Comments on: Is Tamiflu a big scam?

By: FRAGaLOT

FRAGaLOT — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:42 +0000

Ah over priced placebos!
Mmmmmm sugar!

By: JimR

JimR — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:46:34 +0000

If there is a decision being made based on a claim that our public (especially our kiddies, our elderly or any other disadvantaged or innocent target group) are in danger, and the solution requires a substantial financial deficit that our kiddies will be saddled with in their future, on top of the trillions they have to pay back now because of OUR indiscretions… then I think it is more than reasonable to expect that all unaltered data pertaining to that claim be made public after it is collected and processed, so that ANY independent analyst can verify that claim.

What reaction do you expect when the data is kept secret? What reaction do you expect when the data has been found to be compromised by omissions and manipulation?

I would expect a full gamut of reactions from stubborn denial, to a healthy suspicion. To staunchly claim that the data is still 90%… or ANY percent accurate, without any basis in fact is irrational.

Is the western world so wealthy that you can throw money away at a staggering rate without double checking the facts, when double checking is warranted? Just show us the f*cking data. It won’t slow down the process any more than argument is already slowing it down. Is the future generation… our kiddies… going to be so wealthy… are their jobs so safe… is the economy so stable… that we shouldn’t bother to check the FACTS behind our huge expenditures?

We at least owe THAT to our children.

By: Macbandit

Macbandit — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:41:30 +0000

Tamigate?

Is this the year of conspiracies?

By: Mr Diesel

Mr Diesel — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:45:10 +0000

I wish you could play it too so you could serenade the idiots on this blog.

By: bobbo, pop culture and the Roman Circus

bobbo, pop culture and the Roman Circus — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:35:02 +0000

So everything is a scam?

Lets see………………

Can anyone think of an issue that everyone agrees on?

How about an issue where the solution involves denying/costing ourselves something today to avoid a larger cost/damage to our kiddies? Any such issue we have identified and there is 90% agreement we should take action???

Me neither.

I wish I could play the guitar.

By: jescott418

jescott418 — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:54:10 +0000

Even my doctor did not perscribe it to me.
Said it was expensive and did not reduce the time of symtoms enough to warrant its costs.

By: Global Warming

Global Warming — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:15:18 +0000

If its not global warming its H5n1
What ever happened to Bird Flu ?

By: sargasso

sargasso — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:01:50 +0000

#7. my bet is 10 months, at the current rate of patient self medication and overdosing.

By: Rick Cain

Rick Cain — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:00:25 +0000

Yeah and I remember the good old days when Amantidine worked on the flu too. The flu is a moving target, I doubt Tamiflu will do anything in 10 years.

By: Troublemaker

Troublemaker — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:57:13 +0000

http://snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp

Claim: U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld owns stock in the company that makes Tamiflu.

Status: True

By: jollycynic

jollycynic — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:46:22 +0000

As I understand it, tamiflu’s MOA is that it alters the cellular permeability of already infected cells, helping to inhibit the release of new viral particles. So, it would seem that (as far as I know, please correct me if you know more) the drug is indicated in curbing disease progression in the already infected. It’s ability to prevent infection would depend largely on the drug’s half life as near as I can figure (as in, how long does it remain active) because if it doesn’t inhibit spread long enough then the disease can proliferate after it wears off.
I’m just musing off the top of my head and a bottle of Jameson here though.

By: kjackman

kjackman — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:37:28 +0000

Right. So, let’s summarize, shall we?

* Tamiflu won’t release raw flu drug data: It’s a scam!

* CRU at East Anglia won’t release raw temperature and proxy data: No big deal, this is standard operating procedure, quit bellyaching.

Right.

If scientists ever want to be taken seriously again, they’d better start subjecting their data to public scrutiny, pronto. And if AGW true believers ever want to be taken seriously, they’d be well-advised to stop sweeping the CRU problem under the rug.

Yeah, I know this isn’t an AGW thread. Just galls me to see you guys treating the same damn problem completely differently when it’s a drug company doing it. Bite me, hypocrites.

By: R.O.P.

R.O.P. — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:14:43 +0000

Duh…just ask Adam Curry.

By: Mark T.

Mark T. — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:48:55 +0000

I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you! Profiteering on government fueled hysteria?! How can this possible happen? <— (sarcasm)

I wonder how many CDC employees own Roche Laboratories stock.

By: dagamer34

dagamer34 — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:47:35 +0000

Is the drug itself effective? Usually yes.

Is the drug effective in the way it’s being used because of H1N1? Debatable.

Since the only way to really test whether Tamiflu helps decrease the symptoms of H1N1 is a randomized double blind control study where they actually GIVE H1N1 to everyone and then Tamiflu to 1/2 and placebo to the other 1/2, I’m not sure anyone would sign up for such a study.

And thus, we’ll never be able to really tell.

But if someone is already SICK with the flu and given Tamiflu, there are studies proven to show it helps. Of course, it’s always better to err on the safe side, and big pharma profits, but most people would rather have that than a global pandemic like the Spanish Flu which is 100x worse than we have now.