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		<title>By: psychosus</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/31/what-do-people-vote-against-their-own-interests/comment-page-4/#comment-1683358</link>
		<dc:creator>psychosus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear that American politics have it the wrong way round - the rich and priviledged are supposed to be right-wing (business men and fascists).  The under-priviledged working man is left wing (labour and communists).

Yet somehow in America the low class working man typically votes right-wing Republican and sees the left-wing Democrats as &quot;the elected privileged class&quot; (quoting #15).

This means that the hard-working poor American ends up voting for the rich Republican businessmen rulers who screw them over rigidly - and they love them for it.  Its absolutely psychotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear that American politics have it the wrong way round &#8211; the rich and priviledged are supposed to be right-wing (business men and fascists).  The under-priviledged working man is left wing (labour and communists).</p>
<p>Yet somehow in America the low class working man typically votes right-wing Republican and sees the left-wing Democrats as &#8220;the elected privileged class&#8221; (quoting #15).</p>
<p>This means that the hard-working poor American ends up voting for the rich Republican businessmen rulers who screw them over rigidly &#8211; and they love them for it.  Its absolutely psychotic.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#69, That&#039;s your fear talking.  Just because I don&#039;t want to be TOLD to be charitable, doesn&#039;t mean I am not charitable.

I give to charities all the time.  I donate, on average, a full day each week to charities.

Is that not enough for you?  How much of my time do you think I should donate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#69, That&#8217;s your fear talking.  Just because I don&#8217;t want to be TOLD to be charitable, doesn&#8217;t mean I am not charitable.</p>
<p>I give to charities all the time.  I donate, on average, a full day each week to charities.</p>
<p>Is that not enough for you?  How much of my time do you think I should donate?</p>
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		<title>By: GetSmart</title>
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		<dc:creator>GetSmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, &quot;Fuck you, I got mine.&quot; is the &quot;Conservative&quot; position. What you guys don&#039;t get, (Hey, denial is a symptom, too!) is that just because you &quot;got yours&quot; today is no guarantee that you are going to have it tomorrow.
Our owners will feed you or me  to the wolves just a quick as they would any homeless person.
They don&#039;t see any difference between you and any other crackhead. The delusion that you are any &quot;better&quot; is all in your head, the owners don&#039;t see it that way. Just another chicken hanging upside down by it&#039;s feet as the conveyor feeds you into the machinery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, &#8220;Fuck you, I got mine.&#8221; is the &#8220;Conservative&#8221; position. What you guys don&#8217;t get, (Hey, denial is a symptom, too!) is that just because you &#8220;got yours&#8221; today is no guarantee that you are going to have it tomorrow.<br />
Our owners will feed you or me  to the wolves just a quick as they would any homeless person.<br />
They don&#8217;t see any difference between you and any other crackhead. The delusion that you are any &#8220;better&#8221; is all in your head, the owners don&#8217;t see it that way. Just another chicken hanging upside down by it&#8217;s feet as the conveyor feeds you into the machinery.</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#67, &lt;i&gt;and how foolish of me to think about trying to help out the poor and downtrodden. Now I see the error of my ways!&lt;/i&gt;

No one is telling you that you can&#039;t do that.

What we are telling you is you don&#039;t have the right to tell us to do that.

You honestly can&#039;t see the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#67, <i>and how foolish of me to think about trying to help out the poor and downtrodden. Now I see the error of my ways!</i></p>
<p>No one is telling you that you can&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>What we are telling you is you don&#8217;t have the right to tell us to do that.</p>
<p>You honestly can&#8217;t see the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 15 Eyelid Stuck In The Bench Vise - Again...:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I thought this was satire at first. It’s actually a great insight in how Libs think. This guy starts from the false premise that Dems base their arguments on facts, when in fact the opposite is true. I figured out 15 years ago that Dems arguements on emotion instead of facts. Everything is about “fairness”. “We have to do this for the children”. “Millions will die if we dont…” Etc. blah, blah.

Then they use their emotional argument to justify harming individuals for the good of the collective. They see all of society as two groups: the elected privileged class and unwashed masses that must be taken care of. They’re completely against individual empowerment, so of course, anyone voting in their own best interests would vote against most Democrats.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, thanks for telling me about myself. Gee, I didn&#039;t know all that stuff about how I think in lies and want to harm all individuals, and how foolish of me to think about trying to help out the poor and downtrodden. Now I see the error of my ways! I must instead dedicate myself to further enriching the elite, whose grand-daddies, the robber barons, enslaved thousands and robbed tens of thousands more!

