UN Security stops journalist’s questions about ClimateGate

By Friday December 11, 2009

Oh, brother.



41 Comments
  1. Ah_Yea says:
    12/11/2009 at 11:14 pm

    Fusion #10.

    I have to give credit where credit is due.

    Great Kudos for that great link. Excellent.
    In particular, toward the bottom where he lists how to engage the skeptics.
    If his suggestions were taken seriously, such as “make data/methods available/transparent; clarify the uncertainties; openly declare our values” then this issue may actually get some closure instead of “Most scientists retreat into the ivory tower.”

    Also nailed it with “Whether it’s Prince Charles or Al Gore or Leonardo DiCaprio or any of these other guys, they all have the same message: “Hey, I deserve to live like this. Now shut up and shiver in the dark, you peasants.””

    … “Michael Hulme, of the infamous University of East Anglia, shares a basic point about the Copenhagen conference: “COP15 is about raw politics, not about the politics of science.””

    Nailed it.

    I suggest everyone read Fusions #10 link above.

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  2. pedro says:
    12/11/2009 at 11:18 pm

    #2 We are hiding the fact that you’re conFused

    #16 How dare you bring some facts to conFused. You’ll make him worse. Have a heart.

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  3. Wretched Gnu says:
    12/11/2009 at 11:40 pm

    oy.

    Yes, Cherman, all the world’s scientists are in a big conspiracy to suppress the scientific truth that only you know…

    Now go to bed and let the adults get on with things…

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  4. testtubebaby says:
    12/12/2009 at 12:08 am

    The guard portion may or may not be out of context. But what about the woman trying to take away the microphone?

    The alarmist PR is not very good. They claim emails are stolen. They will look foolish if they realy came from whisleblower.

    I seem to remember Algore reading a “leaked” document from so called skeptics in his slide show.

    With the election of Obama, socialisim has hit critical mass and its followers are showing no restraint as they feel invincible. This seems to be similar to how young people behave, but in the end liberals are mortal and there cabal will die in 2010/2012.

    We do not need to argue conspiracy, the alarmist statements do not follow scientific method, they are religous or faith based type statements.

    The Prof. does not want to answer because he “does not trust” reporter. WTF.

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  5. testtubebaby says:
    12/12/2009 at 12:21 am

    Just a side note.

    Someone mentioned getting raw temp. data from old newspapers. Fail. Newspapers do not record in fractions of a degree.

    Also, look at the error zones in temp. graphs. They are wide. The alarmist are emphasizing trends. But you can not use trends in graphs as any data inside error zone is possible and the trend may reversed but still inside error zone. Think about it. When you flip a coin it is 50% heads/tails and nothing will change that. If you flip 7 heads in row (an this can happen) this is a “trend”. But does it mean we are on our way to ever higher head counts? No.

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  6. bobbo, how do you know what you know and how do you change your mind says:
    12/12/2009 at 12:45 am

    http://noteviljustwrong.com/

    the source of your video has a nice contra-video regarding warming.

    YES–I think rationally, the earth would be “better” for human occupation if it was warmer===but we have 200 years of investment in it not being that way.

    Its not the status, its the change that will prove wrenching.

    BEYOND the warming issue, we still have the acidification issue that goes on without mainstream recognition==the cure being the same as with global warming.

    Like an evil magician==we are being conjured away from the magic that is looming ever larger.

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  7. Animby says:
    12/12/2009 at 2:08 am

    # 25 testtubebaby : “When you flip a coin it is 50% heads/tails and nothing will change that. If you flip 7 heads in row (an this can happen) this is a “trend”.”

    No. If it’s an honest coin and honest flip, seven ‘heads’ in a row is an anomaly not a trend.

    #18 Glenn E: Hey, maybe Gore does temperatures in Kelvin. Nope. That doesn’t come close, either. Damn! Maybe it’s just more of that “new math” wherein there are 57 states (according to BO) and 500 million Americans losing their jobs (per Ms Pelosi: http://tiny.cc/DgsNO )

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  8. bobbo, how do you know what you know and how do you change your mind says:
    12/12/2009 at 2:23 am

    #27–animby==isn’t the real critique of #25 that he stopped short? The issue is not heads appearing (in error) 7 times but rather it appearing 25 or 50 times? ie, thereby establishing the “trend” is not an anomaly. Isn’t that most important and valid distinction all taken into account with statistical analysis before a “conclusion” is reached? I think so, and take it on faith that is the case here with GW.

    Testtube==to follow your point, how many times would the coin landing on heads in a row lead you to be concerned the coin was weighted in one way or the other===LIKE FREAKING CARBON BEING LOADED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. That kind of thing.

    ie==your complaint/analysis only supports the other side. Well Done.

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  9. soundwash says:
    12/12/2009 at 2:38 am

    That was pretty messed up.

    a few days ago I downloaded the CRU File and rummaged through the “documents directory” (emails are in the “mail” directory and everything else is under the “documents” directory)

    the program code is well commented and is what the reporters SHOULD be talking about.

