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	<title>Comments on: Dvorak Poll: What Should Be Done About The Expiring &#8216;Temporary&#8217; Bush Tax Cuts?</title>
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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who honestly cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who honestly cares.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13
&gt; And the Laffer curve is 
&gt; still as laughable as ever. 
&gt; If collections go up as 
&gt; rates go down, we should 
&gt; lower the rates to ZERO
&gt; and get INFINITE collections!

They say that ignorance is bliss which would explain your laughter. Apparently, you never learned about curves in mathematics. To present the other side of your laughable analogy, why don&#039;t we raise tax rates to 100% if increasing taxes increases tax revenue? 

The tax revenue as a function of tax rate occurs on a curve where at the optimal rate any increase would lower tax revenue just as any decrease would lower tax revenue. This the Laffer Curve and it is not in dispute. Where there is great disagreement is knowing our exact location on the curve. Are taxes too low or too high? Given Obama&#039;s increase in tax rates (both direct and indirect) and his desire to let the Bush tax cuts lapse, we are about to find out.

Would you be in favor of increasing tax rates if you knew it would lower tax revenue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13<br />
&gt; And the Laffer curve is<br />
&gt; still as laughable as ever.<br />
&gt; If collections go up as<br />
&gt; rates go down, we should<br />
&gt; lower the rates to ZERO<br />
&gt; and get INFINITE collections!</p>
<p>They say that ignorance is bliss which would explain your laughter. Apparently, you never learned about curves in mathematics. To present the other side of your laughable analogy, why don&#8217;t we raise tax rates to 100% if increasing taxes increases tax revenue? </p>
<p>The tax revenue as a function of tax rate occurs on a curve where at the optimal rate any increase would lower tax revenue just as any decrease would lower tax revenue. This the Laffer Curve and it is not in dispute. Where there is great disagreement is knowing our exact location on the curve. Are taxes too low or too high? Given Obama&#8217;s increase in tax rates (both direct and indirect) and his desire to let the Bush tax cuts lapse, we are about to find out.</p>
<p>Would you be in favor of increasing tax rates if you knew it would lower tax revenue?</p>
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		<title>By: LOWER CASE SCREEN NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOWER CASE SCREEN NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 - You must wear a goatee: only is some mirror universe would a confiscatory tax have something to do with a &quot;free&quot; country.

#11 - I agree. Cut Eurinal loose.  We&#039;ve been carrying them for decades.  As has been said, the biggest problem with socialism is eventually you run out of someone else&#039;s money.  It&#039;s a lot easier to create a socialist hellhole when you don&#039;t have to pay for your own defense.

The Fair Tax is probably too much for most people to gt their heads around probably too difficult to implement in an abuse-proof way so the next best option is a flat tax.  Scrap the entire tax system and go with a 10% flat tax on all income.  No deductions or loopholes.  For example: you have kids? Tough, it was your choice and your tax is not reduced.  Investment gains are simply considered more &quot;income&quot; and taxed at 10% as well.  Can&#039;t bitch about &quot;fariness&quot; since everyone is taxed the same, no exceptions for anything.

States, counties, cities etc. can do what they want with their own taxes knowing they&#039;re in competition with each other to provide an environment people want to live in.  Overtax and people move out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 &#8211; You must wear a goatee: only is some mirror universe would a confiscatory tax have something to do with a &#8220;free&#8221; country.</p>
<p>#11 &#8211; I agree. Cut Eurinal loose.  We&#8217;ve been carrying them for decades.  As has been said, the biggest problem with socialism is eventually you run out of someone else&#8217;s money.  It&#8217;s a lot easier to create a socialist hellhole when you don&#8217;t have to pay for your own defense.</p>
<p>The Fair Tax is probably too much for most people to gt their heads around probably too difficult to implement in an abuse-proof way so the next best option is a flat tax.  Scrap the entire tax system and go with a 10% flat tax on all income.  No deductions or loopholes.  For example: you have kids? Tough, it was your choice and your tax is not reduced.  Investment gains are simply considered more &#8220;income&#8221; and taxed at 10% as well.  Can&#8217;t bitch about &#8220;fariness&#8221; since everyone is taxed the same, no exceptions for anything.</p>
<p>States, counties, cities etc. can do what they want with their own taxes knowing they&#8217;re in competition with each other to provide an environment people want to live in.  Overtax and people move out.</p>
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		<title>By: RTaylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>RTaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The estate tax shouldn&#039;t be reinstated at the million dollar level.  That&#039;s a 45% tax.  At least keep it at the $3.5 million exception.  This tax can destroy family businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The estate tax shouldn&#8217;t be reinstated at the million dollar level.  That&#8217;s a 45% tax.  At least keep it at the $3.5 million exception.  This tax can destroy family businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: HeeHee</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeeHee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 is correct
#14 is also correct

Taxes hurt the middle and lowest earners much more than the high earners (who can afford to pay them). Yet, the highest earners are helped most by the benefits of being Americans - and they wail the loudest against paying taxes.