Now turn off your computers, everyone, and get to work! Mrs. Mellon needs another foot rub &amp; Mr. Scaife needs his #7 yacht polished!

 = = = = =

# 21 Greg Allen:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Reagan sure proved this headline true, as I remember that time.

When they polled people about Reagan’s ACTIONS and POLICIES, it was negative.

But Americans still loved the man and conservatives worshipped him — it was a strictly emotional loyalty to the leader.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Readers of Asimov&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Foundation&lt;/i&gt; series will recognize what I mean when I say Reagan was like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_%28Foundation%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Mule&lt;/a&gt;.

 = = = = =

# 23 dusanmal:
&quot;Typical liberal misconception that majority of people are stupid.&quot;

Well, don&#039;t forget: fully _half_ of them are &lt;b&gt;below average&lt;/b&gt;...

 = = = = =

Then # 43 Traaxx burst in and stated anyone who ever voted for a &quot;Progressive/Commie&quot; is as guilty of the murders of millions as &quot;Stalin/Mao/Idi Amin/Pol Pot and Hitler.&quot; 

Wow. First, let me just yell &quot;GODWIN!!!&quot; Then let me just stand in awe of the extreme bitterness and add a [Citation Needed], and mention that he forgot to drag in ACORN and SEIU.

 = = = = =

# 47 deowll:
&quot;... My numbers say the US is on the way down as a leader of nations and economic power house.

The liberals say this _can’t_ happen[...]&quot;

I disagree with your assertion. As a confirmed liberal myself I have seen it already starting to happen. In fact, I have known liberals who thought it was a good idea. &lt;b&gt;Those&lt;/b&gt; are the ones I consider too far left...

 = = = = =

# 54 MikeN:
&quot;...Obama himself admits that you won’t be able to keep your current plan...&quot; [Citation Needed]

#55 pedro:
&quot;...And you actually believe the WHO?[...]&quot; 

Them collidge boiz think ther SO smart...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 15 Eyelid Stuck In The Bench Vise &#8211; Again&#8230;:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I thought this was satire at first. It’s actually a great insight in how Libs think. This guy starts from the false premise that Dems base their arguments on facts, when in fact the opposite is true. I figured out 15 years ago that Dems arguements on emotion instead of facts. Everything is about “fairness”. “We have to do this for the children”. “Millions will die if we dont…” Etc. blah, blah.</p>
<p>Then they use their emotional argument to justify harming individuals for the good of the collective. They see all of society as two groups: the elected privileged class and unwashed masses that must be taken care of. They’re completely against individual empowerment, so of course, anyone voting in their own best interests would vote against most Democrats.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, thanks for telling me about myself. Gee, I didn&#8217;t know all that stuff about how I think in lies and want to harm all individuals, and how foolish of me to think about trying to help out the poor and downtrodden. Now I see the error of my ways! I must instead dedicate myself to further enriching the elite, whose grand-daddies, the robber barons, enslaved thousands and robbed tens of thousands more!</p>
<p>Now turn off your computers, everyone, and get to work! Mrs. Mellon needs another foot rub &amp; Mr. Scaife needs his #7 yacht polished!</p>
<p> = = = = =</p>
<p># 21 Greg Allen:</p>
<blockquote><p>Reagan sure proved this headline true, as I remember that time.</p>
<p>When they polled people about Reagan’s ACTIONS and POLICIES, it was negative.</p>
<p>But Americans still loved the man and conservatives worshipped him — it was a strictly emotional loyalty to the leader.</p></blockquote>
<p>Readers of Asimov&#8217;s <i>Foundation</i> series will recognize what I mean when I say Reagan was like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_%28Foundation%29" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Mule</a>.</p>
<p> = = = = =</p>
<p># 23 dusanmal:<br />
&#8220;Typical liberal misconception that majority of people are stupid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, don&#8217;t forget: fully _half_ of them are <b>below average</b>&#8230;</p>
<p> = = = = =</p>
<p>Then # 43 Traaxx burst in and stated anyone who ever voted for a &#8220;Progressive/Commie&#8221; is as guilty of the murders of millions as &#8220;Stalin/Mao/Idi Amin/Pol Pot and Hitler.&#8221; </p>
<p>Wow. First, let me just yell &#8220;GODWIN!!!&#8221; Then let me just stand in awe of the extreme bitterness and add a [Citation Needed], and mention that he forgot to drag in ACORN and SEIU.</p>
<p> = = = = =</p>
<p># 47 deowll:<br />
&#8220;&#8230; My numbers say the US is on the way down as a leader of nations and economic power house.</p>
<p>The liberals say this _can’t_ happen[...]&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree with your assertion. As a confirmed liberal myself I have seen it already starting to happen. In fact, I have known liberals who thought it was a good idea. <b>Those</b> are the ones I consider too far left&#8230;</p>
<p> = = = = =</p>
<p># 54 MikeN:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Obama himself admits that you won’t be able to keep your current plan&#8230;&#8221; [Citation Needed]</p>
<p>#55 pedro:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;And you actually believe the WHO?[...]&#8221; </p>
<p>Them collidge boiz think ther SO smart&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sheepdog</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/31/what-do-people-vote-against-their-own-interests/comment-page-4/#comment-1628477</link>
		<dc:creator>sheepdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the pedal to the floor and my life is running faster.  The sheep have poor foot coordination. Recall the Audi. The pedals confused the sheep.  The toughest part to replace is the nut behind the wheel.  Toyota thinks they have a fix.   Nobody  seems 100% sure.   &quot;Nov 2, 2009 ... Toyota says stuck accelerator problem entirely due to floor-mat jams&quot;.   Now it&#039;s something else or maybe the computer.  The Audi was a mystery and I  believe they discovered the sheep were mashing the wrong pedal.  Keep flirtin&#039; with disaster guys. I&#039;m going down this lonesome road, feel like I&#039;m  carrying a heavy load.  You can&#039;t  tell   what  will go wrong next.  Security problems are human problems,  not technical problems. It  looks like a rare problem.  Throw it into neutral.  The sheep would need to think fast.

