Comments on: Man Convicted for Possessing ‘Cartoon Child Exploitation Material’ http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff Little http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1628782 Jeff Little Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:33:04 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1628782 #23.. Was a child hurt or adversely effected by this? Yes a judge #23.. Was a child hurt or adversely effected by this?

Yes a judge

]]> By: Free Spirit http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1628114 Free Spirit Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:15:32 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1628114 RBG: So you think "behaving like you might" commit a crime is itself a crime? If so, then behaving like you might behave like you might commit a crime is also a crime. And so on, until everything is a crime. A crime is a deliberate action causing or attempting to cause actual harm to a real person. Any other definition of crime is a politically-motivated fiction. Take care that your knee-jerk panic at the phrase "kiddie porn" doesn't cloud your judgement... RBG:

So you think “behaving like you might” commit a crime is itself a crime?

If so, then behaving like you might behave like you might commit a crime is also a crime. And so on, until everything is a crime.

A crime is a deliberate action causing or attempting to cause actual harm to a real person.

Any other definition of crime is a politically-motivated fiction.

Take care that your knee-jerk panic at the phrase “kiddie porn” doesn’t cloud your judgement…

]]> By: The DON http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627894 The DON Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:14:35 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627894 In the UK we have the same kind of law: An image depicting a child (or someone who appears to be under age) in a sexual context is considered pornographic and therefore illegal. It has happened in the UK where a man with real child pornographic material was also prosecuted for having an image of a young boy in his swimming trunks. This image was stored in the same place as the real porn, and when questioned, the man admitted getting sexual gratification from the picture. Despite the pic not being pornographic, he was charged for that picture being pornographic because of his admission. I think this goes a bit too far, but he was guilty anyway. In the UK we have the same kind of law:
An image depicting a child (or someone who appears to be under age) in a sexual context is considered pornographic and therefore illegal.
It has happened in the UK where a man with real child pornographic material was also prosecuted for having an image of a young boy in his swimming trunks. This image was stored in the same place as the real porn, and when questioned, the man admitted getting sexual gratification from the picture. Despite the pic not being pornographic, he was charged for that picture being pornographic because of his admission.
I think this goes a bit too far, but he was guilty anyway.

]]> By: KMFIX http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627444 KMFIX Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:23:40 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627444 #34.. I don't agree with seatbelt laws either...and that's a retarded analogy. I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore. You obviously can't think for yourself, and that's why these laws exist. #34.. I don’t agree with seatbelt laws either…and that’s a retarded analogy.

I’m not going to bother responding to you anymore. You obviously can’t think for yourself, and that’s why these laws exist.

]]> By: The0ne http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627272 The0ne Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:10:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627272 I was being sarcastic about China and India but wanted to let all know that every time I go to China for business I try my best to talk to officials (lawyers, officers, etc.) and seek non profit organizations locally (which is zilch) to see if anyone, anyone can do something about the kids being exploited...in most cases right in front of their eyes. If there is a Devil, I hope he has place for these ahole people there. I was being sarcastic about China and India but wanted to let all know that every time I go to China for business I try my best to talk to officials (lawyers, officers, etc.) and seek non profit organizations locally (which is zilch) to see if anyone, anyone can do something about the kids being exploited…in most cases right in front of their eyes.

If there is a Devil, I hope he has place for these ahole people there.

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627261 RBG Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:49:36 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627261 30 KMFIX. As absurd as requiring me to wear a seatbelt when no one can directly show how anyone was hurt when I didn't wear one last Friday. COPA: Canadian Owners and Pilots Association RBG 30 KMFIX. As absurd as requiring me to wear a seatbelt when no one can directly show how anyone was hurt when I didn’t wear one last Friday.

COPA: Canadian Owners and Pilots Association

RBG

]]> By: The0ne http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627258 The0ne Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:39:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627258 #32 COPA stands for Child OK for Porn Act. Get your facts straight. If it was a protection act, we would have seen more results! And for the rest of you sick fcks, go to China, Indai for your twisted behaviors! It's wide available there and you won't get caught! #32
COPA stands for

Child OK for Porn Act. Get your facts straight. If it was a protection act, we would have seen more results!

And for the rest of you sick fcks, go to China, Indai for your twisted behaviors! It’s wide available there and you won’t get caught!

]]> By: mylandr http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627243 mylandr Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:51:56 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627243 The "would be" U.S. version of this abomination was called COPA, the Child On-line Protection Act (of 1995, as I recall). Under COPA, any depiction of "underage" sexual behavior, even those which were implied, in ANY form whatsoever was a criminal act. The Supreme Court objected to the language used to define the criminal act as being too broad (and all-encompassing), which would make U.S. theatrical releases such as "The Blue Lagoon", "Atlantic City", "Taxi Driver", and various other more artistic films into obscenity after-the-fact. N.B., the Supremes did NOT object to the IDEAs that generated the law, just the language. The “would be” U.S. version of this abomination was called COPA, the Child On-line Protection Act (of 1995, as I recall). Under COPA, any depiction of “underage” sexual behavior, even those which were implied, in ANY form whatsoever was a criminal act. The Supreme Court objected to the language used to define the criminal act as being too broad (and all-encompassing), which would make U.S. theatrical releases such as “The Blue Lagoon”, “Atlantic City”, “Taxi Driver”, and various other more artistic films into obscenity after-the-fact. N.B., the Supremes did NOT object to the IDEAs that generated the law, just the language.

