoff scandal breaks.

    A long time ago, Gold was the world currency against which all others were measured. Then they got rid of that, back in the 1970s. And we’ve pretty much been subject to the “Oil” standard of world currency. But they are too many new sources of new crude oil and oil shale, to keep tight control of. So now, those that plan to profit greatly, by determining the value behind closed doors of Carbon Credits, are touting its worth at halting climate change.

    This crusade also reminds me of how all the politicians jumped on the Prohibition bandwagon, of the early 20th century. And how some got very rich, smuggling booze into the US. All started by some woman, whose first husband was drunk a lot. So she set out to rid the world of drink, after a vision she had, told her to smash saloons. Which eventually led to the US Prohibition Act. And instead created the Black Market, organized crime, and later lead to even worse drug addictions. Carrie Nation ought to be vilified for the nutjob she was. Just as Al Gore will be someday.

  15. soundwash says:

    -in a word: Cycles.

    Tangent..No more debate needed.

    Global Warming is a distraction for you peons to squabble over while they con the rest of the planet into signing over their sovereign wealth to the new fascist, Global Government which will use the faux science of man-made CO2/Green house gas taxes to fund a new World Bank derivative scam.

    Sorry to say, your a blooming idiot if you believe *any* Western science at this point.

    We live in a spinning, Electric Universe, not a static gravity universe.

    Electric Weather
    Plasma cosmology
    Electromagnetics
    Crystal Physics
    Resonance, Harmonics, Vibration
    Scalar wave theory
    Spin

    These are the things that define everything we see, feel and perceive. It all tied together with the physics of spin, or Torsion Physics. which by the way, even how Consciousness functions..

    The “Theory of Everything” has always been right in front of our faces. -though you would never see it so long as your taught to “specialize” in one field. This purposely prevents most people from ever seeing the whole picture and thanks to religion, it is Heresy to intrude upon another “field of expertize” -scandalous, if I do say so myself.

    Learn all of the above and you know the true physics of the universe. Our science is a fraud meant to keep us all in fear, in the dark and subservient to our Masters. With any luck The Russians will be revealing the “official” discovery of the [real] physics of gravity within the next year. (which hopefully, will result in us finally tossing the 19th & 20th century flawed physics of Einstein and Newtonian physics into the trash bin)

    When this happens, we will be re-introduced to almost all the “forbidden” physics of the west, like time manipulation, “free energy”, anti-gravity and most important, that space weather effects and controls “earth weather” almost exclusively. The only time man effects weather on this planet is when he flips on an ionospheric heaters or ion generators.

    DO THE RESEARCH yourself. -stop parroting government propaganda! This is 8th grade or High School science at best.

    To awaken yourself to physics of consciousness, (and many other relevant things you’ve been deprived of) stick this into your favorite search engine:

    torsion+physics+consciousness

    Mind you, the Russians and Germans have been playing with torsion physics since the end of WWII.

    The reason (IMO) why torsions physics are not a taught as basic course in the West is because to truly understand these physics, you must allow yourself to embrace and combine metaphysics with science/physics, -One body of work. -something that western mainstream science ridicules and equates with quackery.

    -Also, we would learn how to heal without the use of drugs and in many cases, surgery. a BIG nono here in WestWorld. (see EM pulse therapy for clues)

    I also suspect this is the key to Alchemy. (now we very well cannot allow the common man to have access to the knowledge of alchemy, can we?)

    good night.

    -s

    The Mirror Image Rule applies..

  16. Guyver says:

    93, So that’s your answer to global warming is man-made and that CO2 is causal?

    Sorry, what you’re saying didn’t sound too convincing that you’ve proven anything to end the “debate”.

  17. bonkersbrit says:

    #97 Wretched Gnu
    No it should be for everybody, but in the west there are other ways of compelling people to only have 2 kids.

  18. Paul Pierett says:

    Simply, we are more affected by sunspot activity at this moment. There is a climate time lag due to greenhouse gases.

    There has been global warming with breaks in the last 309 years.

    My work is posted at nationalforestlawblog.com. October newsletter under my name

    Sincerely,

    Paul Pierett



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