Thus there is a paradox, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;u&gt;we must grasp both ends of the situation&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the pedal to the floor and my life is running faster.  The sheep have poor foot coordination. Recall the Audi. The pedals confused the sheep.  The toughest part to replace is the nut behind the wheel.  Toyota thinks they have a fix.   Nobody  seems 100% sure.   &#8220;Nov 2, 2009 &#8230; Toyota says stuck accelerator problem entirely due to floor-mat jams&#8221;.   Now it&#8217;s something else or maybe the computer.  The Audi was a mystery and I  believe they discovered the sheep were mashing the wrong pedal.  Keep flirtin&#8217; with disaster guys. I&#8217;m going down this lonesome road, feel like I&#8217;m  carrying a heavy load.  You can&#8217;t  tell   what  will go wrong next.  Security problems are human problems,  not technical problems. It  looks like a rare problem.  Throw it into neutral.  The sheep would need to think fast.</p>
<p>Thus there is a paradox, and <a href="http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><u>we must grasp both ends of the situation</u></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rectal Dysfunction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rectal Dysfunction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cities are corporations.  If you are proposing banning cities, you have my interest.  It&#039;s much harder to be an anonymous, useless welfare slug in a town than in a city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cities are corporations.  If you are proposing banning cities, you have my interest.  It&#8217;s much harder to be an anonymous, useless welfare slug in a town than in a city.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GLennE you should consider looking up some facts about the Supreme Court case.  They didn&#039;t overturn a hundred years of precedent.  The government didn&#039;t even consider those to be the relevant cases as precedent for this case, and didn&#039;t defend along those lines.

Or perhaps you can just go on acting like Alec Baldwin in Team America,&quot;THe big corporations..they are corporatey&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GLennE you should consider looking up some facts about the Supreme Court case.  They didn&#8217;t overturn a hundred years of precedent.  The government didn&#8217;t even consider those to be the relevant cases as precedent for this case, and didn&#8217;t defend along those lines.</p>
<p>Or perhaps you can just go on acting like Alec Baldwin in Team America,&#8221;THe big corporations..they are corporatey&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#56 That piece of news is everywhere. Is not an exclusive nor an editorial from the Washington Examiner, dumb sheeple!

And who the hell believes a word from the WHO. Weren&#039;t they who claimed that we needed big pharma to avoid dying a painful death from h1n1?

