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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/20/my-body-my-choice-not-in-the-us-army/comment-page-2/#comment-1614899</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a big loophole, and certainly a lot easier than shooting yourself in the foot to get out of a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a big loophole, and certainly a lot easier than shooting yourself in the foot to get out of a war.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26, Phydeau,

I don&#039;t disagree. All I&#039;m saying is that sometimes the &quot;rules&quot; have to be defended in a larger forum. And there are enough people that still believe reproduction rights are a woman&#039;s inalienable right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26, Phydeau,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree. All I&#8217;m saying is that sometimes the &#8220;rules&#8221; have to be defended in a larger forum. And there are enough people that still believe reproduction rights are a woman&#8217;s inalienable right.</p>
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		<title>By: Phydeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phydeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 I disagree with you Fusion.  If someone does something against the rules that affects the readiness of the unit, they should be punished.  Maybe court martial, maybe not, but something should be done.  And the soldier who got her pregnant should be punished too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 I disagree with you Fusion.  If someone does something against the rules that affects the readiness of the unit, they should be punished.  Maybe court martial, maybe not, but something should be done.  And the soldier who got her pregnant should be punished too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/20/my-body-my-choice-not-in-the-us-army/comment-page-2/#comment-1614267</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18, McCullough,

If this was someone getting into a fight I could understand and even agree with your point. 

This, however, is aimed at women. Men don&#039;t become pregnant. Women do. American law denies a female soldier the chance of an abortion. That is not her fault. 

Don&#039;t forget, the military often does stupid things that Congress (and the media) shames them into changing. Do you remember the military charging wounded soldiers for lost equipment? Perfectly legal, as you suggest. Yet Congressional disapproval forced the Pentagon to change the practice.

All I said, and believe, is this General will have some &quot;splainen&quot; to do if a woman is ever court martialed for being pregnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18, McCullough,</p>
<p>If this was someone getting into a fight I could understand and even agree with your point. </p>
<p>This, however, is aimed at women. Men don&#8217;t become pregnant. Women do. American law denies a female soldier the chance of an abortion. That is not her fault. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, the military often does stupid things that Congress (and the media) shames them into changing. Do you remember the military charging wounded soldiers for lost equipment? Perfectly legal, as you suggest. Yet Congressional disapproval forced the Pentagon to change the practice.</p>
<p>All I said, and believe, is this General will have some &#8220;splainen&#8221; to do if a woman is ever court martialed for being pregnant.</p>
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		<title>By: Animby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Animby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 Glenn : Why you wanna go tell lies like that? Nobody ever prescribed Valium to you for an intestinal bug. They might have given you a tab or two to help you sleep through some cramping. If you&#039;re gonna make up a story to try and destroy the reputations of some institution then at least come up with a believable one.

Just because a doctor is in the military doesn&#039;t mean they stop behaving responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 Glenn : Why you wanna go tell lies like that? Nobody ever prescribed Valium to you for an intestinal bug. They might have given you a tab or two to help you sleep through some cramping. If you&#8217;re gonna make up a story to try and destroy the reputations of some institution then at least come up with a believable one.</p>
<p>Just because a doctor is in the military doesn&#8217;t mean they stop behaving responsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16, &lt;i&gt;I continue to misunderstand how your constitution, which is supposed to be for ALL citizens, is presumed suspended for various people, usually the law abiding ones.&lt;/i&gt;

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution says, &lt;b&gt;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; &lt;/b&gt;

The rule and regulations they created is the Uniform Code of Military Justice. 

http://tinyurl.com/4qxfh

Everybody who joins knows this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16, <i>I continue to misunderstand how your constitution, which is supposed to be for ALL citizens, is presumed suspended for various people, usually the law abiding ones.</i></p>
<p>Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution says, <b>To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; </b></p>
<p>The rule and regulations they created is the Uniform Code of Military Justice. </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/4qxfh" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://tinyurl.com/4qxfh' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4qxfh</a></p>
<p>Everybody who joins knows this.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enlisted personnel also can&#039;t refuse being dozed with any thing the military gets it in their heads to dispense. And they don&#039;t even care if you might have an allergy to it. They&#039;ll ask, and then give you the shot anyway. Only officers (especially pilots) have any choice in the matter. The military is mainly interested in supporting its drug and vaccine contractors. So that&#039;s why the pump as many kids full of crap, that they can. I got five Polio boosters in as many years. I hadn&#039;t bad a single one since grade school. And the 1970&#039;s Swine flu shot nearly did me in. Again, they absolutely didn&#039;t care. My bad reaction was never treated or recorded, I&#039;m certain. My shop steward was simply told to keep me on the job. But I was useless for eight full hours, until I stopped violently shivering. Never again!!

