Glacier Scientist: “I knew data hadn’t been verified.”

Lefty loon warmers rejoice! Here’s more proof that yo daddy Gory is being sent to the pire. Come and rescue him! Show us the peer-reviewed paper. They do exist… in your minds at least.

C’mon! Show us what your delusions are made from.

Hear that sound? Thats the sound of Pachauri’s credibility going down the drain.

#1 Looks like you’re the one doing the rejoicing. Cherman did his weekly issues cherry pick ‘news’ to get Republican sheeple like you excited.

The educated and informed filter out both the top and bottom ends of the rhetoric and focus on the aggregate. The sheeple like you like to read whatever supports your agenda.

The need to do something about climate change is clear. The worst that can happen is cleaner energy, independence from foreign oil and taking measure to deal with the ramifications of third world nation growth. The worst is climate disasters of epic proportions.

Clearly, the GOP sheeple like you will rely on prayer and voodoo. This is to important to let the loonies have a seat at the table.

Cherman is on a roll today I honestly think DU is now Cherman’s World and that IS NOT a pretty thing to imagine. For example, I rather be living in China *gulp*

So these people are more activists then scientists? Go figure!

Damn it! I worked in college, looking at ice cores back in 1976, and there was proof that things were getting warmer over the past 150 years, or so. Just because these bozos didn’t do their due diligence, doesn’t make the fact that the climate is changing fiction.

# 5

Well those guys also did cherry pick their data to match their agenda.

Unbelievable how these climate alarmist get so emotional about this issue and defending their masters , you can not talk to these people.

Soon they will go out kill people in the name of the climate and mother earth , than you have a full-blown religion.

What a surprise:

“Unlike the surface-based temperatures, global temperature measurements of the Earth’s lower atmosphere obtained from satellites reveal no definitive warming trend over the past two decades. The slight trend that is in the data actually appears to be downward.”
NASA: http://tinyurl.com/6snft

to put political pressure on world leaders.

We were told it was NOT a world wide conspiracy. I guess it was.

This is what happens when you put stupid people in power. They listen to any who can use words with more than three syllables.

#14, I took a D. Take that!

The statements make no sense. If the authors of the report and the reviewers missed that the WWF report wasn’t peer-reviewed, then how can he say ‘we knew it wasn’t peer reviewed?’

Beware of anything where the answer is a global government with control over all aspects of life.

This answer is so bad, so dangerous, that there literally isn’t anything worth it.

Better to die as men than live as slaves.

#15 RGB,

Where did you find that old NASA page? That is very curious that NASA has left it up considering they now have apparently dedicated millions of dollars to help promote the ‘Climate Change’, even though just 13 years ago they were completely confident in their data showing temperatures had gone down in the last 20 years. (1977-1997).

Now NASA is re-publishing CRU data as evidence for global warming when in 1997 their satellites were showing no warming (actually cooling) in the atmosphere and they dismissed global warming models because they all would expect atmospheric warming.

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd06oct97_1.htm

Its a shame so many of the links on the old NASA site are broken, but I wonder why NASA is now using CRU data instead of data from their own satellites, and how they seem to have completely done a 180 on global warming. Something seems very suspicious.

If I found an earth scientist who lied his data, would you guys insist the earth was flat?

Yes, of course you would, if Glen Beck or Sarah Palin told you it was flat. That’s how you do.

Another sad day for “science”, but let’s not pull out the broad brush. Money plays a part in all scientific research. They have to earn a living, and science is one of the poorest paid professions compared to the knowledge base required to perform. But there are always assholes that abuse any system, and climate scientists aren’t immune. There are manipulators and profiteers at every level, like in any other organized effort to control us.

That being said, this paper and Dr Murari Lal are more examples of DISHONESTY in the reporting on AGW, plain and simple. We can only guess at all his motives… money might be one, but by his own admission it was an attempt to deceive world leaders on AGW. His source was two magazine interviews from 1999, and he didn’t even replicate over those facts correctly. Likewise, the IPCC scientists involved in publishing that 2007 report were possibly dishonest themselves, but definitely incompetent and negligent. SHAME!

I don’t know about you, but I don’t like being lied to (on top of all the other shameful IPCC club activity) on a subject as important as this.

If I may..(a cookoo for coco puffs moment)

Really now , is it not all water under the bridge?

Very soon, we will learn that all of “modern” [western] science was designed from the very start, to be fraudulent in it’s processes and outcomes…and so by extension, anything built on this foundation of “science” will be a fraud regardless if the physicist or scientists involved are pure of heart and intention.