Poor sheeple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56 That piece of news is everywhere. Is not an exclusive nor an editorial from the Washington Examiner, dumb sheeple!</p>
<p>And who the hell believes a word from the WHO. Weren&#8217;t they who claimed that we needed big pharma to avoid dying a painful death from h1n1?</p>
<p>Poor sheeple!</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will decide for myself what my self-interests are when I vote, thank you very much.  That is why everyone has the opportunity to vote.  Does the author think things would be better if we all sent our proxies to some organization, such as ACORN, who can determine our self interests for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will decide for myself what my self-interests are when I vote, thank you very much.  That is why everyone has the opportunity to vote.  Does the author think things would be better if we all sent our proxies to some organization, such as ACORN, who can determine our self interests for us?</p>
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		<title>By: LibertyLover</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibertyLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#60, &lt;i&gt;Well, then maybe you should have a Police Dept. Corporation, a Fire Dept. Corporation, and a Water Works and Sewage Corporation. And then see just how quickly all of your municipal services GO TO HELL, when some for-profit corporations take over.&lt;/i&gt;

You are missing the big picture here.  These are all local entities, or at worst, state entities.  They are not national organizations.

What works at the local level has never, not once, ever worked at the national level without cause more grief and suffering.

Besides, it&#039;s not in the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#60, <i>Well, then maybe you should have a Police Dept. Corporation, a Fire Dept. Corporation, and a Water Works and Sewage Corporation. And then see just how quickly all of your municipal services GO TO HELL, when some for-profit corporations take over.</i></p>
<p>You are missing the big picture here.  These are all local entities, or at worst, state entities.  They are not national organizations.</p>
<p>What works at the local level has never, not once, ever worked at the national level without cause more grief and suffering.</p>
<p>Besides, it&#8217;s not in the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think being anti-corporation, in America, is somehow an evil idea. Well, then maybe you should have a Police Dept. Corporation, a Fire Dept. Corporation, and a Water Works and Sewage Corporation. And then see just how quickly all of your municipal services GO TO HELL, when some for-profit corporations take over. Proper Health Care isn&#039;t a luxury, like Auto Care, or Home Improvement (except for those who want dozens of cosmetic beauty operations). So what health care you get, how good it is, and how much it should cost you, shouldn&#039;t be at the whim of some corporate board of tyrants.

We probably won&#039;t get all the corporate interests out of America. But we could at least get them out of Health Care. Where does it say in the Constitution that any of these corporations are guaranteed a permanent existence? Corporations and businesses have failed all on their own (like Enron). So where does it say they must suffer a &quot;natural&quot; death? Rather than being dissolved in the public interest. The abolition of the business of slavery, should be a sufficient example of the contrary. So when is decent health care going to be treated as a human rights issue? How is it NOT a human rights issue?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think being anti-corporation, in America, is somehow an evil idea. Well, then maybe you should have a Police Dept. Corporation, a Fire Dept. Corporation, and a Water Works and Sewage Corporation. And then see just how quickly all of your municipal services GO TO HELL, when some for-profit corporations take over. Proper Health Care isn&#8217;t a luxury, like Auto Care, or Home Improvement (except for those who want dozens of cosmetic beauty operations). So what health care you get, how good it is, and how much it should cost you, shouldn&#8217;t be at the whim of some corporate board of tyrants.</p>
<p>We probably won&#8217;t get all the corporate interests out of America. But we could at least get them out of Health Care. Where does it say in the Constitution that any of these corporations are guaranteed a permanent existence? Corporations and businesses have failed all on their own (like Enron). So where does it say they must suffer a &#8220;natural&#8221; death? Rather than being dissolved in the public interest. The abolition of the business of slavery, should be a sufficient example of the contrary. So when is decent health care going to be treated as a human rights issue? How is it NOT a human rights issue?!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be no such thing as a health care CORPORATION. Or health insurance corporations. We&#039;ve had huge banking corporations, muscle out our local town banks. And look what that got us. A thoroughly screwed up economy. The bigger the corporation, the less it has to care about serving the individual, to survive. And if it becomes &quot;too big to fail&quot;, the government will step in to save it, whenever it falters. The blight (or curse) of the &quot;TRUSTS&quot;, that was temporarily suppressed a century ago, was once more reasserted its corrupting influence in government and politics. Making sure, this time, that no stone is left unturned in both government and media, in biasing every view it&#039;s way.

There is no REAL reform taking place in the US Congress. Only a &quot;dinner bell&quot; ringing for the health care lobbyists to come a callin. And ply the politicians with plenty of cash and favors (post term jobs). Congress terms these &quot;money committees&quot;, because they expect to be paid handsomely by the lobbyists of these big corporations, to obfuscate and confuse the issues they&#039;re voting on.

