Obamaforever says:

From: Obamaforever
To: Animby (Me do calculations? You must kidding!!!!) per #47

Quote:
#41 – ECA : You must live like Al Gore if you think LIGHTING your house costs $120 per month. What do you use in your beside reading lamp? A 200 watt bulb?
End of Quote.

What does it cost to run a 200 watt lamp?

Note: Animby, we plant bulbs and light lamps The proper term is “lamp”. Now you know.

Let us show what we will be using in our calculation;

$.10/kwh ($/kwh for baseload usage)
30 days per month
1000watts/kwh
200 watts/lamp
1 lamp
24 hrs/day (you can reduce this usage if you like)

The calculation:
200/1000 x 1 x 30 x 24 x $.10=$14.40/month
$14.40 is what you would pay for a 200 watt lamp.

A CFL equivalent would be 55 watts (more or less).

The calculation:
$14.40 x 55/200=$3.96/ month
Savings: $14.40 – $3.96=$10.44/month

Thus, a 55w CFL would save you $10.44/month. Note: Remember this is the maximum savings (i.e. 24hours/day). If the usage is 8 hours per, you can 8/24 x $10.44 to get the new savings.

Animby, ECA was talking about if a SMALL TOWN (albit a very small town) changed over to CFLs. He was not talking about an individual. ECA states this at the very beginning of his post (per #41). Animby, you must read more carefully!!!!

Glass Half Full says:

The folks tackling this on a political level are idiots and think this is all 100% true or 100% false. Reality is complicated. So is this issue, VERY complicated. No question the earth is warning “overall” more than it has since humans have been around. No one has ever sailed the passage north of Russia in recorded history. The glaciers on Kilimanjaro have been around as long as cave drawings depicted it. Whether humans cause this or not is almost beside the point. Yes we should clean up, pollute less and for GODS sake get out of using middle east oil as our #1 goal!!

But everything, everything is a give at take. Switch to all LED light bulbs to save energy? Great! But then in Iowa you have to turn UP your heat in the winter (burn more energy) because the old light bulbs actually produced a fair amount of heat. Did you save money? Depends on my variables. In Minnesota they discovered that their fancy low energy LED street lights don’t melt the snow anymore, so they lights get obscured and they have to sent out trucks (energy) to manually clean them off. Saved anything? Hard to calculate.

This is complicated and the motivations are complicated too. The Republicans just want to screw the Democrats regardless of the bill/point/policy. The Democrats want to embarrass the Republicans. Lets drop the politics crap and just deal with the reality. It’s a complicated issue with complicated solutions. We’ll have to be all smart like and everything…LOL

LOWER CASE SCREEN NAME says:

#65 – Actually it’s all very simple: Pick any “problem” – if the solution requires Americans to live a smaller lifestyle or become less dominating internationally compared to other countries, the solution is unacceptable.

Animby says:

Obamaforever: “Animby, you must read more carefully!!!!”

Let me suggest YOU read more carefully. He specifically says the inhabitants of his small town pay $120 “EACH” for their electricity.

As for the definition of bulb. Please get out your dictionary. Yes, the first definition (in Websters Online edition) is that of a plant stage but the second definition is : “… a bulb-shaped part; specifically : a glass envelope enclosing the light source of an electric lamp or such an envelope together with the light source it encloses”

So you don’t read very carefully.
You don’t know the meaning of the words you DO read.
And you’re a troll, anyway.

Look up the meaning of “dim bulb.” You’ll find it in the mirror.

pedro says:

#69 said: “So you don’t read very carefully.
You don’t know the meaning of the words you DO read.”

That’s why he and conFusion share a special bond on the blog.

#70 Actually, I think is lack of prescription drugs. Kids like him (10 Y.O. or so) need their Ritalin.

deowll says:

It would appear that some people posting here want to deal with the world as it is in hopes of reaching better solutions to real problems.

The liberals posting here don’t care about external reality. Their only reality is between their own ears. External facts just get in their way.

Both groups claim to be trying to make the world a better place for people to live in.

For some reason I find I believe that anyone that ignores external realities is doomed to create a great big ugly mess no matter how noble their cause may be if they are given the chance.

Obamaforever says:

From: Obamaforever
To: Animby per #69

I know it is hard to follow ECA’s stream of consciousness, but I was able to parse his words.

Here is what ECA was trying to say: “Everybody in a small town uses the same bulb. The bulbs cost the town $120 EACH month in electricity.”

One must understand the intent of ECA’s words to get a clear understanding of what he trying to get across.

I had hoped that my calculations showing the cost savings of using a CFL vs. incandescent lamp would clarify matters—alas, it did not.

As for the definition of “bulb”. Your dictionary’s definition gives the common usage for “bulb”. Since I was explaining a technical matter the correct, technical term would be “lamp”. In short, the common term is “bulb” and the correct, technical term is “lamp”.

Please google ‘bulb’, ‘lamp’, ‘lighting’, and ‘technical’ to see that this is true. Or, you could call up a lighting designer and he would tell you the same thing.

I realize that as a physician who gets his science from business magazines the above is way over your head.

Physician, no; Chiropractor, yes!!!!

Rick Cain says:

We can substitute natural gas for coal and oil for heating and production and curb a lot of heavy metal pollution, radioactive release and toxic wastes.