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Lets see if i can explain this “simply”
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One more time children:

We live in an Electric Universe filled with Plasma controlled by the physics of “Spin”, Electromagnetics, Plasma, Resonance and Resonance’s good buddy, Harmonics.

In our local system, Our Electric Sun is the anode and the planets and other celestial objects, play the part of the Electrode in the “Galactic Circuit” -electrical engineers refer to our Earth as a “leaky capacitor”. “Spin”. -better known as Torsions physics.. ..and it’s Siblings, -Vortex and Implosion physics, are what makes “the world go round”

Simple, yes?

“Spin” effects *everything* including Time, Consciousness and what we think is gravity. (contrary to what we are all taught, -of course.) (I’ll even throw in a dab of Scalar wave physics for all you Tesla and Tom Bearden fans) (-in fact, we should praise Nikola Tesla 1000x more than Einstein for all his contributions to humanity. -both realized and soon to be [re]realized.

Einstein was used as a puppet by The Church, TPTB and our Government to take/make all his *worst and unproven* theories the foundation of “modern science” -and consequently keep us in a modern dark ages for 80+ years.) (As I always like to point out, -why do you are think we still using essentially unchanged, WWII V2 Rocket technology to launch stuff into space?)

(the simple answer of course, is because they use LOTS of profitable resources..look up “Operation Paperclip” to learn the “less simple answer” -and do not use Wikipedia or government sources as your source)

Consciousness, is the glue that holds it all “together”. -which also means that when we get finally get our collective heads out of our arses and “remember” how to use 100% of our brain, we will then fully Realize the phrase: “Reality is what you make it”

Given all that, it is a fact that our Weather is purely “Electric” in nature. How all those mentioned above interact, is mostly what dictates it’s behavior.

Greenhouse gasses have zero effect on our climate system relative to the effects of the aforementioned physics and phenomena.

The greenhouse gas model has FAILED to explain Venus’s hot atmosphere, [look it up] so how on Earth can it be used to even begin to explain, let alone be used as the reason behind, all the crazy weather we have been experiencing here on Earth as of late. -There is no active Volcanism on Venus either. -so please, let’s not waste any “hot air” on that argument either..

Space Weather and it’s fully “charged environment” has far more an effect on our planetary weather than any greenhouse gas could ever hope to..especially that beloved Villain, CO2. The only thing CO2 will ever have major, “visible” effects on, is the “bottom line” on Carbon Derivative traders and the NWO Globalists looking to lay waste to us all, -if we let them.

We all have been lied to for centuries. -Now, get over it and prepare for the new “reality” that is fast approaching.

-And for all the mental midgets in NASA (and elsewhere) -A comet/asteroid of sufficient size need not “Hit” our planet to wreak “the havoc of the gods” upon it..it only has to come *into* the solar system for us to begin to feel it’s effects.

If one comes into the inner solar system, it will begin to discharge The Solar capacitor to such a degree that the electromagnetic, torsional and angular harmony of the planets in our solar system will be thrown so out of whack that we will likely experience a replay of the havoc and “battle of the gods” our ancient “mythological” ancestors wrote and warned us about..when the “Goddess” Venus, -a comet, with her angel-like cometary “hair” came screaming into the inner solar system. -for which the Warrior God Mars, apparently payed a very heavy price.

The so called Mythos of the Gods were about celestial objects, not a bunch of egomaniacal men, woman or dragons spewing hellfire and bent on destruction. The Gods, were/are in fact the planets, both see and unseen.

Everything we have been taught, is backwards. -Bizarro would have been proud.

Nothing is what is seems.. Nothing is as we are taught.. Mythology is fact.

Religion is a fictional fantasy -based on those facts.

Our Reality as we know it, is fiction.. and what we have been led to believe is Fantasy, is our True Reality. We have all been taught to believe what I call: A Mirror Image of the True Reality. -And this Mirror is about to shatter.

This is why as we approach the ‘event horizon’ (the galactic plane) all the lies told of the past millenia are spilling out of every crack in the mirror

It is at this rare point in consciousness, Reality itself finally get's to reveals it's true nature..and no mortal can stop it. However, mere mortals can make you "think" -it is something "else". -as for those "higher up" -they have mastered it.

Those of Ancient, who perpetrated this lie upon Humanity's mind, are desperate to maintain their illusion, -their control over the web of lies they have spun as we cross this threshold of Reality.