When I caught a simple intestinal bug, they gave me a bottle of Valium to take. That made no sense to me, so I didn&#039;t. But years later I realized that they were helping out the drug maker, by issuing Valium to everyone for everything. Because the civilian market was rejecting its use. So Valium replaced Aspirin for a few years, in the military.

This is stuff they NEVER tell potential recruits, that they&#039;re in for. And I serious doubt that any full disclosure of same is being made now, of will be in the future. It might hurt recruitment. So don&#039;t say they knew what they&#039;re getting into. Because they really don&#039;t. In fact they&#039;re often flat out lied to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enlisted personnel also can&#8217;t refuse being dozed with any thing the military gets it in their heads to dispense. And they don&#8217;t even care if you might have an allergy to it. They&#8217;ll ask, and then give you the shot anyway. Only officers (especially pilots) have any choice in the matter. The military is mainly interested in supporting its drug and vaccine contractors. So that&#8217;s why the pump as many kids full of crap, that they can. I got five Polio boosters in as many years. I hadn&#8217;t bad a single one since grade school. And the 1970&#8242;s Swine flu shot nearly did me in. Again, they absolutely didn&#8217;t care. My bad reaction was never treated or recorded, I&#8217;m certain. My shop steward was simply told to keep me on the job. But I was useless for eight full hours, until I stopped violently shivering. Never again!!</p>
<p>When I caught a simple intestinal bug, they gave me a bottle of Valium to take. That made no sense to me, so I didn&#8217;t. But years later I realized that they were helping out the drug maker, by issuing Valium to everyone for everything. Because the civilian market was rejecting its use. So Valium replaced Aspirin for a few years, in the military.</p>
<p>This is stuff they NEVER tell potential recruits, that they&#8217;re in for. And I serious doubt that any full disclosure of same is being made now, of will be in the future. It might hurt recruitment. So don&#8217;t say they knew what they&#8217;re getting into. Because they really don&#8217;t. In fact they&#8217;re often flat out lied to.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard plenty of stories, while I was in the USAF. Flightline mechanics (male and female), getting it on in the the wheel wells of parked aircraft. A female I knew, went on vacation with a mexican-american technician, to Vegas. And she came back pregnant. Then he wanted nothing to do with her. I believe she got an abortion. This pretty much destroyed her emotionally. She fell for Mr. Suave (think CHiPS&#039; &quot;Ponch&quot;), and paid for it. But I still felt sorry for her.

At the time, it almost seemed to me that the military was encouraging sexual relationships. In order to retain personnel, by them having the financial burden of children to take care of. So they wouldn&#039;t be so quick to leave after their term was up. This was post-1975. And civilian jobs weren&#039;t as easy to come by. Just like today. So it curious that this General comes out with this decree now, in this economy.