]]> By: The0ne http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627181 The0ne Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:31:20 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627181 It think it's a great thing. We should make it into a law immediately and enforced it 24/7. This way absolutely NO Japanese can reside in the US. The Anime and Manga and....everything else is a perfect example of what we, the great US, should not have around. God Bless American and it's dumbass politicians! And I'm pretty sure Seth Rogan is going to jail and hell for his Snuggles skit ><! It think it’s a great thing. We should make it into a law immediately and enforced it 24/7. This way absolutely NO Japanese can reside in the US. The Anime and Manga and….everything else is a perfect example of what we, the great US, should not have around.

God Bless American and it’s dumbass politicians! And I’m pretty sure Seth Rogan is going to jail and hell for his Snuggles skit ><!

]]> By: KMFIX http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627122 KMFIX Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:42:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627122 #28... Still didn't answer the question as you know how absurd this situation is. Yes, children are hurt every day. People are killed every day. I just saw a cartoon lighthouse keeper get his head chopped off by a laser in a BBC report. Does that mean I'm going to go and kill lighthouse keepers? Should I now have to report to the police department every time I move to let them know where I'm now located because I saw a cartoon lighthouse keeper get his head cut off with a laser in a BBC report, so I'm most likely going to kill the local lighthouse keeper (if there is one)?? #28… Still didn’t answer the question as you know how absurd this situation is.

Yes, children are hurt every day. People are killed every day. I just saw a cartoon lighthouse keeper get his head chopped off by a laser in a BBC report. Does that mean I’m going to go and kill lighthouse keepers?

Should I now have to report to the police department every time I move to let them know where I’m now located because I saw a cartoon lighthouse keeper get his head cut off with a laser in a BBC report, so I’m most likely going to kill the local lighthouse keeper (if there is one)??

]]> By: Uncle Patso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627116 Uncle Patso Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:45:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627116 The way it was explained to me once was that if you draw a dot on a piece of paper and say that it represents someone underage having sex, then you can be arrested and charged. --- The recycle bin, how stupidly embarrassing! The way it was explained to me once was that if you draw a dot on a piece of paper and say that it represents someone underage having sex, then you can be arrested and charged.

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The recycle bin, how stupidly embarrassing!

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627090 RBG Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:45:02 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627090 27 Animby: And all court judges and juries must be RC too when they must rule on the intent of an accused. 25 KNFIX: Children are hurt every day by pedophiles trying to get their fix. Look at #24 June already trying to justify child porn. Next he'll be excusing it because it was made outside US jurisdiction. RBG 27 Animby: And all court judges and juries must be RC too when they must rule on the intent of an accused.

25 KNFIX: Children are hurt every day by pedophiles trying to get their fix. Look at #24 June already trying to justify child porn. Next he’ll be excusing it because it was made outside US jurisdiction.

RBG

]]> By: Animby http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627079 Animby Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:12:05 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627079 # 23 RBG said, "Many crimes simply depend upon intellectual intent." You must be Roman Catholic. You don't have to commit the sin, you merely have to THINK about doing it. Too late. You're damned. # 23 RBG said, “Many crimes simply depend upon intellectual intent.”

You must be Roman Catholic. You don’t have to commit the sin, you merely have to THINK about doing it. Too late. You’re damned.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627075 deowll Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:56:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627075 #17 The courts struck it down because the law said that _any_ image of someone less than 18 or who appeared to be less than 18 could be used as justification to charge the person with child pornography cartoon and fantasy characters included. All they had to do was claim that you felt lust due to the image. I think the cartoon part is still standing but I'm not sure. I think they just refined it to limit it to more or less nude images or sexually suggestive images. Not sure about the true legal status of Madonna and child pictures. #17 The courts struck it down because the law said that _any_ image of someone less than 18 or who appeared to be less than 18 could be used as justification to charge the person with child pornography cartoon and fantasy characters included. All they had to do was claim that you felt lust due to the image.

I think the cartoon part is still standing but I’m not sure. I think they just refined it to limit it to more or less nude images or sexually suggestive images. Not sure about the true legal status of Madonna and child pictures.

]]> By: KMFIX http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/28/man-convicted-for-possessing-cartoon-child-exploitation-material/comment-page-2/#comment-1627050 KMFIX Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:43:19 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68026#comment-1627050 #23.. Was a child hurt or adversely effected by this? #23.. Was a child hurt or adversely effected by this?

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