For if they lose their "spin" control at this critical junction, the True Reality will be revealed to us all, allowing all of us at last, to truly be "Free Spirits" If they are able to maintain control of this false reality, -this manufactured divisional illusion embedded in our minds that we all *think* is real, then they will continue to keep us divided and with it, again be able to maintain the fake religions, resource wars and lies centuries old, -and revel in our conflictual energy for another millenia..

It really is that simple. -it always was. Stupid simple, when you think about it. That’s the [ugly for us] beauty of it all.

It is time to end this division, join together, and shatter the Mirror

There is another thing I also now fully understand that has alwaysbeen true… Like all Life in The Universe, there is one constant as it were.. That is the fact that we all were born with Free Will. So now at this critical junction, it is up to us, to you..to exercise this “Given”.

Will you finally allow yourself to be The Master of your Universe? Or instead, will you continue to allow yourself be a slave within it?

The choice apparently, has always been ours to make. All they have to do is keep us Divided. All we have to do is Unite as One. Freedom is really that simple. I say Unite.

What say You?

-s

#27, Denier,

Another sad day for “science”, but let’s not pull out the broad brush. Money plays a part in all scientific research. They have to earn a living, and science is one of the poorest paid professions compared to the knowledge base required to perform. But there are always assholes that abuse any system, and climate scientists aren’t immune. There are manipulators and profiteers at every level, like in any other organized effort to control us.

Good point. Science and scientists are not immune to errors. That is the purpose of peer review and “best science”. In this case, the error is being outed. The empirical evidence though still remains and it has not been refuted.

Professor Graham Cogley, a glacier expert at Trent University in Canada, who began to raise doubts in scientific circles last year, said the claim multiplies the rate at which glaciers have been seen to melt by a factor of about 25.

Read more: http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0djDvIPm7

The fact remains the glaciers are retreating. That has been seen worldwide. The error was to make an unsubstantiated claim about the glaciers that supply ~1 billion people with water.

What this has done is destroy at least one career. And maybe that is for the best.

#29 always find your posts fascinating, it is a very different stance than most in here.. although you go out a bit heavy, perhaps lighten it and simplify it a bit so that you don’t get comments like #30.

Electrical charges is behind the most basic “elements” of our universe.. the atoms with its protons, neutrons and electrons even to the smaller bits, such as quarks etc.. all have charges. It is the basis of reactions and the basis for magnetism, gravity, forces and as a result half-life of elements.

Few people want to see this and rather attribute changes in their environment to the “power” of people. I don’t doubt that electro-magnetic forces, solar winds, celestial bodies have a greater effect on earth than what most people would like to attribute – basic example of this is the effect of the moon on water (tides) and the size of the moon is nothing compared to the planets in our system or the potential asteroids that can pass or solar flares the size of 20-30 earths flinging out into our system.

But we also have a responsibility to clean up our act as far as pollution in our local environment – CO2 not playing a major part. Im all with #12 on this. AGW has turned into a religion rather than science.

Daily Mail strikes again. The “2035″ was actually a typo – should have read “2350″. Do your own research. (Note: Reading FoxNews does not count as “research”).

#36 Just like warmers, which have done no research whatsoever.

I suppose once all the existing research is looked at, this time through real peer reviews, we’ll find all that data these warmers are spouting as fact will indeed be shown to be nonsense.

Interesting, isn’t it, that this was one of the “data points” warmers pointed to as “proof.” Now, it’s “just because this and the dozen other things were false doesn’t mean the rest is.”

#40, Denier,

I wonder why you think that statement supports your statement, “The fact remains the glaciers are retreating.”

Several reasons. The first you posted. Your own quote (from the article) refers to the melting glaciers. The issue being the rate.

The second is found in the actual report of concern. The accompanying chart shows the Himalayan glaciers to be retreating.

The third is that glaciers have been retreating worldwide.

Since 1980, glacier retreat has become increasingly rapid and ubiquitous, and has threatened the existence of many of the glaciers of the world. This process has increased markedly since 1995.[41]

Excluding the ice caps and ice sheets of the Arctic and Antarctic, the total surface area of glaciers worldwide has decreased by 50% since the end of the 19th century.[42] Currently glacier retreat rates and mass balance losses have been increasing in the Andes, Alps, Pyrenees, Himalayas, Rocky Mountains and North Cascades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_global_warming#Glacier_retreat_and_disappearance

Again, the question is still a matter of when, not if.

…um that should have read “by a factor of 5″ OR “by 500%”. Don’t want you to think I’m dummy.