BTW, there has always been a double standard with these things. Officers usually get away with more, than the enlisted do. So sexual relations that result in some consequences, are usually ignored or treated with far more tolerance when officers are to blame. But just don&#039;t let an enlisted man be at fault. Especially if HE knocks up a female officer. They&#039;ll really hand him his head! It&#039;s mainly meant to serve as an example, to others. But male officers can often screw married females (either enlisted or civilian married to enlisted men). And get away with it. That&#039;s generally what I heard back in the 1970s. So, has this improved any? I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard plenty of stories, while I was in the USAF. Flightline mechanics (male and female), getting it on in the the wheel wells of parked aircraft. A female I knew, went on vacation with a mexican-american technician, to Vegas. And she came back pregnant. Then he wanted nothing to do with her. I believe she got an abortion. This pretty much destroyed her emotionally. She fell for Mr. Suave (think CHiPS&#8217; &#8220;Ponch&#8221;), and paid for it. But I still felt sorry for her.</p>
<p>At the time, it almost seemed to me that the military was encouraging sexual relationships. In order to retain personnel, by them having the financial burden of children to take care of. So they wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to leave after their term was up. This was post-1975. And civilian jobs weren&#8217;t as easy to come by. Just like today. So it curious that this General comes out with this decree now, in this economy.</p>
<p>BTW, there has always been a double standard with these things. Officers usually get away with more, than the enlisted do. So sexual relations that result in some consequences, are usually ignored or treated with far more tolerance when officers are to blame. But just don&#8217;t let an enlisted man be at fault. Especially if HE knocks up a female officer. They&#8217;ll really hand him his head! It&#8217;s mainly meant to serve as an example, to others. But male officers can often screw married females (either enlisted or civilian married to enlisted men). And get away with it. That&#8217;s generally what I heard back in the 1970s. So, has this improved any? I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: deowll</title>
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		<dc:creator>deowll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They get POed at you if you shoot yourself in the foot or something too. If you won&#039;t do a tour they want your backside on the outside because you are a waste of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They get POed at you if you shoot yourself in the foot or something too. If you won&#8217;t do a tour they want your backside on the outside because you are a waste of money.</p>
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		<title>By: dcphill</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcphill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You signed on the dotted line, your ass is
government property for the duration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You signed on the dotted line, your ass is<br />
government property for the duration.</p>
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		<title>By: McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15. Fusion- Look, this is no different than when I was in the military. If you went into town, got into a fight and were injured, and subsequently declared unfit for duty because of that injury....you were subject to courts martial. You have become a burden on your fellow servicemen who now have to do your job as well as theirs. Liberal interpretation of this means nothing. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. If you don&#039;t like it...join the fucking Peace Corps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15. Fusion- Look, this is no different than when I was in the military. If you went into town, got into a fight and were injured, and subsequently declared unfit for duty because of that injury&#8230;.you were subject to courts martial. You have become a burden on your fellow servicemen who now have to do your job as well as theirs. Liberal interpretation of this means nothing. YOU ARE GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. If you don&#8217;t like it&#8230;join the fucking Peace Corps.</p>
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		<title>By: Animby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Animby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was easier in my day. No man with a functioning pair of eyes would have touched a WAC. 

But we had some lovely female officers. I remember a particularly appealing surgical nurse that committed an offense against Army regs (and nature?) by sharing her carnal favors with a lowly sergeant. 

Lt Lewis, wherever you are, you still come to me in my dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was easier in my day. No man with a functioning pair of eyes would have touched a WAC. </p>
<p>But we had some lovely female officers. I remember a particularly appealing surgical nurse that committed an offense against Army regs (and nature?) by sharing her carnal favors with a lowly sergeant. </p>
<p>Lt Lewis, wherever you are, you still come to me in my dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob (AU)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob (AU)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 I continue to misunderstand how your constitution, which is supposed to be for ALL citizens, is presumed suspended for various people, usually the law abiding ones.

Isn&#039;t it in the oath of service that you will uphold this constitution?  Particularly in the oath of office the general would have sworn, yet the general seems indifferent to it.

OH, I know, these rules only apply to everyone else, not him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 I continue to misunderstand how your constitution, which is supposed to be for ALL citizens, is presumed suspended for various people, usually the law abiding ones.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it in the oath of service that you will uphold this constitution?  Particularly in the oath of office the general would have sworn, yet the general seems indifferent to it.</p>
<p>OH, I know, these rules only apply to everyone else, not him!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Fusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Fusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generals are all promoted by Congress. If you were this General would you like to go before Congress looking for another star after court martialing a woman for being pregnant?

Would you even want to be on the Joint Chiefs and tell Congress why women can be court martialed for being pregnant while defending &quot;Don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generals are all promoted by Congress. If you were this General would you like to go before Congress looking for another star after court martialing a woman for being pregnant?</p>
<p>Would you even want to be on the Joint Chiefs and tell Congress why women can be court martialed for being pregnant while defending &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 - Ah_Yea

Very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 &#8211; Ah_Yea</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
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