The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN’s role in all future climate change negotiations.
The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.
The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.
Found by Aric Mackey.
#36–Benji==stuck huh? I HATE the cold. Condolences.
Meat. What meat?
Evidently you think:
1. Global Warming causing ocean rise and less total land will also create more “arable” land. Did you factor in the more violent weather that will result from more energy to fuel it? Crop loss from floods etc? What climate model did you use to actually calculate the resultant arable land, or did you just pull this out of, out of, ((be kind, turn over a new leaf)), – - “the darkness?”
2. Extended Growing Seasons. Can’t tell if you are pro or against this. You know what happens when there is more work than you wish to do yourself? You hire other people to help you. Writing as if the farmer will be overworked is 8th grade naivete.
3. You would choose warmer weather? Based on what consequences?? Purely your own or the worlds???? It would “be nice” to avoid snow in winter and heat waves in summer but WORLD CLIMATE doesn’t work that way. Did you think about this AT ALL???? Thinking about it more closely, what do you think???
4. Substituting critical appreciation for SF Fantasies already covered.
5. What Kool Aid? I will assume YOU assume too much from whatever posting of mine you extrapolate from. But I could be wrong as who can tell what the frick you are actually thinking.
6. The CRU is one data point. IPCC/your own understanding should be made up of many/thousands of data points. Common sense informs you of this. Dogmatic irrational posturing takes you away from this.=====whatever it is that CRU actually did, or whatever you think they did. SO WHAT??? If a Russian Crazy Scientist falsified data to show that anti-gravity levitation could work, when found to be false would you say that “gravity has been disproven” or only that the Crazy Scientist has been proven a fraud? How do you determine on which subject to draw your lines appropriately vs wide from the mark????
I call the above a real lack of fundamental analytical skills. A door stop against opening one’s mind to the legitimacy of issues being considered. Please correct me.
From: Obamaforever
To: Johnny (aka John C. Dvorak)
To: anti-Climate Change Retards
Note: What ever I say about Johnny goes double for you Retards.
I just “love” all of these anti-Climate Change stories that Johnny puts on this blog.
Johnny gets his stories from the same place he gets his information on Climate Change—out of his ass.
There are so many stories it is hard believe Johnny’s ass can be that big. His ass may be like Doctor Who’s TARDIS-small on the outside much bigger on the inside. His brain is just the opposite.
Dvorak, stick with your PCmag.com column. You just showing your ass when you deal with Climate Change.
All I can say is WHEW! My children’s future is relatively safe from extortion to pay for a natural event.
The weather here has been so cold the last 8 years that the yield from my garden is about 30% of what it was. On top of that I wasn’t looking forward to a 200% price increase in fuel to heat my home in order to pay for the reduction of greenhouse gases.
The science of climate change has been studied long before the IPCC train left the station. Stand back and look. If you press your face right into ONLY the last 100 years you really don’t see anything meaningful. The Skeptic Deniers here embrace science for their cause… and trash or ignore just as valid science that existed before the IPCC went on their war path. LOOK HARD at the science you ignore while you bleat with the crowd.
http://tiny.cc/Stand_Back_And_Look
http://tiny.cc/Again_Stand_Back
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/files/community/science_1.2.2.jpg
http://tiny.cc/Stand_Back_Again
Many previous generations have lived through much warmer periods without the horrible predictions of the IPCC. This is a NORMAL cycle! This chart uses valid scientific data. Get your head out of the sand and look at the whole beach for a change.
http://tiny.cc/Science_you_can_understand
JimR!
Haven’t you learned YET that Logic, Reason, and Sanity have no place here at DU!!!
Ain’t life fun?
My two favorite comedians:
Sister Mary Hand Grenade
Obamaforever
Every post is a laugh…
this bullshit out of 13 years of studies and they find 3 problems for one year only.
I think global climate change is a fact. I think man’s activities contribute to these changes. I also think these conferences are mostly pointless but the solutions and changes we need to move beyond these problems are closer to reality than ever. However those who have contributed most to the problem have no stomach for the solution because they can’t think any differently.
How we think about our stewardship of this planet will change, but the baby boomer generation will need to vacate first and eventually their great-grandchildren will look back and shake their heads.
Now, this is what I call reality TV.
#11 Only matched by your naiveté.
#17 What about Dohpenhagen.
#20 & #21 What? Are you gonna leave Gore out in the open? No senseless defense for him? Something’s fishy here.
#24 You should know by now that the way things work in the world is that: There’s some climate change and that humans might have something to do, although not to the extended being believed. Then, instead of really doing something, politicians & scammers are just in for the things & power they can grab.
#26 said: “White House Squirrel”
Boy! You make me cry with that one.
#29 Spot on! Kudos.
#42 Say, retarderforever. Did you cancel your hopenhagen hotel reservation already or are you just set to go?
