Louise Gray of the Telegraph reports:
Speaking in Copenhagen on Sunday Tony Blair, the former prime minister, said the world must take action on climate change even if the science is not correct.
What the deuce?
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Yay. I get to be #141.
#140, Um, I am also talking about licenses to get married, to start a business, drive, fish, hunt, etc.
#142 OK, so you agree with me that doctors should be licensed? Won’t they take away your Libertarian membership card and secret decoder ring if you do?
You want I should run down the list on why licenses are a good idea for those others too? This isn’t the primitive wild wild west any more, you know. I damn well want to make sure someone driving 6000 pounds of steel and rubber is capable of controlling it, else he might run me over, or my family. Your “freedom” to f*ck up has the potential to harm lots more people than yourself since the colonial days. One of the downsides of advanced technology. Lots fewer people killed in buggy accidents.
Zoning laws: curbs your freedom to open a strip joint/liquor store next to an elementary school. Bummer. Why do those parents hate freedom so much?
Yes, lots of freedoms are curtailed as civilization develops. You can maximize your freedom by finding some pre-industrial society to live in. I doubt that many of us would make that trade.
#143, Yes, lots of freedoms are curtailed as civilization develops.
Yes, lots of freedoms are curtailed as fascists civilizations develop. Why do you hate freedom so much?
#143, Phydeau,
Just to add to your very pertinent and well articulated post,
The balance is restraint on the unrestricted advantage of the seller versus the protection of the citizen in particular and society in general.
Licensing protects society from those who would take undue advantage in an unrestrained market. It also allows the license holder to use society’s laws to protect himself from members of society that don’t respect the laws.
#144, Loser,
#143, Yes, lots of freedoms are curtailed as civilization develops.
Yes, lots of freedoms are curtailed as fascists civilizations develop. Why do you hate freedom so much?
The freedoms denied us in a “free” society are those actions that would injure another member of society or society itself. The organized nature of our society dictate that we will either restrain those who wish to hurt us or degrade into anarchy.
But from the other side, which you never care about, is the “freedom” of a person not to be injured. You don’t care (by previous posts) if someone is injured by a peanut processing plant that failed to clean itself or do proper inspections. As a society we have decided OUR right not to be injured is more important than YOUR right to sell contaminated peanut butter.
Now change that line to anything you want.
OUR right to a sustainable supply of fish is greater than YOUR right to over fish and take all the young fish.
OUR right to good health is greater than YOUR right to play doctor, sell miracle drugs, or hawk phony boxes with flashing lights that cure cancer, halitosis, and hemorrhoids.
OUR right to control the environment we live in is greater than your right to open a rendering plant next to Central Park, a heavy stamping plant next to a hospital, or (as Phydeau mentioned) a strip joint next to my kid’s school.
We, as a society have decided that OUR rights serve a better purpose than YOUR right to injure us.
Why do you hate America?
#146, You still haven’t answered your own question. Answer it and I’ll school you on what I know.
Why would you sacrifice other to save your wife?
I thought glaciers were going to raise the sea. Now you’re telling us the water level will be a relative constant. Define relative for us so that those two statements are consistent.
Be careful, you don’t temperatures to stay relatively constant.
Well the deniers have all fled, discredited and demoralized. Bewildered by science. And they left Loser to steer the discussion in a different direction.
#149, Oh, this discussion is just a continuation and it will never be over until you man up and answer your own question.
You started it but like every other liberal it’s easier to place blame somewhere else instead of taking responsibility for your own actions.
Why would you sacrifice others to save your wife?