#42, Denier,

, Alarmist, I was referring to the topic at hand… that the Himalayan glaciers are not melting in any dramatic way… if at all.

Well, try this,

Lets go back to physical reality for a bit. The lapse rate is about 6.5 K per kilometer – which means, all else being equal and taking the rough with the smooth, that if you go vertically up 1 km it will get 6.5 K colder. So, again using a very broad brush, if a given patch of snow is going to just-not-melt all through the year at a given altitude, then about 200 years from now it will just-not-melt about 1 km higher up (this ignores enormous possible changes – precipitation is obviously very important, and shifts in the monsoon could have a massive effect on the glaciers – but that is yet more complexity). Since there is quite a lot of “higher up” available in the Himalayas, that pretty well guarantees there will be *some* glaciers there in 200 years time, barring absurd levels of GW. Attempting to predict more than 200 years ahead is a waste of time, so I won’t try (and I don’t say much in favour of 200, either).

http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2010/01/himalayan_glaciers_to_disappea.php

Table 10.9 of the IPCC Report shows the physical retreat of Himalayan Glaciers.
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch10s10-6-2.html

Although there are more links available, I don’t want to post them as the “spam filter” holds the post.

#46, Denier,

A glacier can move to and fro within the ‘guess’ outlined in that paragraph… 1km in 200 years.

Actually no. You miss the part about temperature declining vertically and the fact that glaciers travel almost horizontally. A glacier can travel a hundred kilometers horizontally to descend one km vertically. Of course, not all glaciers are the same, however, at lower altitudes glaciers are generally flatter.

The chart in the IPCC report is NOT contested. Those are actual measurements.

#48, denier,

Sources please.

Nothing you just posted suggests that WGII, Table 10.9 is incorrect. You are now being disingenuous. If you can’t disprove the table than STFU.

FYI, the only point of contention was the rate the glaciers were receding. The date of 2035 was shown to be completely unsubstantiated. The actual rates of receding as shown in Table 10.9 are just repeating measurements. Unless you have your measurements, …

Cogley raised a question of accuracy. He did not dispute the glaciers were receding. If you have any evidence that the glaciers in Table 10.9 are incorrect then you should post that information. They are based upon actual measurements, not prognostication.

In case you were unaware, and judging by your comments, you are, this is part of the peer review procedure. The issue being raised here were to have been reviewed according to IPCC standards. Every editor can only assume that the various authors have in fact done their homework. That this didn’t happen is a blight on all those involved in the Reports.

Those in the scientific community understand no one likes a cheater. Those involved with this misconception will have their careers very tarnished. They will not be trusted again. That, however, does not diminish the accuracy of the rest of the Reports or the work done by other scientists.

The article also editorializes that the East Anglia email theft was a tarnish. It wasn’t. No reputable scientist has offered that the ONE email claiming a “TRICK” is anything but honorable. Only ignorant wing nuts that have no concept of what it means are suggesting it is wrong.

Nothing in this article has demonstrated global warming is not an issue or that glaciers, worldwide, are not retreating.

Mr. Delusion re:The article also editorializes that the East Anglia email theft was a tarnish. It wasn’t. No reputable scientist has offered that the ONE email claiming a “TRICK” is anything but honorable.

That is just BS. There were way more than one email with questionable ethics. The one you pointed out was just given the most attention. You can easily review them by googling.

The Scientists at the heart of the ‘Climategate’ email scandal broke the law when they refused to give raw data to the public… but they are unable to lay charges because 6 months have passed. Too bad. Today’s news…

Also, I already posted the information on how the Pindari Glacier in table 10.9 is wrong. Professor Graham Cogley discovered the error (my post 48, first quoted reference. Here’s another related story.
UN climate report riddled with errors on glaciers

AND I did state my source. I said that you didn’t bother to read the article and then proceeded to quote from it.

You need to do more research, and not just the ass-kissing kind. Deny, deny, deny all you like… the situation with credibility and AGW is much worse than you pretend it is. This isn’t going away any time soon.

Mr. Delusion, re: “What I have been saying.”

Well, no it isn’t. The chart data in 10.9 remains incorrect, and you can’t admit you were wrong about that.

The story on Timesonline is repeated on a lot of other sites with various approaches. Take your pick.

You google things all the time, so by your own reckoning are you full of crap all the time?

This is going nowhere. You still think I’m a denier and I still think you are gullible (only where the IPCC and AGW is concerned, ok?).

Honestly, I can tell you are a decent guy through your other posts, as are most of the DU gang. So all jabs aside, have a good weekend.

Really.