Someone said that the latest US Supreme Court decision will expose the influence of big corporations, lobbying the government. But that&#039;s assuming the new media, heavily controlled by these same corporations, will even bother reporting it. If anything, this decision shows they&#039;re no longer worried too much about the occasional &quot;exposure&quot; they might get, by the media they own or control.

The Supreme Court decision merely gets the politicians off the hook, for accepting lobbyists dollars, over their voters&#039; interests. They can no longer be accused of violating their oath of office, since Corporations are now, JUST LIKE PEOPLE. Only with more wealth, than the Kings of old.

Welcome to the United Corporations of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be no such thing as a health care CORPORATION. Or health insurance corporations. We&#8217;ve had huge banking corporations, muscle out our local town banks. And look what that got us. A thoroughly screwed up economy. The bigger the corporation, the less it has to care about serving the individual, to survive. And if it becomes &#8220;too big to fail&#8221;, the government will step in to save it, whenever it falters. The blight (or curse) of the &#8220;TRUSTS&#8221;, that was temporarily suppressed a century ago, was once more reasserted its corrupting influence in government and politics. Making sure, this time, that no stone is left unturned in both government and media, in biasing every view it&#8217;s way.</p>
<p>There is no REAL reform taking place in the US Congress. Only a &#8220;dinner bell&#8221; ringing for the health care lobbyists to come a callin. And ply the politicians with plenty of cash and favors (post term jobs). Congress terms these &#8220;money committees&#8221;, because they expect to be paid handsomely by the lobbyists of these big corporations, to obfuscate and confuse the issues they&#8217;re voting on.</p>
<p>Someone said that the latest US Supreme Court decision will expose the influence of big corporations, lobbying the government. But that&#8217;s assuming the new media, heavily controlled by these same corporations, will even bother reporting it. If anything, this decision shows they&#8217;re no longer worried too much about the occasional &#8220;exposure&#8221; they might get, by the media they own or control.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court decision merely gets the politicians off the hook, for accepting lobbyists dollars, over their voters&#8217; interests. They can no longer be accused of violating their oath of office, since Corporations are now, JUST LIKE PEOPLE. Only with more wealth, than the Kings of old.</p>
<p>Welcome to the United Corporations of America.</p>
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		<title>By: ggore</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/31/what-do-people-vote-against-their-own-interests/comment-page-3/#comment-1628270</link>
		<dc:creator>ggore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important paragraph in the article, and the one conveniently ignored by all the anti-Obama critics on here is the following:

&quot;Obama&#039;s administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans&#039; Depression, caused by the Bush administration&#039;s ideology of unregulated greed.

It relates to absolute fact and cannot be disputed.  Obama has finally realized this and used it in the State of the Union address and at the Question Time event with the House Republicans the next day, an event that has conveniently been ignored by Dvorak Uncensored and interestingly was carried by Fox News until they pulled the plug when it became apparent that Obama was killing them with facts.   

The evidence:  The unregulated and previously illegal until the Bush administration banking industry practice of credit default swaps, which was essentially gambling on whether or not unqualified home loans for inflated $500,000 houses to people earning $4/hour would be paid off or not with no financial reserves required to be kept in case those loans were not paid off, which almost brought on a world-wide economic collapse.  

The run-up in oil prices by unregulated speculators despite dropping demand and increasing supply at the time that did not support a run-up, that destroyed the auto industry and required the bailouts to protect millions of auto industry and related supplier jobs that would have thrown the country into an even worse depression. 