Lottery Republicans: Low wage earners who don&#039;t owe much tax; but IF they hit the lottery, they don&#039;t want to pay taxes on it.

You live here, shut up and pay your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 is correct<br />
#14 is also correct</p>
<p>Taxes hurt the middle and lowest earners much more than the high earners (who can afford to pay them). Yet, the highest earners are helped most by the benefits of being Americans &#8211; and they wail the loudest against paying taxes.</p>
<p>Lottery Republicans: Low wage earners who don&#8217;t owe much tax; but IF they hit the lottery, they don&#8217;t want to pay taxes on it.</p>
<p>You live here, shut up and pay your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Cursor_</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cursor_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Eisenhower believed that taxes could not be cut until the budget was balanced. &quot;We cannot afford to reduce taxes, [and] reduce income,&quot;

&quot;Eisenhower kept the national debt low and inflation near zero&quot;

Kill the tax cuts. They have not worked, we need money to fix all the problems we have and rebuild our aging and crumbling infrastructure.

We have more &quot;I-35W&quot; bridges waiting to happen. 

Take care of the USA now, don&#039;t put it off.

Cursor_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Eisenhower believed that taxes could not be cut until the budget was balanced. &#8220;We cannot afford to reduce taxes, [and] reduce income,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Eisenhower kept the national debt low and inflation near zero&#8221;</p>
<p>Kill the tax cuts. They have not worked, we need money to fix all the problems we have and rebuild our aging and crumbling infrastructure.</p>
<p>We have more &#8220;I-35W&#8221; bridges waiting to happen. </p>
<p>Take care of the USA now, don&#8217;t put it off.</p>
<p>Cursor_</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think tax rates are high now?

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Congress enacted an income tax in October 1913 as part of the Revenue Act of 1913, levying a 1% tax on net personal incomes above $3,000, with a 6% surtax on incomes above $500,000. By 1918, the top rate of the income tax was increased to 77% (on income over $1,000,000) to finance World War I. The top marginal tax rate was reduced to 58% in 1922, to 25% in 1925 and finally to 24% in 1929. In 1932 the top marginal tax rate was increased to 63% during the Great Depression and steadily increased, reaching 94% (on all income over $200,000) in 1945. Top marginal tax rates stayed near or above 90% until 1964 when the top marginal tax rate was lowered to 70%. The top marginal tax rate was lowered to 50% in 1982 and eventually to 28% in 1988.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
 
Chart of the highest income tax brackets in the U.S. in the last 95 years at

http://portfolio.com/interactive-features/2008/03/Tax-Brackets/

 = = = = =

It amazes me how many people want to live in a weak country. Want to see what it&#039;s like living in a weak country? Try a vacation in Somalia, Liberia, the Balkans, the &#039;stans, Haiti. Then imagine what it would be like in your state if there were no U.S. government.

And the Laffer curve is still as laughable as ever. If collections go up as rates go down, we should lower the rates to ZERO and get INFINITE collections! Why, negative rates should provide TRANS-INFINITE amounts! We&#039;ll rule the UNIVERSE! HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAA!!!

Let the tax cuts die!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think tax rates are high now?</p>
<p>From Wikipedia<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_history_of_the_United_States</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Congress enacted an income tax in October 1913 as part of the Revenue Act of 1913, levying a 1% tax on net personal incomes above $3,000, with a 6% surtax on incomes above $500,000. By 1918, the top rate of the income tax was increased to 77% (on income over $1,000,000) to finance World War I. The top marginal tax rate was reduced to 58% in 1922, to 25% in 1925 and finally to 24% in 1929. In 1932 the top marginal tax rate was increased to 63% during the Great Depression and steadily increased, reaching 94% (on all income over $200,000) in 1945. Top marginal tax rates stayed near or above 90% until 1964 when the top marginal tax rate was lowered to 70%. The top marginal tax rate was lowered to 50% in 1982 and eventually to 28% in 1988.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Chart of the highest income tax brackets in the U.S. in the last 95 years at</p>
<p><a href="http://portfolio.com/interactive-features/2008/03/Tax-Brackets/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://portfolio.com/interactive-features/2008/03/Tax-Brackets/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://portfolio.com/interactive-features/2008/03/Tax-Brackets/</a></p>
<p> = = = = =</p>
<p>It amazes me how many people want to live in a weak country. Want to see what it&#8217;s like living in a weak country? Try a vacation in Somalia, Liberia, the Balkans, the &#8216;stans, Haiti. Then imagine what it would be like in your state if there were no U.S. government.</p>
<p>And the Laffer curve is still as laughable as ever. If collections go up as rates go down, we should lower the rates to ZERO and get INFINITE collections! Why, negative rates should provide TRANS-INFINITE amounts! We&#8217;ll rule the UNIVERSE! HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAA!!!</p>
<p>Let the tax cuts die!</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simple math:

