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	<title>Comments on: Virtual Panhandling in London</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1617047</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15# I am a Jehovahs Witness and am glad that you were able to learn more about our religion and our way of life.. and by the way do you live in Australia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15# I am a Jehovahs Witness and am glad that you were able to learn more about our religion and our way of life.. and by the way do you live in Australia?</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616925</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On occasion I do stop and have a chat with people collecting money for charity or spreading the word of god.  Only the other week I got talking to a Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses and learnt a lot about the religion and way of life.

Also I make a point to buy a Big Issue, a magazine where some of the profit goes towards the homeless person who sells it, and have a chat with the person who&#039;s selling it (you&#039;d be surprised one guy who selling it was a Doctor out of work).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On occasion I do stop and have a chat with people collecting money for charity or spreading the word of god.  Only the other week I got talking to a Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and learnt a lot about the religion and way of life.</p>
<p>Also I make a point to buy a Big Issue, a magazine where some of the profit goes towards the homeless person who sells it, and have a chat with the person who&#8217;s selling it (you&#8217;d be surprised one guy who selling it was a Doctor out of work).</p>
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		<title>By: KarmaBaby</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616917</link>
		<dc:creator>KarmaBaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should accept credit cards.</description>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616903</link>
		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Allen, kudos. That part of organized religion I can support if preaching isn&#039;t involved. I doubt many atheists show up for food though. There&#039;s a certain feeling of obligation or indebtedness when begging for help that is unavoidable. We have secular &quot;food banks&quot; to feed the hungry here, so that someone in need doesn&#039;t feel like a hypocrite when asking. There&#039;s no need to &quot;belong&quot; to those groups. We just donate food or money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Allen, kudos. That part of organized religion I can support if preaching isn&#8217;t involved. I doubt many atheists show up for food though. There&#8217;s a certain feeling of obligation or indebtedness when begging for help that is unavoidable. We have secular &#8220;food banks&#8221; to feed the hungry here, so that someone in need doesn&#8217;t feel like a hypocrite when asking. There&#8217;s no need to &#8220;belong&#8221; to those groups. We just donate food or money.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616822</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jägermeister,

I totally agree that private charities can never replace a government social safety net. 

But, I don&#039;t think Christian &quot;welfare&quot; (I call it compassionate aid) is the worst. Conservative Social Darwinism is far worse, IMHO. 

My own church has a food pantry and we gave out something like 15,000 bags of groceries last year and are anticipating 20,000 this year. We&#039;re not even that big of a church. 

Because of the ruined economy Bush left us, our church faced the very hard decision this year to either cut pastor staff or cut the project. We cut the staff because we simply didn&#039;t want to turn hungry people away. 

We do absolutely no proselytizing with the pantry. None. If you are hungry, show up and we&#039;ll give you food. That&#039;s it. Nothing more.  Seriously -- we are devout Christians but we don&#039;t do anything like you described. 

I&#039;m curious, do you belong to any group that helps people?  (I&#039;m not baiting you -- I&#039;m I&#039;d really like to know about it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jägermeister,</p>
<p>I totally agree that private charities can never replace a government social safety net. </p>
<p>But, I don&#8217;t think Christian &#8220;welfare&#8221; (I call it compassionate aid) is the worst. Conservative Social Darwinism is far worse, IMHO. </p>
<p>My own church has a food pantry and we gave out something like 15,000 bags of groceries last year and are anticipating 20,000 this year. We&#8217;re not even that big of a church. </p>
<p>Because of the ruined economy Bush left us, our church faced the very hard decision this year to either cut pastor staff or cut the project. We cut the staff because we simply didn&#8217;t want to turn hungry people away. </p>
<p>We do absolutely no proselytizing with the pantry. None. If you are hungry, show up and we&#8217;ll give you food. That&#8217;s it. Nothing more.  Seriously &#8212; we are devout Christians but we don&#8217;t do anything like you described. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, do you belong to any group that helps people?  (I&#8217;m not baiting you &#8212; I&#8217;m I&#8217;d really like to know about it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Faxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the People&#039;s State of Kalifornia, welfare and public housing come out of my tax dollars. So I never give money to charities</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the People&#8217;s State of Kalifornia, welfare and public housing come out of my tax dollars. So I never give money to charities</p>
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		<title>By: Jägermeister</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616747</link>
		<dc:creator>Jägermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 - Greg Allen - &lt;i&gt;Wow.

Helping the poor is now “pan handling.”&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s sad when you&#039;ve got a society where the people at the bottom aren&#039;t taken care of by its government. Christian organized &quot;helping&quot; is the worst social welfare system there is. &lt;i&gt;Here... have some soup... and we&#039;ll cram Jesus down your throat as a bonus!&lt;/i&gt; Just give enough help to get them hooked on Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 &#8211; Greg Allen &#8211; <i>Wow.</p>
<p>Helping the poor is now “pan handling.”</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad when you&#8217;ve got a society where the people at the bottom aren&#8217;t taken care of by its government. Christian organized &#8220;helping&#8221; is the worst social welfare system there is. <i>Here&#8230; have some soup&#8230; and we&#8217;ll cram Jesus down your throat as a bonus!</i> Just give enough help to get them hooked on Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eat the RICH!</description>
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		<title>By: sargasso</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616697</link>
		<dc:creator>sargasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new, cynical low point for the charity industry. Holographic beggars. I hope they accept virtual money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new, cynical low point for the charity industry. Holographic beggars. I hope they accept virtual money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616684</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you want more of these kiosks of guilt you should vote with your money, don&#039;t give to them. I hope this bad idea doesn&#039;t cause backlash to the organizations that get suckered into buying them. And I&#039;d be willing to bet it was thought up by a big marketing company that can&#039;t wait to show successful results to Coke, GM, Budweiser. Tie this in with what Google has on you and your geo-located phone and it is just like Minority Report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you want more of these kiosks of guilt you should vote with your money, don&#8217;t give to them. I hope this bad idea doesn&#8217;t cause backlash to the organizations that get suckered into buying them. And I&#8217;d be willing to bet it was thought up by a big marketing company that can&#8217;t wait to show successful results to Coke, GM, Budweiser. Tie this in with what Google has on you and your geo-located phone and it is just like Minority Report.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616653</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. 

Helping the poor is now &quot;pan handling.&quot;

I suppose you&#039;d deny health care to Tiny Tim Cratchit, as well, and call it &quot;family values.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. </p>
<p>Helping the poor is now &#8220;pan handling.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;d deny health care to Tiny Tim Cratchit, as well, and call it &#8220;family values.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JimR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1, re: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Wow, cool at least you get something in return for your change.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

amodedoma, what is it that you are getting that you wouldn&#039;t normally get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1, re: <i>&#8220;Wow, cool at least you get something in return for your change.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>amodedoma, what is it that you are getting that you wouldn&#8217;t normally get?</p>
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		<title>By: Analyst</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616641</link>
		<dc:creator>Analyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that looks expensive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that looks expensive</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Dodd</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616639</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How ever are you going to fleece the white guilt crowd with this? There&#039;s not a little black baby with flies buzzing around its face in sight. 

This is no way to effectively use guilt as a way to pry silver coins from tightfisted liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How ever are you going to fleece the white guilt crowd with this? There&#8217;s not a little black baby with flies buzzing around its face in sight. </p>
<p>This is no way to effectively use guilt as a way to pry silver coins from tightfisted liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: B.Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/29/virtual-panhandling-in-london/comment-page-1/#comment-1616633</link>
		<dc:creator>B.Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I can get a tragic avatar from the PETA site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I can get a tragic avatar from the PETA site.</p>
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