If the Republicans have all these ideas on how to fix what even they themselves say is a broken health care system, then where were these ideas during the Bush administration?  Why weren&#039;t they brought up then?  They had the Presidency and Congress, so why didn&#039;t they even bring up the subject?  Even once?  &quot;Unregulated greed&quot; again, they just let the unregulated insurance companies with their internal hidden &quot;death panels&quot; deciding whether or not you were worth insuring or keeping on their insurance rolls once you got sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important paragraph in the article, and the one conveniently ignored by all the anti-Obama critics on here is the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama&#8217;s administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans&#8217; Depression, caused by the Bush administration&#8217;s ideology of unregulated greed.</p>
<p>It relates to absolute fact and cannot be disputed.  Obama has finally realized this and used it in the State of the Union address and at the Question Time event with the House Republicans the next day, an event that has conveniently been ignored by Dvorak Uncensored and interestingly was carried by Fox News until they pulled the plug when it became apparent that Obama was killing them with facts.   </p>
<p>The evidence:  The unregulated and previously illegal until the Bush administration banking industry practice of credit default swaps, which was essentially gambling on whether or not unqualified home loans for inflated $500,000 houses to people earning $4/hour would be paid off or not with no financial reserves required to be kept in case those loans were not paid off, which almost brought on a world-wide economic collapse.  </p>
<p>The run-up in oil prices by unregulated speculators despite dropping demand and increasing supply at the time that did not support a run-up, that destroyed the auto industry and required the bailouts to protect millions of auto industry and related supplier jobs that would have thrown the country into an even worse depression. </p>
<p>If the Republicans have all these ideas on how to fix what even they themselves say is a broken health care system, then where were these ideas during the Bush administration?  Why weren&#8217;t they brought up then?  They had the Presidency and Congress, so why didn&#8217;t they even bring up the subject?  Even once?  &#8220;Unregulated greed&#8221; again, they just let the unregulated insurance companies with their internal hidden &#8220;death panels&#8221; deciding whether or not you were worth insuring or keeping on their insurance rolls once you got sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E.</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/01/31/what-do-people-vote-against-their-own-interests/comment-page-3/#comment-1628269</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basic argument of the article, missing something vital. The US system of elected representatives, was designed (or intended) to provide better educated men to examine these issues, and see past or around all the emotional rhetoric, and vote in the common interest of all. However, it depended (heavily) on such representatives being honest, and uncorrupted, for the most part. It was the formation of the corporations, that spelled an end to that. In fact I believe that was their sole purpose for existing. To use their amassed money and power to get whatever they wanted, via the government. The Founding Father never foresaw merchants becoming as powerful as foreign nation states. Nor as rich as Kings. So it was assumed that such corrupting influences would never be the rule, only the exception. And also that informative media, wouldn&#039;t be the plaything of such powerful entities, who would bias all views to their own. Americans tend to believe that some source, most be telling them the truth. When in fact, very likely NONE are, any longer. And this only serve to make our corrupted representatives&#039; job easier. By allowing them to vote the way the corporations want them to, on issues carefully crafted by their spin-masters.

And just recently, the US Supreme Court proved they too came be just as much a tool of corporate interests. By changing the rules to benefit the most moneyed interests. Apparently the devaluation of the US currency has the politicos worried. So they&#039;ve cleared the way for big corporations to buy their souls, at the highest price, without the century old limitations getting in the way. What&#039;s next? Will the court decide it&#039;s OK for corporations to deal in human slaves, as payment to political parties. Why not reverse all common decency and human rights, to benefit the rich?

When the US&#039;s own Supreme Court, bows its head to Mammon. Then the end can&#039;t be too far off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic argument of the article, missing something vital. The US system of elected representatives, was designed (or intended) to provide better educated men to examine these issues, and see past or around all the emotional rhetoric, and vote in the common interest of all. However, it depended (heavily) on such representatives being honest, and uncorrupted, for the most part. It was the formation of the corporations, that spelled an end to that. In fact I believe that was their sole purpose for existing. To use their amassed money and power to get whatever they wanted, via the government. The Founding Father never foresaw merchants becoming as powerful as foreign nation states. Nor as rich as Kings. So it was assumed that such corrupting influences would never be the rule, only the exception. And also that informative media, wouldn&#8217;t be the plaything of such powerful entities, who would bias all views to their own. Americans tend to believe that some source, most be telling them the truth. When in fact, very likely NONE are, any longer. And this only serve to make our corrupted representatives&#8217; job easier. By allowing them to vote the way the corporations want them to, on issues carefully crafted by their spin-masters.</p>
<p>And just recently, the US Supreme Court proved they too came be just as much a tool of corporate interests. By changing the rules to benefit the most moneyed interests. Apparently the devaluation of the US currency has the politicos worried. So they&#8217;ve cleared the way for big corporations to buy their souls, at the highest price, without the century old limitations getting in the way. What&#8217;s next? Will the court decide it&#8217;s OK for corporations to deal in human slaves, as payment to political parties. Why not reverse all common decency and human rights, to benefit the rich?</p>
<p>When the US&#8217;s own Supreme Court, bows its head to Mammon. Then the end can&#8217;t be too far off.</p>
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