more taxes = less jobs
less taxes = more jobs = more taxes (eventually)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple math:</p>
<p>more taxes = less jobs<br />
less taxes = more jobs = more taxes (eventually)</p>
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		<title>By: Pmitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pmitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10 you need to read the constitution defense is one of the only things that it explicitly tells the federal govt to do, But i am all for letting Europe fend for them selves, lets see how much faster their so called socialist utopias last when they actually have to pay for their own defense  instead of depending on the good ole USA to cover their asses all the while they subsidize their failing industry to undercut ours. I say bring our troops home form Europe and other not battle front countries and spend those defense dollars  here  in America  in our bases on our soil  let Europe and the middle east fend for them selves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 you need to read the constitution defense is one of the only things that it explicitly tells the federal govt to do, But i am all for letting Europe fend for them selves, lets see how much faster their so called socialist utopias last when they actually have to pay for their own defense  instead of depending on the good ole USA to cover their asses all the while they subsidize their failing industry to undercut ours. I say bring our troops home form Europe and other not battle front countries and spend those defense dollars  here  in America  in our bases on our soil  let Europe and the middle east fend for them selves</p>
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		<title>By: tydas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tydas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t forget that in this game the &#039;rabble&#039; must be kept content lest we face a revolt...and please, if you are going to say cut..cut..cut then also say defense, corp. welfare, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t forget that in this game the &#8216;rabble&#8217; must be kept content lest we face a revolt&#8230;and please, if you are going to say cut..cut..cut then also say defense, corp. welfare, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s leave them in place since they worked wonders.. oh wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s leave them in place since they worked wonders.. oh wait.</p>
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		<title>By: brm</title>
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		<dc:creator>brm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4:

&quot;There are not longer any small businesses in the USA&quot;

You&#039;re dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4:</p>
<p>&#8220;There are not longer any small businesses in the USA&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: stopher2475</title>
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		<dc:creator>stopher2475</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel bad Postman has no restaurants to go to. The best ones in my town are the smaller ones. That would be a nightmare.
Anyhow, I don&#039;t necessarily agree with 90% but letting them go back up to the Clinton era rates for people making 250k isn&#039;t going to put anyone out and is more fiscally responsible. It&#039;s a couple points and I&#039;m sure after the accountants get done with it it will be even less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad Postman has no restaurants to go to. The best ones in my town are the smaller ones. That would be a nightmare.<br />
Anyhow, I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with 90% but letting them go back up to the Clinton era rates for people making 250k isn&#8217;t going to put anyone out and is more fiscally responsible. It&#8217;s a couple points and I&#8217;m sure after the accountants get done with it it will be even less.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush tax cuts had nothing to do with jobs and everything to do with gutting our government&#039;s ability to deal with the issues we face. The tax cuts went to those with plenty and were paid for with borrowed money. I&#039;d say it&#039;s about time for the people who received that borrowed money to begin paying back at least the interest. So yeah...the tax loans...they need to go.

&quot;The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.&quot; - FDR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush tax cuts had nothing to do with jobs and everything to do with gutting our government&#8217;s ability to deal with the issues we face. The tax cuts went to those with plenty and were paid for with borrowed money. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s about time for the people who received that borrowed money to begin paying back at least the interest. So yeah&#8230;the tax loans&#8230;they need to go.</p>
<p>&#8220;The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.&#8221; &#8211; FDR</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight David Diddlehopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight David Diddlehopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What should be done about the expiring tax cuts.&quot;

Sell your stocks and take the capital gains before the tax cuts expire, of course.  And probably sooner is better than later because there will be a lot of &quot;profit taking&quot; as we get further in to next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What should be done about the expiring tax cuts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sell your stocks and take the capital gains before the tax cuts expire, of course.  And probably sooner is better than later because there will be a lot of &#8220;profit taking&#8221; as we get further in to next year.</p>
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