    They can deny context on emails but the code and comments are unequivocal. damming throughout..

    There is all sorts of even more (scary) fun and revealing docs in the root:
    globalization and climate justice, (cops?) anyone?

    In a file named greenpeace.txt

    Hi Mick,

    It was good to see you again yesterday – if briefly. One particular thing you said – and we agreed – was about the IPCC reports and
    the broader climate negotiations were working to the globalisation agenda driven by organisations like the WTO. So my first question is do you have anything written or published, or know of anything particularly on this subject, which talks about this in more detail?

    My second question is that I am invovled in a working group organising a climate justice summit in the Hague and I wondered if
    you had any contacts, ngos or individuals, with whom you have worked especially from the small island States or similar areas,
    who could be invited as a voice either to help on the working group and/or to invite to speak?

    All the best,

    Paul

    —————
    Paul V. Horsman
    Oil Campaigner
    Greenpeace International Climate Campaign
    Greenpeace,
    Canonbury Villas
    London N1 2PN

    Oil Campaigner??? -lol

    nope “No Agenda” here..move along…

    One more:
    Who need worry about ethnic cleansing when can just make it legal with “”Scientific Cleansing?” lol :x

    File name: ipcc-santer2.txt

    To: Dr. B.D. Santer, Livermore June 11, 1996

    Dear Ben: I want to reply to your email letters of June 5 and 7 in some detail, to allay your concerns and avoid misunderstandings.

    1. I learned about the Chapter 8 text changes (which you made between its acceptance and its printing) from material mailed out by the Global Climate Coalition on May 17. Included there were the Oct 9, 1995 draft and the printed version of Chap 8, as well as a covering memo from Don Rheem “Revisions to Pre-approved IPCC Documents” and an analysis of the changes entitled “The IPCC: Institutionalized “Scientific Cleansing”. The GCC did a careful comparison of the two versions of Chap 8; the fact that they are an industry group cannot and should not be used to invalidate their work.

    –snip–

    anyway…tons of hilarious stuff…if it was from a move script…these kids need to be lobotomized before they hurt someone.

    Anyone want to see the “LIST OF POTENTIAL SOURCES OF FUNDING”

    –you could see a sample of who the NWO kids are targeting for pickpocketing and global control.

    this file has “Movie” written all over it. plenty of stuff to make a docudrama. might help the naive see it coming next time..

    -s

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  10. Animby says:
    12/12/2009 at 5:43 am

    Bobbo #28 – I stopped at helping him with his definitions. I leave it those of you with more patience to try and straighten out his logic.

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  11. Mr. Fusion says:
    12/12/2009 at 7:49 am

    Cherman / pedro,

    What happened to the missing tape? What are you hiding?

    Oh, a pet goat.

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  12. pedro says:
    12/12/2009 at 7:59 am

    #31 What, you don’t like the stories I put here? Find your own.

    Right now, I’m sure there are at least 10 people peeing themselves out with your conFusion.

    You’re pathetic, but do not dare to change. You’re always there whenever I need a laugh.

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  13. John C Dvorak says:
    12/12/2009 at 9:56 am

    Mr. Fusion..I found the rest of the tape

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  14. SparkyOne says:
    12/12/2009 at 10:06 am

    The world climate would be better off if there were no humans or animals. God, please allow the IPCC to make it so.

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  15. DanMan says:
    12/12/2009 at 11:13 am

    Grandpa said:
    “I don’t get it. Why do they WANT global warming to exist to the point of lying about it? What do they have to gain?”

    Just wait, this is all leading up to the selling of carbon credits which will be used to fund the UN so it can become the centralized government of the world. They know that the world won’t allow them to institute a global tax directly, so they need a worldwide eminent catastrophe such as Global Warming to scare us into submission. If you disagree or dissent, you are destroying the planet. Global Warming was devised to ease the world into the idea of One World Government.

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  16. Mr. Fusion says:
    12/12/2009 at 11:15 am

    #33, JCD,

    Great !!! So you found the part where the “reporter” acts like an effen moran. Who, in their right mind would want to stick around to answer that.

    But I guess the bigger question is why it took you so long to post it? I’m sure there is a good reason for you to hide it.

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  17. pedro says:
    12/12/2009 at 11:35 am

    #33 John, don’t do that! You’ll conFuse him even more.

    On second thought, that’d make him more hilarious, so thanks for the video.

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  18. SparkyOne says:
    12/12/2009 at 11:40 am

    So just where the hell is the swine flu?

    Could have finished this Global Warming issue off real quickly.

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  19. McCullough says:
    12/12/2009 at 11:40 am

    #33. Cool vid John.

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  20. MikeN says:
    12/12/2009 at 1:52 pm

    They say they lost the data, yet there are no e-mails discussing this data loss. Also, a 2003 email suggests they had the data, at least as of 2002. Plus he says he’ll delete the data if they ever find out about the FOI in UK.

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