How old are you?
This global warming is among the biggest scams foisted or hoisted onto the western world
What has the UN done to serve mankind other than serve itself
Biggest bunch of liars , cheats and cases known to mankind – never mind the nepotism
Benjamin40,
You’re thinking like a Haitian — they burned their rain forest and are (or oughta be) real sorry now.
Obamaforever: your comments only spew insults, you demand that people show you proof, which you do not read, yet you fail at showing proof yourself, you only re-iterate what you hear from the 8pm news.
“The science is sound, the science is sound..” No it is not! It was manipulated, it was not properly peer reviewed.. that is not sound science. 4000 scientists based their decision to support this, based upon 620 authors of a document, where several scientists claimed their articles were taken out of context and manipulated to fit the overall direction of the document. The other 3380 scientists that agreed later based that decision on what they thought was sound science.. later finding out the science was not sound. Hence UN scientists and IPCC scientists are now quarreling and have gone out against each other (what the bloody news!). Well buddy, The Guardian broke this story.. it didn’t come out of JCD. Not only that, several hundred newspapers have broken this story within the last 12 hours. Suck it!
Global Winters: I am juggling it with the bailout.. both are pretty good scams. Not sure which get the first place in all of this. The bailout succeeded and i hope this one fails. I would hope these guys could make an agreement on sanctioning companies that spew out chemical pollution in nature though.
After I saw that video documentary refuting Global Warming, on Youtube last year. I’ve little doubt that part of what these “talks” are all about, is keeping the developing third world countries, like in Africa, from having a reliable source of energy production. Solar and Wind just isn’t going to cut it there. No one’s proposing that the “rich countries” rely on Solar and Wind power, solely. So why tell the African nations that they can’t ever use coal or oil, to run power plants? This keeps them poor and under-developed. So their labor costs will always be rock bottom. And the monarchs of world finance can count on them being the poorest alternative to labor in the US, Canada, and Europe.
Also part of this Carbon Conspiracy, I believe is the diamond and gold mining monopolies. Because by keeping these developing nations, where the mines are located, just barely developing. Keeps them too poor to expect a better life and living wage. So the workers will continue to work cheap in the mines. More profit for those at the top.
I call CBS tv the Carbon Broadcasting System. They seem to be the most fanatic about producing the Global Warming propaganda. This past week or so, its been a bunch of lies about the sea rising to wipe out the Maldives Islands. Completely ignoring any evidence that the sea levels haven’t changed significantly anywhere else in the world. A subsiding tectonic plate could easily account for why the Maldives is “sinking”. Not that the water is rising. Similar to what has been happening to Venice Italy, for decades. Unstable geography. CBS also recently claim the melting glaciers of Greenland will cause the world’s sea level to rise as much as two feet by 2050. Which isn’t going to lead to the sort of projected total inundation shown in the movie “WaterWorld”. In fact I seriously doubt that all the glacier mass of the north melting, could raise the sea levels more than a few inches.
CBS only mentions that Greenland villages might benefit from a permanent warming trend. Not knowing if it really is permanent or not. Making mention only of mining its mineral wealth. Probably by monopoly concerns. But what about Canada and the Soviet Union? Which could benefit greatly from reclaiming some of their perpetually frigid lands. Before the “Little Ice Age”, northern Europe was warmer and could grow more crops, than it can today.
December 8, 2009 live around 5 pm pacific time Dana Rohrabacher of Costa Mesa republican US house representative spoke well about the wacky concept of hot air turning into blankets and many other fantasies turned into fear campaigns for what always is found at the end of these rainbows, gobs of money for the corrupt elitists.
it was broadcast on c-span. he will probably put up the video on his site by next week. i didn’t see it up on c-span.org. if you find the direct link post it.
http://rohrabacher.house.gov
or maybe it will be up on here on his own website
http://www.rohrabacher.com
his you tube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/surfdana
What a bunch of effen retards. I don’t think anyone on this blog did any investigation other than read the exploitative headline.
This was “leaked” a week ago! It is only one of several discussions.
The usual crowd of self masturbation is in a frenzy as if this is evidence that forces of communism are being stopped.
Thousands of scientists that have studied the matter agree global warming is happening. A handful of disillusioned and/or bought and paid for scientists disagree.
Here’s a link to the text of the document:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/08/copenhagen-climate-summit-disarray-danish-text
If, according to Discover Magazine,”The average American creates roughly 22 tons of carbon dioxide every year”,is true. Then what are you going to have to give up to reach 2.67 tons as prescribed in this leaked text? Your car or bus will only get rid of 2.
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/may/31-how-much-carbon-dioxide-does-a-discoverer-produce/?searchterm=average%20carbon%20dioxide%20tons
#57 How ironic. Post #57 is the poster child for mental masturbation. And what’s about? Mental masturbation. Genius!